# "Classify the Men's Rights Movement as a terrorist group" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 27, 2014, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395 "2014-05-27T18:41:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/61 "2014-05-28T03:17:56Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Anyway, before **levdrakon** stomped back in here with sand in his urethra and a sulky pout on his face, I thought I made a potentially interesting point about its being rather sexist and unfair to automatically label guys “losers” on the basis of superficial status markers like jobs and relationships. Any takers? I think job status tends to paint men as losers. But I think relationship status tends to do it to women. Hmm. It feels like men without relationships get a bit more benefit of the doubt that maybe they don’t want one, while women are presumed to be desperate and sad if they don’t have one. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/62 "2014-05-28T03:33:35Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Hmm. It feels like men without relationships get a bit more benefit of the doubt that maybe they don’t want one, while women are presumed to be desperate and sad if they don’t have one. Yes, except I think lack of sexual experience is much more of a stigma for men than for women. Long-term virginity for women still has some lingering positive connotations of purity and high standards. Sexual inexperience in adult men, though, tends to be pretty savagely despised and mocked (at least as much by other men as by women). Not that I’m arguing that anybody has any kind of **right** to sexual experience, as the California killer attempted to claim. But calling guys “losers” etc. just for not having any is unfair. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/63 "2014-05-28T03:34:10Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > It’s a valid, mature point, which is probably why **levdrakon** is now shouting and waving his penis like a three-year-old who wants attention. These MRA guys are losers - I can’t understand why they’re so desperate to fuck women when they just fucking hate them so much - but not everybody with a different set of priorities is a loser. Typical pussified lapdog response. Point out any kind of double standard or good god almighty point out that men aren’t all rich white and living large and you’re desperate to fuck women even though you hate them. I know it must be rough going through life never getting laid but sucking up isn’t going to do it. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/64 "2014-05-28T03:59:26Z")
Wow. Dude, that’s some really weak shit. Why even bother coming on the court if you have that little game? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/65 "2014-05-28T04:02:25Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Wow. Dude, that’s some really weak shit. Why even bother coming on the court if you have that little game? Why are you here at all? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/66 "2014-05-28T04:09:17Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Point out any kind of double standard or good god almighty point out that men aren’t all rich white and living large and you’re desperate to fuck women even though you hate them. Actually, the person in this thread who’s been most consistently pointing out double standards and unfair expectations imposed on men is—ahem—me. And nobody’s been giving me any kind of shit for it. Now, if you really were interested a serious discussion of these issues, it seems like you would want to join that conversation. But you seem more focused on just indiscriminately lashing out at anybody who has a more thoughtful opinion than OMG FEMNISTS R TEH EVUL. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/67 "2014-05-28T04:14:37Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Actually, the person in this thread who’s been most consistently pointing out double standards and unfair expectations imposed on men is—ahem—me. And nobody’s been giving me any kind of shit for it. > > Now, if you really were interested a serious discussion of these issues, it seems like you would want to join that conversation. But you seem more focused on just indiscriminately lashing out at anybody who has a more thoughtful opinion than OMG FEMNISTS R TEH EVUL. You’re right about all of that. Like most feminists, all I want from men is the same thing I want from women: mature, adult behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/68 "2014-05-28T04:17:31Z")
Hey, ladies, just so you don’t feel left out, it’s not only girls that make **levdrakon** turn into a narcissistic, bawling moron. Apparently, some [bisexual dude](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=719634) once didn’t want to sleep with him, and that means there’s something wrong with bisexuals. Li’l hint, **lev** : when a guy says he’s into dicks, he’s not talking about personality. Stop acting like a giant choad all the time, and maybe someone will want to touch your weewee. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/69 "2014-05-28T04:27:28Z")
Let’s test it. Why is it when 59 boys are killed by having their throats slit and being burned to death for being students there is barely any notice? Then girls get kidnapped and suddenly Obama is condemning it right along with Boehner, Sen. Barbara Mikulski wants the UN to label Boko Haram a terrorist group, John Kerry puts pressure on the media, and the US is sending legal, intelligence and military assistance? > **[Why Did Kidnapping Girls, but Not Burning Boys Alive, Wake Media Up to Boko...](https://www.mediaite.com/online/why-did-kidnapping-girls-but-not-burning-boys-alive-wake-media-up-to-boko-haram/)** > > Apparently, the press simply needed the right reason to cover this terrorist group and their brutal tactics. But an even more disturbing question needs to be asked now: why did the press spring to action when young women were kidnapped, but were... Oh, and Miller? Don’t be all butthurt I don’t want to sleep with bisexuals. Maybe I just don’t like you. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/70 "2014-05-28T04:38:08Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Yes, except I think lack of sexual experience is much more of a stigma for men than for women. Long-term virginity for women still has some lingering positive connotations of purity and high standards. And negative connotations of being a stuck-up holier-than-thou prude ice queen bitch. Then there’s the “old maid”, which carries one hell of a baggage. Of course, when they \*do \*have sexual experience they become sluts and whores and village bicycles and so forth. They gets got coming and going. I should probably rephrase that :). I agree with you on the whole, though. I was saying so around the beginning of the thread - there’s a pervasive “sex as validation” undercurrent to human society, particularly teenage & young adult society; and it fucks many (most ?) people up in some way or another. Not sure how to change that, especially now that I’m old and bald and teenagers automatically and rightfully tune out every word coming out of my fossil mouth. [QUOTE=andros] (Alternatively, eat a whole bag of dicks.) [/QUOTE] I believe this is [his cue](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT7xc_XqYO8). ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/71 "2014-05-28T04:41:03Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Oh, and Miller? Don’t be all butthurt I don’t want to sleep with bisexuals. Maybe I just don’t like you. They’re not the one sounding all butthurt ITT. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/72 "2014-05-28T04:41:10Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Let’s test it. > > Why is it when 59 boys are killed by having their throats slit and being burned to death for being students there is barely any notice? Then girls get kidnapped and suddenly Obama is condemning it right along with Boehner, Sen. Barbara Mikulski wants the UN to label Boko Haram a terrorist group, John Kerry puts pressure on the media, and the US is sending legal, intelligence and military assistance? > > [Why Did Kidnapping Girls, but Not Burning Boys Alive, Wake Media Up to Boko Haram?](http://www.mediaite.com/online/why-did-kidnapping-girls-but-not-burning-boys-alive-wake-media-up-to-boko-haram/) Personally, I think both cases should be treated equally, but there are a variety of reasons why they might not be. Amongst other reasons, sometimes the media latches onto some stories and ignores others. That actually originally was the case with the girls. Beyond that, I’m not sure why, I suspect it may be a side effect of girls historically being viewed as weak, vulnerable, fragile, and valuable property, the lives of women often are seen as more valuable and women are seen as something to be more protected than men. That’s why we have things like “Women and Children first” on the Titanic, more funding for breast cancer than prostate cancer, and far more media coverage of female crime victims than male victims. However, that hardly means the MRAs aren’t a bunch of butthurt douchebags. > [@](#): > > Oh, and Miller? Don’t be all butthurt I don’t want to sleep with bisexuals. Maybe I just don’t like you. I’m sure Miller’s brokenhearted at hearing that. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/73 "2014-05-28T04:42:57Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Oh, and Miller? Don’t be all butthurt I don’t want to sleep with bisexuals. Maybe I just don’t like you. Nah, no sweat. As a general rule, I don’t fuck bigots. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/74 "2014-05-28T04:45:48Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > I was saying so around the beginning of the thread That would actually be the other thread - the one about the shooting itself. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/75 "2014-05-28T04:48:38Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Nah, no sweat. As a general rule, I don’t fuck bigots. Yeah, I start a thread wanting to know why bisexuals suffer from depression, drug abuse, alcoholism and violence and you get all butthurt because I said I don’t want to sleep with a bi guy married to a woman. Eat me, sugar tits. Sorry the world doesn’t revolve around you and your bisexuality. Oh, and you;re safe from me. I don’t fuck idiots. Go watch a movie screening, theater boy. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/76 "2014-05-28T05:01:54Z")
Dr. Ice to the burn ward, that’s Dr. Ice to the burn ward. When did levdrakon go off the deep end? I don’t remember him being _this_ stupid before. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/77 "2014-05-28T05:08:17Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Dr. Ice to the burn ward, that’s Dr. Ice to the burn ward. > > When did levdrakon go off the deep end? I don’t remember him being _this_ stupid before. Like what? Lavender should get a blog to bitch about her brothers because what the fuck does that have to do with anything? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/78 "2014-05-28T05:27:58Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Like what? Lavender should get a blog to bitch about her brothers because what the fuck does that have to do with anything? Absolutely true. And yet everybody, bar none so far, seems to think you’re the 'tard of the exchange. Why d’you reckon that is, pilgrim ? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/79 "2014-05-28T05:37:02Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Absolutely true. And yet everybody, bar none so far, seems to think you’re the 'tard of the exchange. Why d’you reckon that is, pilgrim ? Pit pile on. Are you new here or something? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/80 "2014-05-28T05:46:22Z")
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