# Civilization 4 or 5... which do you prefer? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 12, 2012, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilization-4-or-5-which-do-you-prefer/609246 "2012-01-12T02:01:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2012, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilization-4-or-5-which-do-you-prefer/609246/41 "2012-01-13T17:06:14Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > The other is “[Baba Yetu](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJiHDmyhE1A)”, the best damn piece of video game music ever written. Everytime I hear that song I sing [THIS](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL6wlTDPiPU) to myself. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2012, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilization-4-or-5-which-do-you-prefer/609246/42 "2012-01-13T17:12:37Z")
> [@bouv](#): > > There was Civilization: Call to Power and it’s sequel, just called Call to Power II, because Activision got sued for using the Civilization title. So when Civ III came out, people were so relieved to have something that was _real_ Civilization, that we were all happy. I so wish the “main” Civ line would get one thing, just one thing from CTP: the public works budget. Seriously, screw Workers. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2012, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilization-4-or-5-which-do-you-prefer/609246/43 "2012-01-13T18:12:15Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > That’s odd, because no one likes 3. I loved 3. Every Civ has been a masterpeice. ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2012, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilization-4-or-5-which-do-you-prefer/609246/44 "2012-01-13T19:02:29Z")
> [@erislover](#): > > A game of Civilization Revolution is maybe two to three hours. It’s perfect for me, who has the same problem with Civ on the PC. Yes I also would like a smaller Civ game which could be completed in a few hours. I wish they would release Civ Rev for the PC though since I don’t have any of the devices on which it’s been released. Maybe they will release it for Android sometime. My phone: [the Galaxy Note](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_Note) has a 5.3 inch screen and is great for strategy games. I have read that Freeciv has been ported to Android; maybe I will give that a go sometime. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2012, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilization-4-or-5-which-do-you-prefer/609246/45 "2012-01-13T20:32:18Z")
I was a big fan of III, as well. It had its flaws, but the addition of strategic/luxury resources and national borders was a huge improvement. The one thing I really miss in V is the lack of border influence. I loved building up a huge culture-producing city on my borders, and having it gradually eat up my neighbors territory and, eventually, their cities. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_the\_Immortal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@Max\_the\_Immortal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_the_Immortal)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2012, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilization-4-or-5-which-do-you-prefer/609246/46 "2012-01-13T20:42:00Z")
I still think that the next Civ game should take a page from the Total War series in terms of implementing religion. Each faction has a state religion, and each province/city has a percentage breakdown of religious adherents. The more non-state religion worshipers in a territory, the harder it is to maintain order. This penalty can be reduced with technology (in Empire, it’s Secular Humanism). Building churches/mosques/temples and recruiting missionaries helps spread your state religion (and buildings provide happiness to people of their corresponding religion). I think that this mechanic could mesh really well with Civ IV style religion civics. ---
**Author:** ![Winnowill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/4491bb/32.png) [@Winnowill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winnowill)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2012, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilization-4-or-5-which-do-you-prefer/609246/47 "2012-01-13T22:53:36Z")
I have all of them. A few months ago, I found [_Civilization: Chronicles_](http://www.amazon.com/Sid-Meiers-Civilization-Chronicles-Pc/dp/B000IU1PQA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1326494791&sr=8-1) cheap on eBay and picked it up. It has everything up through Civ IV, including the expansion packs for II and III. I’d completely forgotten how gameplay went on Civ II (and it’s kind of tough to play because it was designed for a tiny-resolution monitor so it appears in a tiny little window). I also have V - I attempted one game, and it’s still in the works - never finished it. Partly because I guess I have to be a responsible adult now, and partly because it just didn’t grab me. Of IV, which I got the day it came out, I’ve finished maybe three or four games. It didn’t grab me, either. Of III - tons and tons of them. It’s still my preferred “Go-To” version of the game. Then again, I don’t care for MultiPlayer, and I don’t usually go for the expansion packs, either. Right out of the box, the original III was my game. ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2012, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilization-4-or-5-which-do-you-prefer/609246/48 "2012-01-14T19:38:20Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > I so wish the “main” Civ line would get one thing, just one thing from CTP: the public works budget. Seriously, screw Workers. YES! Dear God, I hated having to have all those vulnerable workers around, and _every turn_ having to waste so much time telling each one what to do. I also liked the _idea_ of going into the future with technology, units, improvements, etc (rather than just 'Future Technology I, II, etc…)… but CTP failed by making them a little too off-the-wall. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2012, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilization-4-or-5-which-do-you-prefer/609246/49 "2012-01-14T19:45:12Z")
I got Civ 5 at the tail end of last year (thanks again to everyone who participated in the Steam sale thread!), and so far I’ having a blast with it. It’s a little less intricate than previous incarnations, but overall it’s still a ton of fun. I turn off all Victory conditions other than World Domination, use the biggest map possible, up the # of city states to max and just go at it. I’m about halfway to a win on Prince level, kind of as a learning game, but I’m sure I can win at King level next game. Every time I win I ramp up the difficulty one notch, so this will take me a few months before I start in with smaller maps and more limited scenarios. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilization-4-or-5-which-do-you-prefer/609246.md?page=2)