# Clarification Inside: Clearing the air and revealing PMs **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 17, 2009, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452 "2009-09-17T15:14:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/81 "2009-09-19T04:47:42Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > Use AND representation. Omission is not representation. > > You’re being intentionally obtuse. Wrong again, dumbass. Posting something without attribution represents it as original work, because nothing in the post indicates otherwise. Try using huge letters next time, maybe in red text. You’ll still be wrong, but you’ll be wrong louder. ---
**Author:** ![torie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@torie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/torie)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/82 "2009-09-19T04:50:15Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Get over yourself, Bitch. Dudley is responsible for his misconduct, not me. He’s been here more than long enough to know he shouldn’t have done what he did. He’s the one that went in to meltdown mode when his misconduct was identified and sanctioned. Had he not cursed out a mod, he would not have gotten a warning. Had he not cursed me out, he would not have gotten pitted. :rolleyes: You’re stupidly hostile. No reason for it. If the post was unacceptable because it was glurgey, fair enough. I still don’t think it was **Plagiarism!!!**. It was obvious to everyone who is not stupid that he was sharing. These joke lists get spread all over the place fast, and I’m not sure that I am breaking some big moral code every time I don’t spend time on Google trying to find the original writer. The lack of one stupid sentence in the OP of the original thread, “I found this online”, prompted your heavy and serious admonishment. You overreacted to the first thread, he overreacted to your overreaction. Doesn’t mean you weren’t kind of a jerk originally. Get over _yourself_. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/83 "2009-09-19T04:53:00Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Well, then, it wasn’t plagiarism, but it was definitely COPYRIGHT VIOLATION/INFRINGMENT. Can we split more hairs? Please? It was a simple mistake. Busting Dudley’s balls over it served no purpose except for Oakminster to get his jollies. It was reported and that should have been the end of it. Oakminster was as much of a dick as Dudley was. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/84 "2009-09-19T04:55:47Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Wrong again, dumbass. Posting something without attribution represents it as original work, because nothing in the post indicates otherwise. Try using huge letters next time, maybe in red text. You’ll still be wrong, but you’ll be wrong louder. Only a fucking moron like you would think that anyone who is posting a list of jokes would think it was original work. Get your head of of your overly pedantic ass. I realize this is SDMB, home of the anal retentive, but common fucking sense says it wasn’t original work. Clearly you lack that. Dumbass. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/85 "2009-09-19T04:56:02Z")
> [@torie](#): > > :rolleyes: You’re stupidly hostile. No reason for it. You insulted me first, you unctuous twat. If you don’t like hostility, don’t post in pit threads. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/86 "2009-09-19T04:58:54Z")
> [@torie](#): > > :rolleyes: You’re stupidly hostile. No reason for it. > > If the post was unacceptable because it was glurgey, fair enough. I still don’t think it was **Plagiarism!!!**. It was obvious to everyone who is not stupid that he was sharing. These joke lists get spread all over the place fast, and I’m not sure that I am breaking some big moral code every time I don’t spend time on Google trying to find the original writer. > > The lack of one stupid sentence in the OP of the original thread, “I found this online”, prompted your heavy and serious admonishment. You overreacted to the first thread, he overreacted to your overreaction. Doesn’t mean you weren’t kind of a jerk originally. > > Get over _yourself_. Torie, forget it. When people like Oakminster get their heels dug in there is no budging them. You’re not allowed to make a mistake because the king shit will be all over you. People like that are practically touching themselves with glee when they get the opportunity to knock someone down a peg. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/87 "2009-09-19T05:01:05Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > Only a fucking moron like you would think that anyone who is posting a list of jokes would think it was original work. Get your head of of your overly pedantic ass. Nobody thought it was original work. I knew it was stolen as soon as I saw it. That’s why I googled for a cite and busted him for it. The point is that by not attributing it, he represented it as his own. Simple concept. Now think of something absolutely revolting, and assume I said that about your mother. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/88 "2009-09-19T05:01:20Z")
> [@DudleyGarrett](#): > > First and foremost, let me just say that these are the facts of what happened, including the contents of all PMs. There is no embellishment. Just clearing the air. The steps are in chronological order. If you don’t care about this, I can appreciate that… why you would, I have no idea. > > 1. I post the stupid joke list to MPSIMS. > > 2. **Oakminster** calls it plagiarism. > > 3. Instead of being public about it, I sent him a obscenity-laden PM. Because frankly, it pissed me off but I didn’t want it to be a public spectacle. > > 4. I then see that **twickster** edited my original posting in the thread citing plagiarism and the thread was locked. No warning was issued at this point. I sent her a PM: > > 5. At the time I was writing this PM to her, the initial warning was issued. > > 6. **twickster** responded to me: > > 7. At this point, I responded to the warning with “Shove it up your ass.” I’ll tell you why: I took her PM in #6 to say, “Shove your justification up your ass.” I chose to respond in kind, perhaps a little less eloquently. > > 8. Figuring I was going to be banned anyway, I changed my e-mail address so something like “[admin@sdmb.com](mailto:admin@sdmb.com)” because I didn’t want the world having my e-mail address. I didn’t re-verify the e-mail address. > > 9. I then couldn’t post, send or receive PMs from regular users. I also couldn’t look up user contact information. But I could read everything, including PMs received from staff. I thought I was suspended or banned and didn’t think the e-mail change would cause this behavior. > > 10. I then received the PM from **TubaDiva** : > Thankfully, I remembered **TubaDiva** ’s e-mail address and we have a pleasant e-mail conversation over a two-day span that didn’t really amount to much in way of equitable resolution as far as I can tell. > > 11. Then I find out that the initial warning was reversed and a new one is in its place. I received this warning from **twickster**. So, contradictory to what she told **TubaDiva** , she could send me PMs. > > Since then, everything was public. > > Needless to say, this isn’t the message board for me. I’ve asked **TubaDiva** to close my account because I don’t want to be tempted to post here. I certainly need to find something else to occupy my time. Anyway, she politely refused. > > Well, take care all. > > (By the way, Bryan Ekers, you’re really witty and intelligent, to go through the entire list to tell everyone how unfunny it is – I appreciate that. You’re officially the Champion of Humor and your post reminded me that I’m in the wrong place. Why someone would go through that much effort to insult someone who they’ve really had ZERO contact with, I really have no idea. Seriously, thanks for that reminder) Because, by your own admission, you’re a jerk. You say mean stuff to people in PMs, where they can’t do anything about it. Glad to see you go. Would that **tacoloco** felt the same way. I have seriously never hated anyone I have never met more. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/89 "2009-09-19T05:04:02Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > You insulted me first, you unctuous twat. If you don’t like hostility, don’t post in pit threads. What is your major malfunction, dumbass. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/90 "2009-09-19T05:08:23Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > What is your major malfunction, dumbass. A long time ago called. They want their catchphrase back. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/91 "2009-09-19T05:08:42Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Nobody thought it was original work. I knew it was stolen as soon as I saw it. That’s why I googled for a cite and busted him for it. The point is that by not attributing it, he represented it as his own. Simple concept. And of course, given your massive ego, you couldn’t have just reported it, right? Of course not. You have to feel like a big man by your petty “busting” of Dudley in public. If you’re bored, freel free to stop responding. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/92 "2009-09-19T05:14:47Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > And of course, given your massive ego, you couldn’t have just reported it, right? > > Of course not. You have to feel like a big man by your petty “busting” of Dudley in public. > > If you’re bored, freel free to stop responding. Why is this so important to you? You’ve raised a bigger stink than **Dudley** did. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/93 "2009-09-19T05:29:31Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Why is this so important to you? You’ve raised a bigger stink than **Dudley** did. _yawn_. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/94 "2009-09-19T05:32:34Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > _yawn_. So you’re down to one word posts now? You think you’re going to win the thread if you get the last post? You’re fucking pathetic and an embarrassment to to the internet. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/95 "2009-09-19T05:51:32Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > So you’re down to one word posts now? You think you’re going to win the thread if you get the last post? You’re fucking pathetic and an embarrassment to to the internet. _shrug_ ---
**Author:** ![torie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@torie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/torie)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/96 "2009-09-19T05:54:16Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > You insulted me first, you unctuous twat. If you don’t like hostility, don’t post in pit threads. Seriously? Your definition of ‘insult’ is as loose as your definition of **plagiarism!!!**. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/97 "2009-09-19T05:55:59Z")
> [@torie](#): > > Seriously? Your definition of ‘insult’ is as loose as your definition of **plagiarism!!!**. Not nearly as loose as your diseased vagina, Bitch. ---
**Author:** ![torie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@torie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/torie)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/98 "2009-09-19T05:58:19Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Not nearly as loose as your diseased vagina, Bitch. Oh my god, this is getting better by the second! 😃 I don’t think I’ve laughed that hard in a long time. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/99 "2009-09-19T06:02:09Z")
> [@torie](#): > > Oh my god, this is getting better by the second! 😃 I don’t think I’ve laughed that hard in a long time. At least you have a sense of humor. ---
**Author:** ![torie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@torie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/torie)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452/100 "2009-09-19T06:05:57Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > At least you have a sense of humor. Well, it was funny. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-inside-clearing-the-air-and-revealing-pms/510452.md?page=6)