# Clarification requested : "As a political group, Christians are sneaky, hypocritical, and dishonest." **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [January 25, 2021, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-requested-as-a-political-group-christians-are-sneaky-hypocritical-and-dishonest/931411 "2021-01-25T01:11:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-requested-as-a-political-group-christians-are-sneaky-hypocritical-and-dishonest/931411/1 "2021-01-25T01:11:41Z")
Over in this thread, an issue has come up and I would ask for some clarification: > [@Is there a strong Christian backlash to Trump's sedition?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-strong-christian-backlash-to-trumps-sedition/930895): > > I just this article about a Christian backlash against Franklin Graham’s support of Trump, [Over 16,000 Christians Want Franklin Graham Fired for ‘Helping Incite’ Capitol Riot (msn.com)](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/over-16-000-christians-want-franklin-graham-fired-for-helping-incite-capitol-riot/ar-BB1cTwCx?ocid=msedgntp) …and I was wondering if there was more than this going on behind the scenes because, when it comes to the number of self-proclaimed Christians in this country, “over 16,000” Christians" just isn’t that big a number. Are there other Christian organizations out there that used to support Trump but have (please e… @TriPolar states: > [@](#): > > As a political group Christians are sneaky, hypocritical, and dishonest. Other posters have called TriPolar on that, as broad-brushed and not acceptable, because it makes a general statement about all Christians. One mod initially said that it was a broad-brush attack against Christians and close to hate speech and trolling, but ultimately two mods have said it’s okay, because TriPolar prefaced it with “As a political group”. I’m afraid I don’t understand that distinction, because it is saying that it is okay to stereotype all Christians when they are acting in a political fashion. To me, it’s still a broad-brush attack on all Christians when they exercise political rights. I really don’t see how that phrase “As a political group” changes the statement from unacceptable to acceptable. Is it acceptable to say: “As a political group Catholics are sneaky, hypocritical and dishonest.” “As a political group Blacks are sneaky, hypocritical, and dishonest.” “As a political group Muslims are sneaky, hypocritical, and dishonest.” “As a political group Jews are sneaky, hypocritical, and dishonest.” I don’t understand how that one phrase makes statements of this sort acceptable, and based on comments from @DrDeth and @Wendell_Wagner, I’m not alone. Clarification, please? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-requested-as-a-political-group-christians-are-sneaky-hypocritical-and-dishonest/931411/2 "2021-01-25T01:35:56Z")
Yep, not only would any of those not fly, but likely the poster would be suspended on the spot, if not banned. _Christian_ is a large group, and even _Christian Political groups_ is a very very large umbrella, quite a few of which are/were Supporting Biden, and anti-trump. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-requested-as-a-political-group-christians-are-sneaky-hypocritical-and-dishonest/931411/3 "2021-01-25T02:41:22Z")
Agreeing. “Christian” is not a political group. A lot of Christians are in political groups; but they’re not all in anywhere near the same one, the politics of those groups vary wildly, and nowhere near all of them are “sneaky, hypocritical, and dishonest”. There are some political groups which claim to base their politics on their religion, and some of those are Christian. So if the poster had named a specific political group, that would be different; it would then be possible to discuss whether the description were accurate for that group. But they didn’t. They lumped all Christians who have anything to do with politics into one group, which is nonsensical and insulting in itself. ---
**Author:** ![lum\_s\_husband](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lum_s_husband/32/3698_2.png) [@lum\_s\_husband](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lum_s_husband)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-requested-as-a-political-group-christians-are-sneaky-hypocritical-and-dishonest/931411/4 "2021-01-25T02:55:24Z")
Google “political Islam.” Calls for its elimination are widespread. Should “political Christianity” be treated differently? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-requested-as-a-political-group-christians-are-sneaky-hypocritical-and-dishonest/931411/5 "2021-01-25T02:56:55Z")
**TriPolar** has as much as admitted using that as an extremely sloppy/careless shorthand for what _ **I** _ call _“those US political factions that call themselves Conservative Christians/Religious Right”_ but apprently expecting that since they are the ones vocally insisting in calling their politics “Christian”, somehow we all should concede the shorthand because we knew what he meant. Very sloppy broad-brushy statement, and very weak “sorry you misunderstood me” apology. I’d stop short of going beyond that as to adscribing anything else. OTOH yes, I _knew_ what he meant, but it still has the effect of perpetuating the notion that political Christians who are **not** ideological asshats don’t count or are the aberration. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-requested-as-a-political-group-christians-are-sneaky-hypocritical-and-dishonest/931411/6 "2021-01-25T03:08:58Z")
> [@lum\_s\_husband](#): > > Google “political Islam.” Calls for its elimination are widespread. Should “political Christianity” be treated differently? They should be treated the same, namely, that we don’t attribute characteristics to political actors based solely on their religion. Muslims have just as much right to express political beliefs as Christians. Individual Muslims and Christians who do so should be evaluated based on their political expressions, not all lumped together based on their religions. ---
**Author:** ![jtur88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9c0ed/32.png) [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-requested-as-a-political-group-christians-are-sneaky-hypocritical-and-dishonest/931411/7 "2021-01-25T04:13:51Z")
How about “When acting as a political group, Christians are as prone as anyone else to sneaky, hypocritical and dishonest tactics”? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-requested-as-a-political-group-christians-are-sneaky-hypocritical-and-dishonest/931411/8 "2021-01-25T05:04:29Z")
But that’s not what the post said. It was a statement singling out Christians, not pointing out a commonality of human behaviour. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-requested-as-a-political-group-christians-are-sneaky-hypocritical-and-dishonest/931411/9 "2021-01-25T05:13:04Z")
What was wrong with my explanation? He didn’t say “all Christians.” He used “as a political group” as a limiter. His goal was specifically to not broad brush Christians, but to limit it to a particular political group. That’s what he explained to the mods. The mod accepted that it was not his intent, but told him he needed to be more clear in the future. So he did–he took the time to explain exactly what he meant. And he also apologized for the misunderstanding and to anyone who was offended by it. I very much agree with this modding. I see no sign he was trying to sneakily attack all Christians. I’m all for not Warning people for misunderstandings. My only issue is that I wish the mods would believe me as much as they did him. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-requested-as-a-political-group-christians-are-sneaky-hypocritical-and-dishonest/931411/10 "2021-01-25T05:24:16Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > …but to limit it to a particular political group… Not to a _particular_ political group. To _any_ Christian political group. He had chances to limit it to Evangelicals or Conservative Christians, but nope. "…_but there are plenty of people with a political identity that they state is based on their Christian identity. It’s usually a two part spec, specifying ‘Christian’, but associating some other philosophy, like Christian Conservative. It isn’t simply the label either, they will identify their politics as being Christian in nature, and then have some set of political values/causes/whatevers to go with it. And they are sneaky, they are hiding the details of their political philosophy. …"_ That was after I gave examples of Anti-trump and Pro-Biden Christian political groups. So it appears that to him, any Christian Political group, of whatever politics or stripe is _sneaky, hypocritical and dishonest_. He even doubled down on the _sneaky._ To the mod "… _I specified Christians as a political group, not all Christians as someone said and was noted for…"_ So, like our Op here has said, would we give a pass to: “As a political group Jews are sneaky, hypocritical, and dishonest.”? No. But it’s Ok if you are bigoted against Christians, apparently. Now, when I got a PM from the Mods, I did ask for a Note, not a Warning. But the doubling down has me concerned. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-requested-as-a-political-group-christians-are-sneaky-hypocritical-and-dishonest/931411/11 "2021-01-25T05:46:14Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > OTOH yes, I _knew_ what he meant Well, then he’s right. Or at any rate, communicating his right or wrong idea effectively. It’s disingenuuous to pretend he meant to include the League of Quaker Socialists when talking about Christians and (US) politics. _Everyone_ knew what he meant. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-requested-as-a-political-group-christians-are-sneaky-hypocritical-and-dishonest/931411/12 "2021-01-25T05:53:44Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > He had chances to limit it to Evangelicals or Conservative Christians, but nope. Are you including Catholics in that undefined “Conservative” group? Because _politically_, they are just as bad as Evangelicals. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-requested-as-a-political-group-christians-are-sneaky-hypocritical-and-dishonest/931411/13 "2021-01-25T06:08:28Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > _Everyone_ knew what he meant. Can you explain what this sooper-sekrit meaning of Christian was? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-requested-as-a-political-group-christians-are-sneaky-hypocritical-and-dishonest/931411/14 "2021-01-25T06:18:43Z")
“People in the USA who use their Christian identity as an excuse for shitty political actions that they doubtless would have wanted anyway even if they were atheists, because they are inherently racist, misogynist, homophobic, transphobic, Islamophobic reactionary assholes, but the Christianity gives them more acceptable cover” was my immediate understanding. Anyone who says they thought **TP** meant any other group is lying or faking their outrage. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-requested-as-a-political-group-christians-are-sneaky-hypocritical-and-dishonest/931411/15 "2021-01-25T06:29:30Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Can you explain what this sooper-sekrit meaning of Christian was Could you just accept that I did not mean what you are saying that I did? I would like to respond to you to provide further clarification but that should be done in the original thread. What do you hope to accomplish in this thread? I will be happy to help you out to put an end to what is just a miscommunication. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-requested-as-a-political-group-christians-are-sneaky-hypocritical-and-dishonest/931411/16 "2021-01-25T06:36:02Z")
OP of the original thread here. Frankly, I would like to avoid both widespread accusations about Christianity as a whole _and_ attempts to take any criticisms at all as attacks on all Christianity. All I wanted was a discussion of Christian groups that started out supporting Trump and whether any of them have turned away from that original position because of what he has done and/or said since they took that position. Personally, I wouldn’t mind if y’all started a separate thread about whatever it is _this_ discussion is about. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-requested-as-a-political-group-christians-are-sneaky-hypocritical-and-dishonest/931411/17 "2021-01-25T06:41:05Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > One mod initially said that it was a broad-brush attack against Christians and close to hate speech and trolling, but ultimately two mods have said it’s okay, because TriPolar prefaced it with “As a political group”. > > I’m afraid I don’t understand that distinction, because it is saying that it is okay to stereotype all Christians when they are acting in a political fashion. To me, it’s still a broad-brush attack on all Christians when they exercise political rights. Here is the exchange, in isolation: > **What\_Exit exchange (click to show/hide)** > > > #55: > > > > > [@Is there a strong Christian backlash to Trump's sedition?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-strong-christian-backlash-to-trumps-sedition/930895/55): > > > > > > As a political group Christians are sneaky, hypocritical, and dishonest. The overt supporters of Trump among them were in it for the personal enrichment, the rest don’t make feelings known that clearly. They’ll be non-committal about supporting Trump and his ilk, stating only that they agree with his views on abortion and the economy. However, you won’t hear them object to anything until it carries a price with it. > > > > #100: > > > > > [@Is there a strong Christian backlash to Trump's sedition?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-strong-christian-backlash-to-trumps-sedition/930895/100): > > > > > > **Modhat** : I’m very close to a warning here. Broadbrush attacks against “Christians” is close to hate speech and close to trolling. Please stop. > > > > > > (I’m not picking on you, I’m just the one responding to the flag) What Exit? > > > > > > _This is just a guidance, not a warning. Nothing on your permanent record._ > > > > #101: > > > > > [@Is there a strong Christian backlash to Trump's sedition?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-strong-christian-backlash-to-trumps-sedition/930895/101): > > > > > > What was the broad brush attack? I specified Christians as a political group, not all Christians as someone said and was noted for. I can certainly expand on what I mean by Christians as a political group if anyone is interested in discussing the subject. > > > > #102: > > > > > [@Is there a strong Christian backlash to Trump's sedition?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-strong-christian-backlash-to-trumps-sedition/930895/102): > > > > > > OK, fair enough. I and apparently others read that as an attack on all Christians. Maybe you should clarify what you mean by “Christians as a political group”. I don’t think **What\_Exit** admitted that **TriPolar** ’s post #55, as written, is “okay”. **TriPolar** may not admit that he made a broad attack on all Christians, but has subsequently apologized for giving that impression. It’s a half-apology, and that seems to be enough for **What\_Exit** to back off from “very close to a warning”. There’s room to criticize **What\_Exit** ’s moderation or **TriPolar** ’s actions, but without getting into any of that, I don’t think you are justified when you conclude that **What\_Exit** (one of the “two mods”) thinks **TriPolar** ’s post #55 is okay. * * * Part 2, **Hari\_Seldon** ’s note. The exchange, in isolation: > **Hari\_Seldon exchange (Click to show/hide)** > > > #55: > > > > > [@Is there a strong Christian backlash to Trump's sedition?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-strong-christian-backlash-to-trumps-sedition/930895/55): > > > > > > As a political group Christians are sneaky, hypocritical, and dishonest. The overt supporters of Trump among them were in it for the personal enrichment, the rest don’t make feelings known that clearly. They’ll be non-committal about supporting Trump and his ilk, stating only that they agree with his views on abortion and the economy. However, you won’t hear them object to anything until it carries a price with it. > > > > #63: > > > > > [@Is there a strong Christian backlash to Trump's sedition?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-strong-christian-backlash-to-trumps-sedition/930895/63): > > > > > > > [@Is there a strong Christian backlash to Trump's sedition?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-strong-christian-backlash-to-trumps-sedition/930895/55): > > > > > > > > As a political group Christians are sneaky, hypocritical, and dishonest. > > > > > > You should realize that you’re talking about Christians today. You know, Christianity has been around for a while. You should realize that you’re talking about those who live in the U.S. There are a lot of countries in the world and only 4% of the world’s population are American. You should realize that you’re talking about those who are members of what are called “evangelical” churches, more specifically those who go to the large independent churches not affiliated to a denomination. You should realize that you’re talking about the white people within those churches, because if you look at similar churches with mostly black congregations, they aren’t nearly so right-wing. And even among the American churches today with mostly white congregations that are not affiliated with a denomination and which think of themselves as evangelicals, there isn’t quite as much universal political agreement as you might guess. > > > > #64: > > > > > [@Is there a strong Christian backlash to Trump's sedition?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-strong-christian-backlash-to-trumps-sedition/930895/64): > > > > > > I’m talking about people who strongly tie their politics and Christian identity. > > > > #68: > > > > > [@Is there a strong Christian backlash to Trump's sedition?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-strong-christian-backlash-to-trumps-sedition/930895/68): > > > > > > But that’s not what you wrote. You said that “. . . Christians are sneaky, hypocritical, and dishonest . . .” You didn’t limit it to Christians today, to Christians in the U.S., to members of evangelical churches which are often large churches unaffiliated with denominations, or to white members of such churches. And it’s not clear to me that people who seriously believe in the tenets of Christianity (even within all the distinctions I just made) are more likely to be right-wing than other people. Every denomination and church has a large proportion of members whose beliefs are, at best, very vague. Much about belonging to a church is about being with people whose sociopolitical beliefs you agree with and who you would like to hang out with socially. To defend any statement that Christian beliefs are truly more right-wing than left-wing, you’d have to examine Christian theological and moral beliefs. Perhaps the people who call themselves Christians and who espouse right-wing beliefs are more likely to be the ones who don’t really care about Christian theological and moral beliefs. Perhaps they are more likely to only belong to their churches for social purposes and because they have found in those churches fellow members in agreement with their political beliefs, which in truth they care about much more than theology. > > > > #86: > > > > > [@Is there a strong Christian backlash to Trump's sedition?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-strong-christian-backlash-to-trumps-sedition/930895/86): > > > > > > > [@Is there a strong Christian backlash to Trump's sedition?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-strong-christian-backlash-to-trumps-sedition/930895/68): > > > > > > > > > [@Is there a strong Christian backlash to Trump's sedition?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-strong-christian-backlash-to-trumps-sedition/930895/64): > > > > > > > > > > I’m talking about people who strongly tie their politics and Christian identity. > > > > > > > > But that’s not what you wrote. You said that “. . . Christians are sneaky, hypocritical, and dishonest . . .” You didn’t limit it to > > > > > > Moderating: > > > What they actually wrote was “As a political group, Christians…” which definitely limits it. So you quoted him out of the context that clearly limited it to politicized Christians and then accused them of not limiting it. This is jerky behavior; please cease. No warning. > > > > #94: > > > > > [@Is there a strong Christian backlash to Trump's sedition?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-strong-christian-backlash-to-trumps-sedition/930895/94): > > > > > > Please, please, please, I’m not trying to troll you, but could you please explain to me the distinction you’re making. I honestly don’t understand it at all. The subject of the sentence didn’t change at all. Only the adverb changed. The sentence is talking about Christians. The adverb just makes it clear that it’s about the political views of Christians. It doesn’t limit the sentence to being about any particular group of Christians. It didn’t limit it to any one group of Christians. Please, please, please, please, please explain to me the distinction you’re making it. I honestly don’t understand what distinction you’re making. I can’t figure out what you’re talking about here. I’m utterly lost. Of critical relevance is where **Hari\_Seldon** wrote, referring to **TriPolar** ’s post #55, > What they actually wrote was “As a political group, Christians…” which definitely limits it. I _can_ interpret **TriPolar** ’s post in such a way that he only describes some Christians as sneaky/hypocritical/dishonest. In fact I did so when reading the thread - I mentally substituted “Evangelicals” or “Conservative Christians” for “Christians”. In the context of discussions about Christians and support of Donald Trump, I feel justified in my interpretation. The actual words **TriPolar** used, devoid of that context (and my personal grant of the benefit of the doubt), do not support my interpretation; but it is okay in context. It turns out that my assumptions were wrong. **TriPolar** clarified in post #64 that he was not referring to Evangelical or Conservative Christians, but to any and all Christians “who strongly tie their politics and Christian identity”. There’s no easy way to defend **Hari\_Seldon** ’s mod note to **Wendell\_Wagner** after post #64. That being said, I would not necessarily classify **TriPolar** ’s overall position as an unacceptable attack on or stereotype of Christians. I do not think his position should be verboten, provided it is on-topic in a debate: ‘People who strongly tie politics and Christian identity are sneaky, hypocritical, and dishonest.’ A while back I started a debate about whether religion should be a prominent force in politics, and I think **TriPolar** ’s position would have been totally acceptable in that discussion, or as a spin-off discussion. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![jtur88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9c0ed/32.png) [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-requested-as-a-political-group-christians-are-sneaky-hypocritical-and-dishonest/931411/18 "2021-01-25T09:12:29Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > But that’s not what the post said. It was a statement singling out Christians, not pointing out a commonality of human behaviour. The content is exactly the same, differing only by whether the subject is treated inclusively or exclusively. I read the OP as “Christians assume that they have a right to be perceived as morally superior, but as a political group, they’re not”. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-requested-as-a-political-group-christians-are-sneaky-hypocritical-and-dishonest/931411/19 "2021-01-25T12:30:23Z")
To clarify, I do not think **TriPolar** ’s post was OK. It was close to a warning. His explanation helped but his choice of words was terrible and should be better clarified in the future. ---
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It’s also crucial to remember that there’s a major thread of political Christianity in the US that isn’t right-wing and awful. Look at Reverend William Barber, or at Reverend Raphael Warnock, for two examples. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clarification-requested-as-a-political-group-christians-are-sneaky-hypocritical-and-dishonest/931411.md?page=2)