# Classist Wall Street occupiers refuse to share food, bridge gaps with marginalized homeless **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 27, 2011, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956 "2011-10-27T12:22:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2011, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/201 "2011-11-02T18:19:30Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > You wouldn’t happen to have a cite for that, would you? [http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global\_Economy/MK03Dj02.html](http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/MK03Dj02.html) Last paragraph says over 900. ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2011, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/202 "2011-11-02T18:39:21Z")
> [@Pashnish\_Ewing](#): > > Yet, think of how many non-protesting patrons had their lunch experience ruined. Those who participated in the sit-ins should have found a way not to disturb anyone, right **Magiver**? I do not actually know what Magiver agrees or disagrees with. I would personally have a problem if they sat-in that cafe which has nothing to do with the 1% though. Sitting in BofA lobby, I would still feel bad about the average tellers but I would understand them as casualties in the bigger picture. Privates suffering in a war against the generals. As I see it, the protesters are not comparable at all to the sit-ins, civil rights era heroic movement by heroic people they are not. Instead of occupying a place that would lead to them being provocative and in your face, change this or we will never move, every person you arrest will bring 3 more to take my place, I am willing to sacrifice for what I believe, they instead choose a private park and upset the very people they claim they represent. Like when my parachute fails to open because I am not quick enough to hit my spacebar, Epic Fail. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2011, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/203 "2011-11-02T19:44:08Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > It is MAGIVER who thinks a" possible" layoff of 21 people degrades the entire movement. What do you mean “a ‘possible’ layoff”? Are you saying that the news source(I think it was CBS News) made up the story? Please explain your reasoning. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2011, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/204 "2011-11-02T20:11:18Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > [http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global\_Economy/MK03Dj02.html](http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/MK03Dj02.html) Last paragraph says over 900. No, it says there\*\* have been\*\* over 900. > [@](#): > > By October 9, similar demonstrations were either ongoing or had been held in 70 major cities and over 600 communities in the US. Other “Occupy” protests modeled after Occupy Wall Street have occurred in over 900 cities worldwide. Why did you choose to inflate the number? Is the actual number not impressive enough for you? Wouldn’t it be better to stick to facts than make up a number? ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/205 "2011-11-03T00:09:36Z")
Occupy Richmond ends not with a bang but a whimper. [http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/police-use-bulldozers-break-occupy-richmond](http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/police-use-bulldozers-break-occupy-richmond) ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/206 "2011-11-03T00:45:02Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Perhaps you could get someone to read the MAGIVER posts and then explain them to you. I merely responded to those grasps . I suppose all posts should merely respond to the original OP. That would be strange since almost none do. They all wander and morph. Maybe you are new to the Dope and don’t know that. > The occupy movements is a lot bigger than NYC. There are 1000 of them around the world. It is MAGIVER who thinks a" possible" layoff of 21 people degrades the entire movement. That that proves they are selfish people who do not care about anyone else. Yep, protesting in cold miserable weather is a “lark”. Fighting bankers who brought the world economy to its knees, is a selfish act . His “21” number comes from ONE establishment in ONE city—New York. It seems likely to me that that establishment is not an isolated instance. So even if there is just the one, as you say there are 1,000 groups of idiots out there. So, somewhere around 21,000 jobs have been lost thanks to you and you self-appointed World Saviors. Feel free to quibble with the math. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/207 "2011-11-03T00:52:23Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > So, somewhere around 21,000 jobs have been lost thanks to you and you self-appointed World Saviors. As was pointed out, the layoffs were not due to the protestors, but to the actions of the jack-booted police thugs. But you aren’t interested in the facts, just your authoritarian government over-reaction to peaceful protest. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/208 "2011-11-03T01:04:39Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > As was pointed out, the layoffs were not due to the protestors, but to the actions of the jack-booted police thugs. But you aren’t interested in the facts, just your authoritarian government over-reaction to peaceful protest. And why, pray tell, has a police presence been necessary? Come one, I just know you can get this one. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/209 "2011-11-03T01:15:37Z")
> [@L. G. Butts](#): > > So you want to curtail the constitutional right of the protesters to assemble because that is not the primary purpose of parks? Maybe we should create a zone for them to assemble. Somewhere where they can protest to their hearts content without bothering anybody. This would fulfill the letter of the law, which let’s face it, is all that matters.:rolleyes: Nobody’s constitutional right to assemble would be abridged unless there’s something special about using a communal park for your own personal tent city that’s relevant. Parks and streets are used all the time for protests. Cities issue permits for them so the space remains available to everybody for it’s intended use. For example, in my city the tent people are occupying the exact spot that has been used for concerts, political “rail stops”, KKK rallies and every other group that took the time to get a permit. At no time was any of these groups issued a shanty town permit. Where is the confusion here? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/210 "2011-11-03T01:45:37Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > And why, pray tell, has a police presence been necessary? Sure, they had no other choice but to barricade the neighborhood, the impact on local business was just collateral damage. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/211 "2011-11-03T01:56:19Z")
In Detroit there is no police presence. In lots of cities there is no police presence. There is when authorities want confrontation. If you were in charge there would be daily battles. I told you people long ago, before the first confrontation the cops would claim"someone threw a bottle’. That is police talk for lets teach them a lesson. It is BS. The occupations generate business. They get donations and spend them on neighborhood businesses. There was 2800 bucks worth of pizza ordered in NYC early in the occupation by phone. They had orders from people as far away as Egypt. Is that business? Is that money? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/212 "2011-11-03T02:06:29Z")
**magellan01** , **Magiver** do you condemn the Boston Tea Party? Clearly it was illegal, and violated property as you say about these protests. Do you condemn an icon of American history? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/213 "2011-11-03T03:03:15Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > **magellan01** , **Magiver** do you condemn the Boston Tea Party? > > Clearly it was illegal, and violated property as you say about these protests. Do you condemn an icon of American history? That’s funny. I was just going to post something about compartmentalizing a debate in an attempt to slice up a logical argument. You’re trying to take an iconic moment of American history (which consisted of criminal activity) and applying it to this situation in an attempt to justify it. To answer your question, no I would not have approved of the destruction of private property if I were living in that time period just as I wouldn’t approve of someone destroying your property today for similar reasons. Did you think that because something is taught as part of American history that it is approved of in the context of the act? So I’ll ask your question back to you. Is it OK if I destroy your property to get out my message? Is it OK to disturb your neighborhood to get out my message? Is it OK if I and a thousand of my friends take away your neighborhood parks to use for our own political purposes or pitch tents on the public sidewalks in your neighborhood? ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/214 "2011-11-03T03:03:34Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > **magellan01** , **Magiver** do you condemn the Boston Tea Party? > > Clearly it was illegal, and violated property as you say about these protests. Do you condemn an icon of American history? Are you saying that America is ruled by a foreign-born monarch who cares about the needs of a foreign power not of the American people? I didn’t realize you were a birther.😉 ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/215 "2011-11-03T03:52:36Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > In Detroit there is no police presence. That’s simply not true. They keep a couple of cars by it to monitor the circus (appropriately named park in this case) [Detroit Free Press](http://www.freep.com/article/20111029/NEWS05/110290432/Challenges-don-t-deter-Occupy-Detroit-protesters-from-getting-out-their-message) “On most days, a police car or two sits on the edge of the park, monitoring the crowd.” The fact that a city chooses not to enforce laws for a political rally is even more disturbing considering the ramifications of it. How would you like it if David Duke (a supporter of WSO) brings a thousand of his friends to your city takes up residence in public spaces? > [@gonzomax](#): > > In lots of cities there is no police presence. There is when authorities want confrontation. If you were in charge there would be daily battles. > I told you people long ago, before the first confrontation the cops would claim"someone threw a bottle’. That is police talk for lets teach them a lesson. It is BS. > The occupations generate business. They get donations and spend them on neighborhood businesses. There was 2800 bucks worth of pizza ordered in NYC early in the occupation by phone. They had orders from people as far away as Egypt. Is that business? Is that money? Again, 21 jobs lost in NYC. And the fact that a bunch of moon babies had their pizza delivered to a park rather than their parent’s basement is irrelevant. People eat food, film at 11. If the protestors did indeed incur additional munchies by way of their camping activities then the taxes from the 2800 pizzas wouldn’t begin to cover the loss of the 21 jobs or the [million dollars](http://www.theatlanticcities.com/politics/2011/10/occupy-protests-role-of-city/374/) spent on law enforcement. “The NYPD has spent millions on overtime related to the goings-on in Zuccotti Park”. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/216 "2011-11-03T03:58:15Z")
The police should not have done that. They did not spend millions in Detroit. The pizzerias around Zuccotti park have hired 22 people to deliver pizzas to the park and to cook them. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/217 "2011-11-03T06:34:18Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > The police should not have done that. They did not spend millions in Detroit. > The pizzerias around Zuccotti park have hired 22 people to deliver pizzas to the park and to cook them. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/218 "2011-11-03T09:41:19Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Did you think that because something is taught as part of American history that it is approved of in the context of the act? > > So I’ll ask your question back to you. Is it OK if I destroy your property to get out my message? > > Is it OK to disturb your neighborhood to get out my message? > > Is it OK if I and a thousand of my friends take away your neighborhood parks to use for our own political purposes or pitch tents on the public sidewalks in your neighborhood? In this hypothetical, is my neighborhood in Iraq? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/219 "2011-11-03T12:22:04Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > That’s funny. I was just going to post something about compartmentalizing a debate in an attempt to slice up a logical argument. > > You’re trying to take an iconic moment of American history (which consisted of criminal activity) and applying it to this situation in an attempt to justify it. To answer your question, no I would not have approved of the destruction of private property if I were living in that time period just as I wouldn’t approve of someone destroying your property today for similar reasons. > > Did you think that because something is taught as part of American history that it is approved of in the context of the act? > > So I’ll ask your question back to you. Is it OK if I destroy your property to get out my message? > > Is it OK to disturb your neighborhood to get out my message? > > Is it OK if I and a thousand of my friends take away your neighborhood parks to use for our own political purposes or pitch tents on the public sidewalks in your neighborhood? The Boston Tea Party is a celebrated part of American history. As evidenced by the fact current conservative segments of modern society style themselves after it. Since you condemn it, do you condemn groups that celebrate it? to answer your questions. Do I support property destruction? In the situations that justify it. What situations? I freely admit that’s a judgement call. Yes you may disturb my neighborhood and parks if you feel you have a message worthy of it. The Occupiers are facing bitter winter because they believe in their message so much. That’s called Free Speech. **Ibn Warraq** , the non sequitur store called. It said banana. Your argument is invalid. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/220 "2011-11-03T12:27:18Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > That’s simply not true. They keep a couple of cars by it to monitor the circus (appropriately named park in this case) > [Detroit Free Press](http://www.freep.com/article/20111029/NEWS05/110290432/Challenges-don-t-deter-Occupy-Detroit-protesters-from-getting-out-their-message) “On most days, a police car or two sits on the edge of the park, monitoring the crowd.” Yet peace prevails, despite the lack of police barracades that destroy neighborhood businesses. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956.md?page=12)