# Classist Wall Street occupiers refuse to share food, bridge gaps with marginalized homeless **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 27, 2011, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956 "2011-10-27T12:22:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2011, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/121 "2011-10-29T04:42:43Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Absolutely. New York is such a quiet town . You can not have people making noise there. > Well ,are they? Or is this just you making more shit up that you have no knowledge of? I know the Detroit occupation is not noisy, except for one homeless guy who keeps beating on his drumsticks against the concrete all day. But I am sure he did that before the occupation. I posted a cite. You posted nothing in response to it except your opinion. This is Great Debates. Maybe you could start a thread in My Humble Opinion on the subject. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2011, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/122 "2011-10-29T15:41:23Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I posted a cite. You posted nothing in response to it except your opinion. This is Great Debates. Maybe you could start a thread in My Humble Opinion on the subject. That is so stupid. I have given you my experiences since I actually attended occupation. You on the other hand are sitting in your living room claiming knowledge you do not have. You are making up objections to downplay the occupations. The one giving opinion with no facts ,is you. But the fact that you can not even understand that is stunning. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2011, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/123 "2011-10-29T17:26:21Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > That is so stupid. I have given you my experiences since I actually attended occupation. You on the other hand are sitting in your living room claiming knowledge you do not have. You are making up objections to downplay the occupations. > The one giving opinion with no facts ,is you. But the fact that you can not even understand that is stunning. You drove to New York? Really? Look up at the title of the thread. Wall Street Occupiers. Not whinny Detroit wanna-be occupiers that live near gonzomax. I posted a cite related directly to the thread. It was not by accident. If I wanted to comment on whinny Detroit wanna-be Wall Street occupiers I would have mentioned that their protest of BoA directly helped the bank in their quest to eliminate nuisance depositors. Which is funny given the lack of an actual addressable protest platform. So this begs the question, without an addressable platform when will the “occupiers” decided they’ve won or lost and depart. And when will city administrators decide that occupancy of public space without permits invites an unending line of similar misuse. Some cities have already had enough of the nonsense and dealt with it as they should have on day one. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2011, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/124 "2011-10-29T21:03:10Z")
MAGIVER , I have tried to treat your arguments as real even though you are reaching way, way up your sphincter to come up with them. I went to the General assembly today in Occupy Detroit. It is the loudest thing they do since they use the “peoples mic”. I walked to Woodward which is a perimeter street and could not hear anything. So your argument about noise is as usual, unfounded. So your record is intact. A perfect zero. Funny, you claim some insight while sitting in the middle of Ohio. Yet deny anybody else’s, even if they are involved. You are accepting anything that you imagine buttresses your arguments ,yet so far none have. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2011, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/125 "2011-10-29T23:21:37Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > MAGIVER , I have tried to treat your arguments as real even though you are reaching way, way up your sphincter to come up with them. I went to the General assembly today in Occupy Detroit. It is the loudest thing they do since they use the “peoples mic”. I walked to Woodward which is a perimeter street and could not hear anything. So your argument about noise is as usual, unfounded. So your record is intact. A perfect zero. > Funny, you claim some insight while sitting in the middle of Ohio. Yet deny anybody else’s, even if they are involved. You are accepting anything that you imagine buttresses your arguments ,yet so far none have. I think you missed his point. He has been commenting on the Occupy Wall Street protest, as per the OP. This is on Wall Street…in Manhattan…in New York City…in New York state. You are in Detroit…in the state Michigan. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2011, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/126 "2011-10-29T23:47:08Z")
ENOUGH. Everyone, knock off the personal comments. If this is just going to be one more content free bitch fest, it will be closed and you can all use your own efforts to open a new thread in The BBQ Pit. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/127 "2011-10-30T00:11:51Z")
I’ve never been to New York, but just a quick google… [New York City noise may be deafening](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39858436/ns/health-health_care/t/new-york-city-noise-may-be-deafening/#.TqyVmc3tq_w) > [@](#): > > NEW YORK — The crowds and chaos of Manhattan often give visitors a thrill. It turns out they may also be putting New Yorkers at risk of hearing loss. > > In many parts of Manhattan, just walking the streets during the day exposes people to decibel levels that, over time, can damage people’s ears, according to a study being released Wednesday as part of the International Conference on Urban Health at The New York Academy of Medicine. > [@](#): > > Most readings — even in several small parks meant to be oases of green and calm — were above 70 decibels. People whose daily noise exposure tops an average of 70 decibels can lose some of their hearing over time, said Richard Neitzel, a University of Washington research scientist and another of the study’s authors. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/128 "2011-10-30T00:20:14Z")
Also: [EPA Identifies Noise Levels Affecting Health and Welfare](http://www.epa.gov/aboutepa/history/topics/noise/01.html) > [@](#): > > The document identifies a 24-hour exposure level of 70 decibels as the level of environmental noise which will prevent any measurable hearing loss over a lifetime. Likewise, levels of 55 decibels outdoors and 45 decibels indoors are identified as preventing activity interference and annoyance. These levels of noise are considered those which will permit spoken conversation and other activities such as sleeping, working and recreation, which are part of the daily human condition. So Manhattan is already well in excess of what people consider noisy. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/129 "2011-10-30T01:04:23Z")
OWS which is occupy Wall Street has over 1000 demos. They are called OWS for a reason. I would think the OP was attempting to impugn all of them or he would have been specific. But my counter was to show that all of them are not that way. As a matter of fact the NY-OWS was taking care of the homeless for a long time. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/130 "2011-10-30T03:12:49Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > I’ve never been to New York, but just a quick google… > > [New York City noise may be deafening](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39858436/ns/health-health_care/t/new-york-city-noise-may-be-deafening/#.TqyVmc3tq_w) And yet the local citizens are complaining about the noise. Must be pretty annoying to have a park full of little drummer boys next to you. Again, this movement has no set goals and is driven by people who are draining the local resources with no discernible end in sight. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/131 "2011-10-30T03:27:36Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Also: > > [EPA Identifies Noise Levels Affecting Health and Welfare](http://www.epa.gov/aboutepa/history/topics/noise/01.html) > > So Manhattan is already well in excess of what people consider noisy. Just to give you a fuller picture… I lived and worked in Manhattan for over 4 years, and travel back frequently. And while it is true that it can be VERY noisy, that’s mainly in the heart of the city and then, only during business hours. You can walk around Grand Central Station after 8PM and it’s pretty quiet, except for maybe the 42nd street side. But even there, it will not be loud at all. You leave these main areas and even during the daytime it can be rather quiet. After hours, though, it’s quiet almost all over. If you’re on one of the major avenues you can hear cars and some buses, but that’s about it. Off the avenues, after 6:00, noise is not an issue at all. It’s not like being in the middle of a Nebraska cornfield, but is quiet. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/132 "2011-10-30T03:30:16Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > And yet the local citizens are complaining about the noise. Must be pretty annoying to have a park full of little drummer boys next to you. New York is a loud place. Maybe they should learn to deal, or cite the noise ordnance being violated. > [@](#): > > Again, this movement has no set goals and is driven by people who are draining the local resources with no discernible end in sight. [Occupy Wall Street protesters driven by varying goals](http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/29/nation/la-na-wall-street-protest-20110930) > [@](#): > > On its website, Occupy Wall Street describes itself as a “leaderless resistance movement” drawn from people of all backgrounds and political persuasions. > > “The one thing we all have in common is that we are the 99 percent that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the 1 percent,” the website says. The posters in Zuccotti Park speak to the lack of a narrow platform: “End financial aid to Israel”; “End greed, end poverty, end war”; “No death penalty”; “Tired of racism.” > [@](#): > > “There isn’t a consolidated message, and I don’t think there needs to be,” said Andrew Lynn, 34, who drove the three hours from his home in Troy, N.Y., to help the demonstrators’ media team. > > On Wednesday, he hunched over a laptop sheltered from the clammy air by an umbrella. A generator rumbled beside him, ensuring the group’s activities continued to stream live to audiences. > > Added Kobi Skolnick, a young Israeli American who by Wednesday was in his ninth day of participating in the protest: “I think the main thing we’re doing is knocking on the walls of ignorance in this country so people wake up.” So there you have it. They want to get people thinking. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/133 "2011-10-30T03:47:06Z")
The corruption of the government is not a big problem. The destruction of the world economy, no biggie. But noise. Now that’s a problem. We can not fix the government or the economic system until MAGIVER deals with the perceived noise. And then we have to deal with whether the Wall Street protests function includes feeding the homeless. It was a job for the government in the old days. Now the OWS have to take care of it. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/134 "2011-10-30T03:48:12Z")
“End financial aid to Israel”; “End greed, end poverty, end war”; “No death penalty”; “Tired of racism” is there discernible goals? HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa. Are we suppose to bury them in the park after they die of old age waiting for an end to greed and poverty? The only thing they’re 99 percent of is the moon baby crowd. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/135 "2011-10-30T04:06:14Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > The corruption of the government is not a big problem. The destruction of the world economy, no biggie. But noise. Now that’s a problem. We can not fix the government or the economic system until MAGIVER deals with the perceived noise. > And then we have to deal with whether the Wall Street protests function includes feeding the homeless. It was a job for the government in the old days. Now the OWS have to take care of it. Yes, these protestors are quiet the movers and shakers. So far they’ve asked for rainbows and kittens and in exchange they provide valuable tent cities and noise. Don Quixote moon babies. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/136 "2011-10-30T04:11:34Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > “End financial aid to Israel”; “End greed, end poverty, end war”; “No death penalty”; “Tired of racism” is there discernible goals? HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa. > > Are we suppose to bury them in the park after they die of old age waiting for an end to greed and poverty? The only thing they’re 99 percent of is the moon baby crowd. I gave you an honest answer, that they’re trying to get the country to think about it’s problems. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/137 "2011-10-30T05:29:34Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > I gave you an honest answer, that they’re trying to get the country to think about it’s problems. Well that’s fine but the lack of discernible goals was my point. It’s not like we don’t know there are problems in the world. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/138 "2011-10-30T05:46:00Z")
Well, if their goal was simply to annoy the shit out of you, they’ve done a bang up job. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/139 "2011-10-30T06:59:26Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Well, if their goal was simply to annoy the shit out of you, they’ve done a bang up job. Well me and the other cities where they’ve been invited to leave (by force). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956/140 "2011-10-30T15:23:31Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Well that’s fine but the lack of discernible goals was my point. It’s not like we don’t know there are problems in the world. Yes well clearly we have more problems than usual, problems that wouldn’t have happened if the government was representing the people, not the greediest corporations. For example you’d think passing a law preventing banks from taking the kind of risks that trashed the economy and put a lot of Americans on the street would be an obvious thing. [Volcker Rule, Once Simple, Now Boggles](http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/22/business/volcker-rule-grows-from-simple-to-complex.html?pagewanted=all) > [@](#): > > **“Here’s the key word in the rules: ‘exemption,’ ” former Senator Ted Kaufman, Democrat of Delaware, told me. “Let me tell you, as soon as you see that, it’s pronounced ‘loophole.’** That’s what it means in English.” Mr. Kaufman, now teaching at Duke University School of Law, earlier proposed a tougher version of the Volcker Rule, which was voted down in the Senate. “We’ve been through this before,” he said. “I\*\* know these folks, these Wall Street guys. I went to school with them. They’re smart as hell. You give them the smallest little hole, and they’ll run through it.”\*\* > > “I support the concept of the Volcker Rule,” Representative Peter Welch, Democrat of Vermont, said, “but these rules aren’t going to be effective. We’ve taken something simple and made it complex.\*\* The fact that it’s 300 pages shows the banks pushing back and having it both ways.”\*\* Clearly bankers have more toadies sucking their cock in Congress than the people have actual representatives. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/classist-wall-street-occupiers-refuse-to-share-food-bridge-gaps-with-marginalized-homeless/600956.md?page=8)