# Clean Sweep! Obama - Feb 9 Caucuses/Primaries **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 10, 2008, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clean-sweep-obama-feb-9-caucuses-primaries/437002 "2008-02-10T04:51:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SmackFu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/53a042/32.png) [@SmackFu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmackFu)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clean-sweep-obama-feb-9-caucuses-primaries/437002/21 "2008-02-10T17:52:03Z")
Rah rah. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clean-sweep-obama-feb-9-caucuses-primaries/437002/22 "2008-02-10T17:58:16Z")
[QUOTE=Freudian Slit] Yeah, but the only way he seemed to inspire **Randmcnally** was from tuning to a speech. I’m just not sure what’s meant to be so inspiring about that. [/QUOTE] Did you _hear_ the speech? What’s meant to be so inspiring about speeches is what the speaker _says_. Perhaps you ought to listen to one sometime. ---
**Author:** ![SmackFu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/53a042/32.png) [@SmackFu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmackFu)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clean-sweep-obama-feb-9-caucuses-primaries/437002/23 "2008-02-10T18:01:53Z")
If Hilary gave the same speech, would people say it was inspiring? ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clean-sweep-obama-feb-9-caucuses-primaries/437002/24 "2008-02-10T18:16:18Z")
[QUOTE=SmackFu] If Hilary gave the same speech, would people say it was inspiring? [/QUOTE] How in the hell would I know? The obvious answer is, she _isn’t_ giving the same speech, and that’s the _point_. What she _is_ saying is _not_ inspiring people in the same way that Obama is. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clean-sweep-obama-feb-9-caucuses-primaries/437002/25 "2008-02-10T18:26:23Z")
Meh. Some people are good orators, some people have great speechwriters. I’m just not necessarily sure that being inspiring and giving good soundbites translate into being a good president. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clean-sweep-obama-feb-9-caucuses-primaries/437002/26 "2008-02-10T18:33:17Z")
[QUOTE=Freudian Slit] Because of a few sound bites? I mean, Regan gave great speeches and lots of people listened, but most people here probably would be the first to criticize him. [/QUOTE] But Re **a** gan won. Twice, and not by small margins. If you’re going hard for a Democrat to win, don’t you want to nominate the candidate likeliest to win? Given that every informed opinion appears to be that there really isn’t a lot of difference between Obama and Clinton in hard policy, and there’s no obvious reason to believe one is substantially smarter or more capable than the other, it strikes me as being the case that a person who prefers either HRC or BO to a Republican winning should, logically, choose Obama, who (obviously, at least to me) has a much better chance of winning a general election. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clean-sweep-obama-feb-9-caucuses-primaries/437002/27 "2008-02-10T18:38:13Z")
[QUOTE=Freudian Slit] Meh. Some people are good orators, some people have great speechwriters. I’m just not necessarily sure that being inspiring and giving good soundbites translate into being a good president. [/QUOTE] This is the equivalent of saying, “First Lady is a ceremonial position. Since that’s Hillary’s only experience, then she shoudn’t be President.” It reduces Obama to a caricature painted by the other side. Any reasonable person would actually read Obama’s policies and judge him on his substance, character, and personality–evidence for all of which is available on his website, and in many of his speeches. If policy isn’t your thing, and you don’t want to read his policy plans (which are considerably more detailed than Hillary’s) you might be interested in his discussion of religion and politics, [here](http://obama.senate.gov/podcast/060628-call_to_renewal_1/) . ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clean-sweep-obama-feb-9-caucuses-primaries/437002/28 "2008-02-10T21:08:12Z")
[QUOTE=RickJay] But Re **a** gan won. Twice, and not by small margins. If you’re going hard for a Democrat to win, don’t you want to nominate the candidate likeliest to win? Given that every informed opinion appears to be that there really isn’t a lot of difference between Obama and Clinton in hard policy, and there’s no obvious reason to believe one is substantially smarter or more capable than the other, it strikes me as being the case that a person who prefers either HRC or BO to a Republican winning should, logically, choose Obama, who (obviously, at least to me) has a much better chance of winning a general election. [/QUOTE] BO is my candidate precisely because he is inspring and a great orator. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clean-sweep-obama-feb-9-caucuses-primaries/437002/29 "2008-02-10T21:48:24Z")
Ok, this is funny! > [@](#): > > [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/09/AR2008020902140.html](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/09/AR2008020902140.html) > > [Hillary Clinton] was more than an hour late, and the crowd, stuck in a stuffy high school gym in Arlington, was getting antsy. A campaign staffer took the stage with a big pile of T-shirts to give to those who answered trivia questions about Hillary Clinton. > > Her birthplace? Got it. Her law school? Piece of cake. How much of the country would Clinton’s health plan cover? “All,” came the answer. Okay, final question: “This person is the next president of the United States . . .” > > Suddenly, all around me, the bleachers in the Washington-Lee High School gym shook with shouts of “Obama!” ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clean-sweep-obama-feb-9-caucuses-primaries/437002/30 "2008-02-10T21:56:54Z")
No idea who this Bryan guy is who’s posting [these results for the Maine caucuses on Google](http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=108855644820400443340.000445d3794716293aa9b&z=7&om=0), but if he’s right, we’re going to see the official results start widening more and more, just like we did in yesterday’s contests. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clean-sweep-obama-feb-9-caucuses-primaries/437002/31 "2008-02-10T22:18:02Z")
[QUOTE=Shayna] No idea who this Bryan guy is who’s posting [these results for the Maine caucuses on Google](http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=108855644820400443340.000445d3794716293aa9b&z=7&om=0), but if he’s right, we’re going to see the official results start widening more and more, just like we did in yesterday’s contests. [/QUOTE] Where’s the key to that map? ETA: Nevermind. The list of cities to the left of the map makes it clear what the two colors mean. -FrL- ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clean-sweep-obama-feb-9-caucuses-primaries/437002/32 "2008-02-10T22:21:47Z")
[QUOTE=Frylock] Where’s the key to that map? ETA: Nevermind. The list of cities to the left of the map makes it clear what the two colors mean. -FrL- [/QUOTE] Holy cow, it’s a landslide! Not just going by the colors on the map, but the numbers to the left show just how wide the margin is. Where can I find poll numbers for Texas and Ohio? -FrL- ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clean-sweep-obama-feb-9-caucuses-primaries/437002/33 "2008-02-10T22:22:19Z")
[Latest:](http://thepage.time.com/2008/02/10/maggie-williams-to-become-clintons-campaign-manager/) Obama 57% Clinton 42% That’s an live link, so by the time you click it, those numbers are subject to change. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clean-sweep-obama-feb-9-caucuses-primaries/437002/34 "2008-02-10T22:24:12Z")
[Clinton is replacing her campaign manager.](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4269776&page=1) ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clean-sweep-obama-feb-9-caucuses-primaries/437002/35 "2008-02-10T22:30:42Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] [Clinton is replacing her campaign manager.](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4269776&page=1) [/QUOTE] Doesn’t that make her look like she’s losing? What kind of campaign manager would allow for such a move? 😛 -FrL- ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clean-sweep-obama-feb-9-caucuses-primaries/437002/36 "2008-02-10T22:33:36Z")
[QUOTE=Frylock] Where can I find poll numbers for Texas and Ohio? [/QUOTE] No clue. But Obama was just endorsed by yet another Texas Newspaper: [ul][li][The El Paso Times recommends that El Pasoans voting in the March 4 Democratic presidential primary cast their votes for Barack Obama](http://www.elpasotimes.com/opinion/ci_8219179).[/ul][/li] Earlier, I posted in another thread that he was endorsed by the [San Antonio Express-News](http://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/editorials/stories/MYSA021008.02O.Obama2ed.23f14e3.html). All these endorsements, her having to loan her campaign money, and now replacing her campaign manager, added to all of the decisive victories Obama’s been enjoying the past 2 days, I think puts the writing on the wall. She’s toast. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clean-sweep-obama-feb-9-caucuses-primaries/437002/37 "2008-02-10T22:33:54Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] [Clinton is replacing her campaign manager.](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4269776&page=1) [/QUOTE] Just heard that on NPR..Interesting - certainly can’t be a positive when the campaign manager get’s fired. Don’t know yet how it will effect her campaign. Hey Shayna! ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clean-sweep-obama-feb-9-caucuses-primaries/437002/38 "2008-02-10T22:38:52Z")
Chalk up one more win for Obama over Clinton. . . > [@](#): > > [Grammy update: Craig Thompson and the Shins lose, but Barack Obama wins! - oregonlive.com](http://blog.oregonlive.com/popmusic/2008/02/grammy_update_craig_thompson_l.html) > > Obama beats Clinton! No, not H. Clinton – W.J. Clinton, a.k.a. Bill, for the best spoken word Grammy. Barack Obama won for the audio recording of “The Audacity Of Hope: Thoughts On Reclaiming The American Dream.” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clean-sweep-obama-feb-9-caucuses-primaries/437002/39 "2008-02-10T22:39:12Z")
[QUOTE=Shayna] She’s toast. [/QUOTE] I’m not going to believe that until she’s beheaded, staked through the heart, mouth filled with garlic, lips sewn shut with silver wire and buried at a crossroads at a new moon by nuns. But from your keyboard to Og’s Mighty Ears! ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clean-sweep-obama-feb-9-caucuses-primaries/437002/40 "2008-02-10T22:42:57Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] I’m not going to believe that until she’s beheaded, staked through the heart, mouth filled with garlic, lips sewn shut with silver wire and buried at a crossroads at a new moon by nuns. [/QUOTE] Hahahahahaahahahaha!!! Too funny!!! 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clean-sweep-obama-feb-9-caucuses-primaries/437002.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clean-sweep-obama-feb-9-caucuses-primaries/437002.md?page=3)