# Clarification Inside: Clearing the air and revealing PMs **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 17, 2009, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452 "2009-09-17T15:14:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![DudleyGarrett](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d9b06d/32.png) [@DudleyGarrett](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DudleyGarrett)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/1 "2009-09-17T15:14:19Z")
First and foremost, let me just say that these are the facts of what happened, including the contents of all PMs. There is no embellishment. Just clearing the air. The steps are in chronological order. If you don’t care about this, I can appreciate that… why you would, I have no idea. 1. I post the stupid joke list to MPSIMS. 2. **Oakminster** calls it plagiarism. 3. Instead of being public about it, I sent him a obscenity-laden PM. Because frankly, it pissed me off but I didn’t want it to be a public spectacle. 4. I then see that **twickster** edited my original posting in the thread citing plagiarism and the thread was locked. No warning was issued at this point. I sent her a PM: > [@](#): > > I never claimed it to be mine. And I can’t really find a citation to it. > > Jeez, someone posted it to their Facebook page and I thought it was funny so I shared. > > Wow. 1. At the time I was writing this PM to her, the initial warning was issued. 2. **twickster** responded to me: > [@](#): > > If you don’t state that it’s someone else’s work, you’re implying that it’s your own. Sorry, but this isn’t okay. 1. At this point, I responded to the warning with “Shove it up your ass.” I’ll tell you why: I took her PM in #6 to say, “Shove your justification up your ass.” I chose to respond in kind, perhaps a little less eloquently. 2. Figuring I was going to be banned anyway, I changed my e-mail address so something like “[admin@sdmb.com](mailto:admin@sdmb.com)” because I didn’t want the world having my e-mail address. I didn’t re-verify the e-mail address. 3. I then couldn’t post, send or receive PMs from regular users. I also couldn’t look up user contact information. But I could read everything, including PMs received from staff. I thought I was suspended or banned and didn’t think the e-mail change would cause this behavior. 4. I then received the PM from **TubaDiva** : > [@](#): > > Before you got ugly in that PM with **twickster** she was going to rescind your warning – she was a tad too harsh to you but she didn’t fully understand the situation until after she had talked with the rest of us – however, since you chose to get nasty to her as she was doing her job here, that’s an offense that DOES merit a warning. > > Wish you hadn’t done this. Twix was on her way to talk to you about it some more but she says you’ve blocked her PMs. That’s a shame too. > > Didn’t have to be this way, any of it. It’s quite unfortunate. > > Jenny > Administrator Thankfully, I remembered **TubaDiva** ’s e-mail address and we have a pleasant e-mail conversation over a two-day span that didn’t really amount to much in way of equitable resolution as far as I can tell. 1. Then I find out that the initial warning was reversed and a new one is in its place. I received this warning from **twickster**. So, contradictory to what she told **TubaDiva** , she could send me PMs. Since then, everything was public. Needless to say, this isn’t the message board for me. I’ve asked **TubaDiva** to close my account because I don’t want to be tempted to post here. I certainly need to find something else to occupy my time. Anyway, she politely refused. Well, take care all. (By the way, Bryan Ekers, you’re really witty and intelligent, to go through the entire list to tell everyone how unfunny it is – I appreciate that. You’re officially the Champion of Humor and your post reminded me that I’m in the wrong place. Why someone would go through that much effort to insult someone who they’ve really had ZERO contact with, I really have no idea. Seriously, thanks for that reminder) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/2 "2009-09-17T15:33:03Z")
I was thinking just the other day that this issue needed yet another thread. Look, Dud, you acted childishly and made a mess. Piling on more play-by-play analysis isn’t going to change that. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/3 "2009-09-17T15:39:35Z")
I hate this messageboard _soooooooo much_ that I need to be banned to keep myself from posting. ---
**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/4 "2009-09-17T15:39:53Z")
Well, thank goodness that’s all clear now. I couldn’t handle the not knowing. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/5 "2009-09-17T15:50:51Z")
If your interpretation of this: > [@](#): > > If you don’t state that it’s someone else’s work, you’re implying that it’s your own. Sorry, but this isn’t okay. is genuinely this: > [@](#): > > “Shove your justification up your ass.” then your life must be very difficult. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/6 "2009-09-17T15:52:59Z")
I have no idea of the backstore though I gather it was _Drama!!_. Based on this thread alone, lemme tell you where you lost me: > [@](#): > > **twickster** responded to me “If you don’t state that it’s someone else’s work, you’re implying that it’s your own. Sorry, but this isn’t okay.” . . . I responded to the warning with “Shove it up your ass” [because] I took her PM in #6 to say, “Shove your justification up your ass” [and] I chose to respond in kind, perhaps a little less eloquently. Dude, it’s mighty hard to read “If you don’t state that it’s someone else’s work, you’re implying that it’s your own. Sorry, but this isn’t okay” and hear “Shove your justification up your ass.” Those sentences have _nothing_ in common. Your response was not “in kind.” So maybe a break is in order, at least until you can stop reading so much into what others are saying and overreacting on that basis. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/7 "2009-09-17T15:54:00Z")
Damn you **Bosstone**! _:: Shakes fist ::_ ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/8 "2009-09-17T15:57:42Z")
Don’t take any wooden nickels and write if you get work. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/9 "2009-09-17T16:00:33Z")
Hey, **Dudley** , shove your justification up your ass. (Now, I wonder, could I be overreacting just the tiniest bit? Naw, impossible.) ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/10 "2009-09-17T16:05:22Z")
I honestly didn’t give a shit about any of the backstory. But now that I have all the juicy details… Was this thread just an attempt to explain or to justify? Because if it’s the latter, boy did you miss it by a wide margin. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/11 "2009-09-17T16:13:02Z")
> [@DudleyGarrett](#): > > Needless to say, this isn’t the message board for me. Door, ass, etc. You know the drill. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/12 "2009-09-17T16:18:54Z")
I thought I might give a shit about this thread when I opened it. Turned out I was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/13 "2009-09-17T16:19:57Z")
I liked it better when I knew nothing about this. ---
**Author:** ![Kyrie\_Eleison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kyrie_eleison/32/7682_2.png) [@Kyrie\_Eleison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyrie_Eleison)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/14 "2009-09-17T16:37:29Z")
> [@Jodi](#): > > Damn you **Bosstone**! _:: Shakes fist ::_ I think you’ve read too much into what **Bosstone** is saying, and are overreacting on that basis. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/15 "2009-09-17T16:38:41Z")
> [@](#): > > . Because frankly, it pissed me off but I didn’t want it to be a public spectacle. Just out of curiosity, at what point did you change your mind? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/16 "2009-09-17T16:38:50Z")
My apathy for this entire incident is palpable. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/17 "2009-09-17T16:58:45Z")
> [@Michael\_Ellis](#): > > My apathy for this entire incident is palpable. Who cares? ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Robson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gary_robson/32/3448_2.png) [@Gary\_Robson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Robson)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/18 "2009-09-17T17:02:11Z")
**Dudley** , I have no desire to get involved in your issues with **Twix** , but I feel the need to make a factual correction here: > [@DudleyGarrett](#): > > 1. Then I find out that the initial warning was reversed and a new one is in its place. I received this warning from **twickster**. So, contradictory to what she told **TubaDiva** , she could send me PMs. No, she couldn’t. If you block PMs, then mods cannot send you PMs. _However_, we have an automated system for handling infractions. When she issued you a warning, that infraction system sent you the PM. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/19 "2009-09-17T17:34:28Z")
Again, tempest in a teapot. Drama Queen badges handed out all around. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/20 "2009-09-17T17:37:00Z")
Why are we still talking about this? Why is anyone posting to this thread? Why am \*\*I \*\*posting to this thread? My god, maybe I should have myself banned for my own good! [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452.md?page=2)