# Clarification re: junior modding **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 10, 2008, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-re-junior-modding/463002 "2008-09-10T21:42:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![vetbridge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b5e925/32.png) [@vetbridge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vetbridge)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-re-junior-modding/463002/21 "2008-09-11T18:47:02Z")
I’m not good enough to junior mod; any rules against sophomoric modding? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-re-junior-modding/463002/22 "2008-09-11T18:48:42Z")
> [@vetbridge](#): > > I’m not good enough to junior mod; any rules against sophomoric modding? Hey we get plenty of that already from the Pros. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![VunderBob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/839c29/32.png) [@VunderBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VunderBob)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-re-junior-modding/463002/23 "2008-09-11T18:49:52Z")
Isn’t Junior Modding a NASCAR driver? ---
**Author:** ![Pork\_Rind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pork_rind/32/111_2.png) [@Pork\_Rind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pork_Rind)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-re-junior-modding/463002/24 "2008-09-11T18:51:42Z")
> [@VunderBob](#): > > Isn’t Junior Modding a NASCAR driver? Naw, man. Junior Modding was that big guy on _Hee-Haw_. ---
**Author:** ![Zhen\_ka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecccb3/32.png) [@Zhen\_ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zhen_ka)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-re-junior-modding/463002/25 "2008-09-11T20:44:48Z")
Q.E.D. has posted the links in question elsewhere. Take that as you will. ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-re-junior-modding/463002/26 "2008-09-11T21:04:00Z")
Like so many things, we know it when we see it… and we don’t want to try to draft up a 400-page document trying to describe all details. Basically, “junior modding” is coming across as a moderator: make statements, accusations, etc that only a moderator should be making. What’s the diff between that and simply long-term posters giving advice to newcomers? Again, you know it when you see it. Giving helpful advice or suggestions to newcomers is usually warm, welcoming and friendly; junior modding usually involves scolding, criticizing, or a holier-than-thou attitude. And if junior modding happens once in a while, we don’t usually care. Yeah, we may warn (in public or in private), but everyone slips up now and then. However, when we see regular, repeated behaviors – when we’ve issued several warnings over a fairly short time-frame – that’s a different situation. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-re-junior-modding/463002/27 "2008-09-11T21:11:55Z")
> [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](#): > > Like so many things, we know it when we see it… and we don’t want to try to draft up a 400-page document trying to describe all details. Basically, “junior modding” is coming across as a moderator: make statements, accusations, etc that only a moderator should be making. > > What’s the diff between that and simply long-term posters giving advice to newcomers? Again, you know it when you see it. Giving helpful advice or suggestions to newcomers is usually warm, welcoming and friendly; junior modding usually involves scolding, criticizing, or a holier-than-thou attitude. > > And if junior modding happens once in a while, we don’t usually care. Yeah, we may warn (in public or in private), but everyone slips up now and then. However, when we see regular, repeated behaviors – when we’ve issued several warnings over a fairly short time-frame – that’s a different situation. thanks - the part that sounds makes it clearest to me is > [@](#): > > junior modding usually involves scolding, criticizing, or a holier-than-thou attitude ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-re-junior-modding/463002/28 "2008-09-11T22:14:12Z")
It’s all right here in the junior modchuck guidebook. Don’t you all have your copies? ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_fight\_the\_hypothetical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/59ef9b/32.png) [@Don\_t\_fight\_the\_hypothetical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_fight_the_hypothetical)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-re-junior-modding/463002/29 "2008-09-11T22:18:15Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > No , that’s the first rule of the Junior Modding **Club**. Not all Junior Mods have joined the club. It’s an open shop. That was Q.E.D.'s problem, he wouldn’t pony up the initiation fee. The correct term is \*JMWAL. FTR, I like Q.E.D. He’s too sharp sometimes and I’ve even called him on it before but mostly I think of him as the drunk, curmudgeony old uncle in the corner at the party talking smack about the whippersnappers. \*(Junior Modding without a License) ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-re-junior-modding/463002/30 "2008-09-11T22:24:49Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > It’s all right here in the junior modchuck guidebook. Don’t you all have your copies? My dog ate it. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-re-junior-modding/463002/31 "2008-09-11T23:50:43Z")
[From this maybe?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=482406) Just a guess. ---
**Author:** ![appleciders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@appleciders](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/appleciders)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2008, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-re-junior-modding/463002/32 "2008-09-12T00:22:02Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Wouldn’t that be junior modding of junior modding? Junior meta-modding! ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2008, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-re-junior-modding/463002/33 "2008-09-12T00:24:36Z")
> [@BubbaDog](#): > > [From this maybe?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=482406) > > Just a guess. To add to what Dex said, I think these things are usually cumulative. ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2008, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-re-junior-modding/463002/34 "2008-09-12T00:46:10Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > It’s all right here in the junior modchuck guidebook. Don’t you all have your copies? That thing reads like stereo instructions… ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2008, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-re-junior-modding/463002/35 "2008-09-12T00:53:57Z")
You suspended **Q.E.D.**? Riding high on the list of incredibly stupid, self inflicted wounds the board’s administration is hell bent on achieving before the weekend this one ranks right up there. I’m curious to see how many mods/admins opt to disassociate themselves with this board given the recent administrative behaviour. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2008, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-re-junior-modding/463002/36 "2008-09-12T01:01:25Z")
> [@Grey](#): > > You suspended **Q.E.D.**? That happened before things blew up yesterday – and my reaction to it was to shoot off a PM thanking TPTB for doing it. He’s an officious SOB and I’m glad they finally called him on it in a way that will, I hope, get him to cut it the fuck out. Though I’m not going to hold my breath. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2008, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-re-junior-modding/463002/37 "2008-09-12T05:48:51Z")
Okay, that makes sense. I’m usually only holier-than-a-few-schmucks in my advice givings. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2008, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-re-junior-modding/463002/38 "2008-09-12T11:53:30Z")
> [@Grey](#): > > I’m curious to see how many mods/admins opt to disassociate themselves with this board given the recent administrative behaviour. I’ll put the over-under at zero. Unless you’ve got some inside info I don’t have access to. 😉 > [@wring](#): > > Is pointing out that junior modding can get you suspended “junior modding”? Maybe if you said it in a jerkish way. Look: this is not a new wrinkle on a rule where everybody has to watch what they say. If somebody forgets to link to a Staff Report and you tell them it’s customary to do so and link to the column yourself, you’re not going to get warned for junior modding. Most of the time this is not something that even draws a warning. The usual response to junior modding, in my experience, is a mod note saying ‘you’re junior modding, stop it, we can handle it.’ If you (hypothetically) keep doing it after mods and admins tell you repeatedly to stop doing it for an extended period of time, eventually it turns into an issue that has to be dealt with. It’s that much worse if you’re posting as if you have inside info and are actually giving out misinformation. If you think you made one post someplace that might sound a little junior mod-ish if read the wrong way, you don’t need to sit back and worry you’re about to be suspended. > [@](#): > > Is linking to rules “junior modding” ? what if the poster asked the question? Linking to the rules in response to a question isn’t junior modding. It’s all in how you talk to people, but I don’t see how that could qualify. > [@](#): > > Is it “junior modding” to point out that I thought he deserved suspension for being a jerk? No, that’s just expressing your opinion. There’s not much to add to what **Dex** already said about this and **mlees** ’ summary works, too. ---
**Author:** ![XJETGIRLX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9fc29f/32.png) [@XJETGIRLX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XJETGIRLX)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2008, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-re-junior-modding/463002/39 "2008-09-12T13:14:56Z")
> [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](#): > > junior modding usually involves scolding, criticizing, or a holier-than-thou attitude. Because obviously these should all be reserved for real mods. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2008, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-re-junior-modding/463002/40 "2008-09-12T13:20:45Z")
So, is it okay to adopt a scolding, criticizing or holier-than-thou attitude so long as it doesn’t concern board rules, format, traditions or etiquette? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-re-junior-modding/463002.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-re-junior-modding/463002.md?page=3)