# "Classify the Men's Rights Movement as a terrorist group" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 27, 2014, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395 "2014-05-27T18:41:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![ANT\_Pogo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@ANT\_Pogo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ANT_Pogo)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/121 "2014-05-28T17:06:53Z")
> [@blindboyard](#): > > Please show pictures of MRAs campaigning to stop women doing anything, let alone work in dangerous professions. “Pictures”? What kind of bizarro requirement is that? Anyway, [here’s](http://www.avoiceformen.com/women/wives-demand-what-the-farce-of-household-equality/) one of our old friends at A Voice For Men, lamenting the loss of the Good Old Days when women spent all day indoors cleaning the house and taking care of kids (and were married off as soon as they hit puberty), and complaining that now that women have free time to follow their own pursuits and don’t have to spend all day cooking and cleaning and caring for children, and there are now laws against “marital rape”, that there’s no point in guys getting married any more. Oh, and [here’s](http://www.the-spearhead.com/2013/10/14/why-you-might-want-to-think-twice-about-sending-your-daughter-to-college/) W. F. Price, the founder of the MRA site The Spearhead (Freud would be so proud), declaring that “in most cases higher education is entirely wasted on women”. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/122 "2014-05-28T17:08:40Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Yeah, I start a thread wanting to know why bisexuals suffer from depression, drug abuse, alcoholism and violence… That’s a lie. You started a thread to talk shit about bisexuals, and tried (ineptly) to disguise it as concern trolling. > [@](#): > > …and you get all butthurt because I said I don’t want to sleep with a bi guy married to a woman. That’s also a lie. You never said anything about being hit on by a married man. Not a single word. What you did say, was that bisexual people should only date other bisexual people. And when I asked why, you started talking about brains in jars. > [@](#): > > Eat me, sugar tits. Sorry the world doesn’t revolve around you and your bisexuality. Oh, and you;re safe from me. I don’t fuck idiots. Well, no wonder you can’t get any! You’re premptively excluding the only demographic that would say yes to you! You should try following your own advice, and stick to dating your own kind. > [@](#): > > Go watch a movie screening, theater boy. “Ha ha, you go to the movies!” Seriously, what the fuck? How does that even work as an insult? ---
**Author:** ![ANT\_Pogo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@ANT\_Pogo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ANT_Pogo)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/123 "2014-05-28T17:10:11Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > Except I didn’t post to defend some significant nobody named Dean Esmay: I came to refute your post that misogyny is the root cause of workplace injuries. It’s neither misogyny nor misandry: it’s greed. I never said anything about misogyny being the root cause of workplace injuries. I said that the reason “men’s rights activists” complain about the number of men in dangerous jobs that get killed is purely disingenuous and motivated solely out of a desire to justify their misogyny, and has precisely zip to do with concerns about the men who die doing those hazardous jobs or a desire to promote workplace equality. ---
**Author:** ![ANT\_Pogo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@ANT\_Pogo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ANT_Pogo)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/124 "2014-05-28T17:20:34Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Show me feminists doing the same thing. Seriously - show me a picture of one feminist campaigning \*against \*women working as coal miners. Indeed. But how about some working _for_ women as coal miners? [Women Activism towards Labor Equality in the Coal Fields of Central Appalachia between 1964-1989](http://www.collections.library.appstate.edu/research-aids/women-activism-towards-labor-equality-coal-fields-central-appalachia-between-1964-1989) [Equal Work, Equal Hardship Women Fought To Work As Miners.](http://articles.philly.com/1996-03-10/business/25635293_1_coal-miners-laid-off-miners-coal-jobs) [In the struggle for women’s equality—Women’s bittersweet victory in the coal mines](http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45b/140.html) [Mach Mining Sex Discrimination: Never Hired a Woman in 5 Years](http://chicagoemploymentattorneysblog.com/2011/10/mach-mining-sex-discrimination-never-hired-a-woman-in-5-years.html) [The Shifting Gender of Coal: Feminist Musings on Women’s Work in Indian Collieries](http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00856401.2011.633984#preview) [‘Makers’ shows women’s struggle for equality - “Barbara Burns, seeking higher wages than she could earn in the waitress and cashier positions routinely open to women, fought against sexual harassment as she became one of the first female coal miners in the United States.”](http://news.msn.com/pop-culture/makers-shows-womens-struggle-for-equality) [Bordering on Equality: Women Miners in North America](http://press.anu.edu.au//apps/bookworm/view/Gendering+the+Field:+Towards+Sustainable+Livelihoods+for+Mining+Communities/5521/ch03.xhtml) But I’m sure blindboyard can provide just as many examples of all those “men’s rights activists” doing the same to work for and promote the efforts of women to achieve equality in the coal mining industry. Right, blindboyard? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/125 "2014-05-28T18:14:25Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > [Murderer kills six: 4 men and 2 women. Cause: Misogyny!](http://www.avoiceformen.com/gynocentrism/murderer-kills-6-men-and-2-women-cause-misogyny/) No surprise, remember that Nazi who went to a Jewish community center and shot two gentiles? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/126 "2014-05-28T18:17:01Z")
> [@ANT\_Pogo](#): > > Indeed. > > But how about some working _for_ women as coal miners? See, that’s what I love about this place. You can just throw something out there, and someone else will come along and do all the work. Thanks, **ANT Pogo**! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/127 "2014-05-28T18:17:31Z")
> [@MEBuckner](#): > > And of course there was the petition to [secure resources and funding, and begin construction of a Death Star by 2016](https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/secure-resources-and-funding-and-begin-construction-death-star-2016/wlfKzFkN), which got 34,435 signatures and an [official response from the White House](https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/response/isnt-petition-response-youre-looking). We cannot allow a Death Star gap! ---
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/128 "2014-05-28T18:18:40Z")
> [@blindboyard](#): > > Maybe someday men will only be half of the victims of violent crime, of those killed in workplace accidents, of inmates and suicides, of the homeless… maybe one day feminists will start thinking about normal people, rather than only caring about whether half of every rank of the elite is female. Yup. It’s those wimmenz victimizing the men all the time. Why just last week men were mugged by women at thirty-five times the rate of the opposite! It’s a rare man such as yourself who is even willing to post his opinion on the Dope, so many women shout men down with their viewpoints and their loud typing. Keep fighting! We’re all very impressed with your work! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/129 "2014-05-28T18:21:57Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > These MRA guys are losers - I can’t understand why they’re so desperate to fuck women when they just fucking hate them so much - . I recall an old _Feiffer_ cartoon, just a woman’s talking head (from memory): "Men might insult women. "Men might degrade women. "Men might beat women. "Men might act as if they hate women. "But men don’t hate women. "Men need women. “Men hate needing.” ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/130 "2014-05-28T19:22:04Z")
I couldn’t help but notice **blindboyard** has been starting quite a few threads with rather interesting wordwiews this week: [The American constitution is ineffective](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=724573) > [@](#): > > My position, therefore, is that written constitutions are contrary to the public good and unable to defend freedom. [Why is the law so against squaters?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=724575) > [@](#): > > The law is frequently used to persecute squatters and evict them from their homes. For them to become squatters they must find an abandoned property which isn’t being used and legally gain access. As they bring properties back into use and frequently also removes themselves from the expensive ranks of the unemployed why does the law act against them, and also therefore against the public good? [We live in a meritocracy](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=724512) > [@](#): > > The argument put forward is that the old hereditary elite of the past has been replaced by a class of self-proclaimed beneficiaries of meritocracy whose only real merit is in the straitened climes of academic education. Did I miss the beginning of crazy week or something? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/131 "2014-05-28T19:52:26Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Eliot Rodger also wrote the following within his ‘manifesto’: > > “Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such.” > > I think that’s kind of a misogynistic thing to write. Wow. I’d say that pretty much styles the matter. I retract my psychiatric analysis. To be fair though, half of it was provided by Lucy. Guess a nickel doesn’t buy as much as it used to. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/132 "2014-05-28T20:15:48Z")
> [@wevets](#): > > Yup. It’s those wimmenz victimizing the men all the time. Why just last week men were mugged by women at thirty-five times the rate of the opposite! It’s a rare man such as yourself who is even willing to post his opinion on the Dope, so many women shout men down with their viewpoints and their loud typing. > > Keep fighting! We’re all very impressed with your work! “loud typing” makes me LOL 😛 ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/133 "2014-05-28T22:46:45Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Men’s Rights, that’s funny. Now there’s a group of people who could use some rights for a change. I hope they (we) get them, and I can’t wait to see what they (we) do with them! > [@wevets](#): > > Maybe someday. Do you think we’ll see a man be elected president in our lifetimes? Or run half the Fortune 500 companies? When I get my Men’s Rights I’m hoping to be able to use my new freedom to build something that explodes. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/134 "2014-05-29T00:22:50Z")
I think he was crazy, and “blaming” it on misogyny or whatever else it a bit misguided. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t acknowledge it or say “he can’t be misogynistic because he’s crazy.” But the misogyny was merely a manifestation of his insanity. The important thing about the misogyny isn’t that he was or was not misogynistic, what’s important about it is its role as an indicator of the kinds of societies these people are falling into nowadays. And that says something worth analyzing, much more than the exact nature of what he wrote about before he killed people. While I’m a bit hesitant to draw the parallel, it does somewhat remind of Valerie Solanas. Now, there is a characteristic difference between their works, in that Solanas presented a utopian world for all women, and not some weird narcissistic power fantasy, not to mention the debate that Solanas was deliberately being a bit hyperbolic (or the “satire of the patriarchy” theory). And, of course, despite the tone of her manifesto, Solanas attacked the people she did because she insanely thought they stole the rights to her work, or because they, **specifically** had too much hold over her life, not because they were men or for similar reasons. Regardless, I think it’s important to note that crazy people will latch onto a philosophy and take it to extremes. It’s not particularly important what the philosophy is, **other than how it reflects on the current zeitgeist**. Really, the most we’ve learned about this is that for some reason A Voice for Men published his insane screed without so much as the “I thought it was a joke!” excuse the SCUM Manifesto’s first publisher gave. That is **far** more damning than the non-news that a crazy person happened to take some philosophy to an insane extreme. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/135 "2014-05-29T00:37:53Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > While I’m a bit hesitant to draw the parallel, it does somewhat remind of Valerie Solanas. I was thinking exactly that. Solanas was somewhat less deranged than Rodger perhaps, but it’s a difference of degree more than kind. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/136 "2014-05-29T00:49:08Z")
> [@ANT\_Pogo](#): > > Of all the MRM whines, the one about workplace accidents is probably my favorite. Oh, c’mon, that one’s nothing compared to the child rearing one. That’s the one where MRA’s complain how discriminatory it is that judges are always giving custody of children to women when a couple breaks up. (_“What about the father’s rights?”_) And then the MRA’s turn around and say that women shouldn’t be competing against men for jobs because their primary role is being caregivers for children. (_“It’s only natural order. The men hunted while the women stayed back at the cave.”_) ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/137 "2014-05-29T01:44:32Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Nah, no sweat. As a general rule, I don’t fuck bigots. Tsk, tsk. Don’t be so modest. The heart knows what it wants. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/138 "2014-05-29T02:09:56Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > MRA’s complain how discriminatory it is that judges are always giving custody of children to women when a couple breaks up. (_“What about the father’s rights?”_) And then the MRA’s turn around and say that women shouldn’t be competing against men for jobs because their primary role is being caregivers for children. (_“It’s only natural order. The men hunted while the women stayed back at the cave.”_) Everyone who thinks couples should have equal custody of children also thinks that women shouldn’t compete against men for jobs? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/139 "2014-05-29T03:31:29Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Bear in mind that “Omega” can carry a very different, much more specific connotation in…certain circles. _Thanks_, [Cracked](http://www.cracked.com/article_21189_the-6-most-horrifying-sex-scenes-in-fan-fiction-pt.-4.html)…:eek: (item no. 5, the Teen Wolf/War&Peace crossover fanfic) Da fuck did I just read? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395/140 "2014-05-29T05:27:19Z")
I read the whole article. My response to item 5 was 😮 …I was giggling by the time I hit item 1. I’ve been on the internet too long. I did skip item 6 though…“real people” erotica is squicky to me for some reason. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classify-the-mens-rights-movement-as-a-terrorist-group/689395.md?page=8)