# Classist Wall Street occupiers refuse to share food, bridge gaps with marginalized homeless **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 27, 2011, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956 "2011-10-27T12:22:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/221 "2011-11-03T16:27:42Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > **Ibn Warraq** , the non sequitur store called. It said banana. Your argument is invalid. Er… you’re the one that compared the OWS to the original Boston Tea Party. By that logic then the Obama administration is comparable to the British government of the time. Now, if the OWS protestors weren’t allowed to vote for their governmental representatives and were complaining about “No taxation without representation” then you’d have a point, but they are and they’re not so you don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/222 "2011-11-03T16:37:32Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Er… you’re the one that compared the OWS to the original Boston Tea Party. > > By that logic then the Obama administration is comparable to the British government of the time. > > Now, if the OWS protestors weren’t allowed to vote for their governmental representatives and were complaining about “No taxation without representation” then you’d have a point, but they are and they’re not so you don’t. Nice try. The thread of this argument goes like this: 1. OWS didn’t get permits, so OWS isn’t legitimate protest, just lawlessness. 2. The original Boston Tea Party didn’t get permits. 3. You’ll figure it out, eventually. Dragging in who is comparable to what, or who got to vote is just obfuscation. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/223 "2011-11-03T17:05:36Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Er… you’re the one that compared the OWS to the original Boston Tea Party. > > By that logic then the Obama administration is comparable to the British government of the time. > > Now, if the OWS protestors weren’t allowed to vote for their governmental representatives and were complaining about “No taxation without representation” then you’d have a point, but they are and they’re not so you don’t. Not Obama, the bankers who really are in control. That is who we protest. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/224 "2011-11-03T17:58:36Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Not Obama, the bankers who really are in control. That is who we protest. “The bankers?” Uh-huh. Anyway, please give the cite for your specific claim of 22 jobs being created. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/225 "2011-11-03T18:33:02Z")
> **[Examiner is back - Examiner.com](https://examiner.com)** > > Examiner.com is the go-to source for millions of people who want to know what's happening in their city. And we're still growing! yep occupy wall Street is good for business. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/226 "2011-11-03T18:36:14Z")
[http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2016551532\_owsecurityfirms23.html](http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2016551532_owsecurityfirms23.html) Yes Occupy WS is creating lots of jobs. far beyond the 21lost claimed by Trumps renter. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/227 "2011-11-03T20:11:56Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > [StockExaminer - AI-Powered Stock Chatbot](http://www.examiner.com/pop-culture-in-hartford/ocupy-wall-street-profitable-for-nyc-pizza-shop-200-pizzas-a-day) > yep occupy wall Street is good for business. I’m sorry but you must not have read the article you’re citing. You claimed: > [@](#): > > The pizzerias around Zuccotti park have hired 22 people to deliver pizzas to the park and to cook them. Nowhere in the article is there any reference to the pizzeria hiring 22 people. Please produce a cite for the claim that pizzerias around Zuccotti Park have hired 22 people or we’ll have to conclude that you either misremembered the article or that you simply made up the figure and hoped you wouldn’t be called to produce proof of it. I’m sure the former is the reason, so please just admit that you made a mistake. We all do. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/228 "2011-11-03T20:38:15Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Yes you may disturb my neighborhood and parks if you feel you have a message worthy of it. The Occupiers are facing bitter winter because they believe in their message so much. That’s called Free Speech. No, that’s not free speech, that’s disturbing the peace. Free speech is a 2 way street, you can’t force others to listen to you. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/229 "2011-11-03T20:43:14Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > No, that’s not free speech, that’s disturbing the peace. Free speech is a 2 way street, you can’t force others to listen to you. Don’t go there and listen. So far you have not. You are whining over and over yet your peace has not been disturbed. If it actually happens to someone, they will be qualified to discuss it. They will actually know what they are talking about. You are making up transgressions to bitch about because you hate those who fight for their rights and a fair system. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/230 "2011-11-03T21:35:55Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Don’t go there and listen. So far you have not. You are whining over and over yet your peace has not been disturbed. If it actually happens to someone, they will be qualified to discuss it. They will actually know what they are talking about. You are making up transgressions to bitch about because you hate those who fight for their rights and a fair system. I don’t know, personally, I find people like this guy not be fighting so much as whining. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrPGoPFRUdc](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrPGoPFRUdc) Personally, I support people like this guy. Admittedly, the fact that he’s an immigrant with a rather thick accent like my father makes me identify with him a lot more than spoiled, stupid college students like the above. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxaUgI0Ascw&feature=related](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxaUgI0Ascw&feature=related) Please tell me though why I should find the moron college student more sympathetic than the Vietnamese fruit vendor who’s been rendered unemployed due the protesters(indirectly or directly depending on your point of view). Also, I’ve asked you repeatedly to provide a cite for this claim > [@](#): > > The pizzerias around Zuccotti park have hired 22 people to deliver pizzas to the park and to cook them. Please do. Or are you going to admit that you either made a mistake because at this point every reasonable person would have to conclude that you either misremembered an article or that you just made up that fact to try and win an internet fight. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/231 "2011-11-03T22:20:16Z")
Why do you think I made a mistake? As usual MAGIVER will thread anything that she thinks even faintly back her horribly slanted hatreds and biases. There are jobs being created and perhaps some lost. The occupations are dealing with much bigger issues,the few exploiting the poor and robbing the treasury. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/232 "2011-11-03T22:27:16Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > \*\*Why do you think I made a mistake? \*\* > As usual MAGIVER will thread anything that she thinks even faintly back her horribly slanted hatreds and biases. There are jobs being created and perhaps some lost. The occupations are dealing with much bigger issues,the few exploiting the poor and robbing the treasury. Er… because I have a functioning brain. You claimed. > [@](#): > > The pizzerias around Zuccotti park have hired 22 people to deliver pizzas to the park and to cook them. When I asked you for a cite for this claim, you provided this link. [http://www.examiner.com/pop-culture-in-hartford/ocupy-wall-street-profitable-for-nyc-pizza-shop-200-pizzas-a-day](http://www.examiner.com/pop-culture-in-hartford/ocupy-wall-street-profitable-for-nyc-pizza-shop-200-pizzas-a-day) Of course, there is not a single mention of anyone being hired. Sorry, but there are only two possible explanations. Either you made a mistake or you lied. Now, once more, please provide a cite showing that 22 people have been hired by the pizzerias surrounding Zuccotti park or come clean and admit that you made a fool of yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/233 "2011-11-03T22:27:52Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Free speech is a 2 way street, you can’t force others to listen to you. So if someone doesn’t want to listen to me, I am not permitted to speak? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/234 "2011-11-03T22:37:06Z")
Back to the OP: [NYPD is hearding drunks, addicts and homeless people to Zuccotti Park](http://gawker.com/5854870/is-nypd-sending-drunk-homeless-people-to-occupy-wall-street) > [@](#): > > The NYPD seems to have crossed a line in recent days, as the park has taken on a darker tone with unsteady and unstable types suddenly seeming to emerge from the woodwork. Two different drunks I spoke with last week told me they’d been encouraged to “take it to Zuccotti” by officers who’d found them drinking in other parks, and members of the community affairs working group related several similar stories they’d heard while talking with intoxicated or aggressive new arrivals. ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/235 "2011-11-03T22:55:13Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Back to the OP: > > [NYPD is hearding drunks, addicts and homeless people to Zuccotti Park](http://gawker.com/5854870/is-nypd-sending-drunk-homeless-people-to-occupy-wall-street) Really? Why would you state it like it was fact? Even the article “asks the question” and lays out some shaky information. A couple of things, it could be true and sanctioned totally inappropriate. It could be true and just a few rogue police officers doing it, which imo is more likely than being policy. He/She can see a homeless guy begging, the cop says move along, if you’re hungry go to the park. Still wrong but I see it as just as likely for smart asses from every walk of life telling the homeless this. And on to the false, [They are just covering themselves since so many seem to be sexual predators.](http://abcnews.go.com/US/sexual-assaults-occupy-wall-street-camps/story?id=14873014#.TrMaHbL3KCU) \* \<\ **Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/236 "2011-11-03T23:00:06Z") > [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Back to the OP: > > [NYPD is hearding drunks, addicts and homeless people to Zuccotti Park](http://gawker.com/5854870/is-nypd-sending-drunk-homeless-people-to-occupy-wall-street) “It really is a brilliant, if supremely scummy, move by NYPD if true. Much has been made of the protest’s embodied nature: They say the micro-community in Zuccotti Park is supposed to represent some ideal version of society where everyone has a say, and the pizza is free. How can they turn away the least-savory of the 99% without basically becoming The Man they’ve spent the last few weeks protesting? The homelessness issue could be Occupy Wall Street’s Animal Farm moment.” If true, it is brilliant - but why “scummy”? Testing the “occupiers”'s principles is “scummy”? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/237 "2011-11-03T23:17:13Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Testing the “occupiers”'s principles is “scummy”? You think that is what motivated the police to herd drunks and homeless guys to the park? Police don’t give a shit about principles. They want to overwhelm the protesters and make life as difficult as possible. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/238 "2011-11-03T23:34:01Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > You think that is what motivated the police to herd drunks and homeless guys to the park? Police don’t give a shit about principles. They want to overwhelm the protesters and make life as difficult as possible. Er…you’re making assumptions that your cite doesn’t support. The writer for the Daily News speculates that the police may be doing this and says a few of the drunks have told him that, but it’s hardly a sure thing. You shouldn’t present certain things as fact when it’s not clear they are. It doesn’t inspire confidence in your analysis or understanding of the situation. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/239 "2011-11-03T23:49:05Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > The writer for the Daily News speculates that the police may be doing this and says a few of the drunks have told him that, but it’s hardly a sure thing. But based on the available evidence, it is more likely than not. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/240 "2011-11-03T23:52:37Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > So if someone doesn’t want to listen to me, I am not permitted to speak? Free speech has nothing to do with occupying public land or disturbing the peace. Nobody is trying to stop these people from speaking. They can turn blue from the exercise and not only does nobody care but we as a society encourage even the stupidest practice of our most valuable right. Look at something as simple as an election season. People meet at houses and meeting halls, go door to door, send emails, make phone calls, chat on the internet, get permits for open air rallys… What they don’t do is take up residence in public places. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956.md?page=13)