Clarification requested : "As a political group, Christians are sneaky, hypocritical, and dishonest."

[thorny_locust]

@BigT

@thorny_locust

How about 'I’m sorry, I phrased that really badly, what I meant to say was . . . "?

He did that!

No, he (he? I don’t know. Maybe you do.) didn’t.

Tripolar said in that thread, in response to complaints about the post in the op:

@TriPolar

I’m talking about people who strongly tie their politics and Christian identity.

@TriPolar

What was the broad brush attack? I specified Christians as a political group, not all Christians as someone said and was noted for. I can certainly expand on what I mean by Christians as a political group if anyone is interested in discussing the subject.

@TriPolar

I didn’t want to limit myself to Evangelicals, they have a recognizable name these days, but there are plenty of people with a political identity that they state is based on their Christian identity. It’s usually a two part spec, specifying ‘Christian’, but associating some other philosophy, like Christian Conservative. It isn’t simply the label either, they will identify their politics as being Christian in nature, and then have some set of political values/causes/whatevers to go with it. And they are sneaky, they are hiding the details of their political philosophy. They use the ‘Christian’ as both a shield and a battering ram, but they rarely reveal a consistent christian philosophy in any detail. I believe underneath they are economic elitists, and moral elitists, and quite often white supremacists. They believe they are superior people morally and use Christianity as their justification. They also believe they are economically superior as well, believing they are due a better deal than others, and their representation among the wealthy and the upper middle class often unrecognized.

@TriPolar

Sorry, I’ll try to be clearer. But I as you say, isn’t that the fault of those political factions appropriating the terms?

@TriPolar

I explained what I meant. I apologize if anyone took it to mean something else. So what is your agenda in pursuing this now?

@TriPolar

I am not sorry for what I meant in the original post. I am sorry that my words were taken that way, and more directly, my words were not sufficiently clear to avoid misunderstanding. But I am not going to apologize for what I intended to say, that there people who identify themselves politically as Christians, often associating with other political philosophies as well, who hide their true political motivations behind those labels.

None of that reads to me like ‘I phrased that really badly’ or ‘I shouldn’t have said it that way’ or anything else of the sort. All of it reads to me as TriPolar saying that the language used was perfectly fine, that TriPolar doesn’t understand how anyone could have read it as constituting a broad brush attack, and that TriPolar’s insisting the problem’s entirely with the people who read what was actually said instead of reading TriPolar’s mind.

“I am sorry that my words were taken that way” is not at all the same statement as ‘I’m sorry that I said it that way’.