# Clenching your buttocks during a Terry stop? Prepare for your anal probing. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 6, 2013, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clenching-your-buttocks-during-a-terry-stop-prepare-for-your-anal-probing/673255 "2013-11-06T17:25:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clenching-your-buttocks-during-a-terry-stop-prepare-for-your-anal-probing/673255/101 "2013-11-08T15:24:13Z")
> [@DoctorJ](#): > > The more I think about it, the more I think there has to be more to this story. I just can’t believe that a hospital would let this happen. Reading between the lines, it seems to have become SOP at this hospital. Culturally widespread. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clenching-your-buttocks-during-a-terry-stop-prepare-for-your-anal-probing/673255/102 "2013-11-08T15:26:39Z")
> [@Kimballkid](#): > > Bolding mine. > > It’s a lawsuit, which is a civil matter, so it would be a win-win for the Plaintiff. Although, given the circumstances, i would like to see it also become a criminal matter, if that’s legally possible. ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clenching-your-buttocks-during-a-terry-stop-prepare-for-your-anal-probing/673255/103 "2013-11-08T15:30:40Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > I would, too, but I have a hard time imagining how a different point of view would change much. Maybe they probed him only twice instead of thrice? Only stuck a scope a foot up his cathedral, not two feet? Yeah, that makes all the difference. They can’t really deny the procedures - they billed him for them. If there’s a different side to things, it likely lies in that; wouldn’t they bill the police for such exams normally? If they tried and the police refused to pay… ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clenching-your-buttocks-during-a-terry-stop-prepare-for-your-anal-probing/673255/104 "2013-11-08T15:38:41Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > I would, too, but I have a hard time imagining how a different point of view would change much. Maybe they probed him only twice instead of thrice? Only stuck a scope a foot up his cathedral, not two feet? Yeah, that makes all the difference. The hospital could claim he consented to the procedures. That would be about it. And if he signed consent, they might get away with it because then the attorney would need to prove he signed the consent because he was under duress. But that might be successfully argued, they have the first ER doc. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clenching-your-buttocks-during-a-terry-stop-prepare-for-your-anal-probing/673255/105 "2013-11-08T17:45:46Z")
Suppose the police enter your home with a warrant, rip the place apart looking for your stash (probable cause, and all that, the guy next door saw something questionable and called it in), find nothing, and leave you with a terrible mess to straighten up? Kind of a similar thing – do you have recourse? ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clenching-your-buttocks-during-a-terry-stop-prepare-for-your-anal-probing/673255/106 "2013-11-08T17:46:17Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I can’t believe this kind of thing could happen to someone who wasn’t a woman wanting an abortion. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > What, this sort of forced and humiliating intrusion into someone’s body by the state is wrong and open to abuse of power by people who simply want to harass? What? > > Gawrsh, it seemed like it was so fair when we did it to rape victims who wanted abortions. > > This just seems like a horrendous thing to do to a person, you know, because a \*guy \*is involved. Who _wasn’t_ a rape victim until the forced anal probing by the state. > > Gee, do you really want your government mandating fingers and objects inserted into your nether regions? > > I don’t. You’re a little late, **Marley23** already did it much better in post #26. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clenching-your-buttocks-during-a-terry-stop-prepare-for-your-anal-probing/673255/107 "2013-11-08T18:08:23Z")
> [@DoctorJ](#): > > The more I think about it, the more I think there has to be more to this story. I just can’t believe that a hospital would let this happen. If I tried to do a procedure like this on a mentally competent patient who was vocally protesting and not giving consent, I’d have the hospital’s legal team so far up my ass that I’d need a scope myself just to get them out. > > It’s all possible, I suppose, but I’d really like to hear the hospital’s side of things. I suppose it’s possible that the judge/police told him he had to consent and he was compliant at the hospital. I would probably not scream and struggle in that case in a poor attempt to preserve a little dignity. But I would call a lawyer the second I could. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clenching-your-buttocks-during-a-terry-stop-prepare-for-your-anal-probing/673255/108 "2013-11-08T18:34:55Z")
The most surreal part of this whole story is the victim being charged for the procedures. Reminds me of a scene in Brazil, where (iirc) a widow gets charged for her husband’s torture. I probably got that wrong- it’s high time I rewatched. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clenching-your-buttocks-during-a-terry-stop-prepare-for-your-anal-probing/673255/109 "2013-11-08T18:40:01Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > Only stuck a scope a foot up his cathedral, not two feet? Either way I still bet you see a flying buttress. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clenching-your-buttocks-during-a-terry-stop-prepare-for-your-anal-probing/673255/110 "2013-11-08T18:46:05Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > The most surreal part of this whole story is the victim being charged for the procedures. Reminds me of a scene in Brazil, where (iirc) a widow gets charged for her husband’s torture. I probably got that wrong- it’s high time I rewatched. In China if someone is executed, the family gets a bill for the bullet. ---
**Author:** ![DJ\_Motorbike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90ced4/32.png) [@DJ\_Motorbike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DJ_Motorbike)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clenching-your-buttocks-during-a-terry-stop-prepare-for-your-anal-probing/673255/111 "2013-11-08T19:33:07Z")
The government has the authority to force you to buy something and call it a tax, so I don’t understand why anyone is surprised over the $6000 hospital bill. It’s completely within government’s authority to force you to buy a colonoscopy. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clenching-your-buttocks-during-a-terry-stop-prepare-for-your-anal-probing/673255/112 "2013-11-08T19:35:43Z")
> [@bup](#): > > Reading between the lines . . . . . . or the somethings . . . ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clenching-your-buttocks-during-a-terry-stop-prepare-for-your-anal-probing/673255/113 "2013-11-08T19:36:47Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > The most surreal part of this whole story is the victim being charged for the procedures. Reminds me of a scene in Brazil, where (iirc) a widow gets charged for her husband’s torture. I probably got that wrong- it’s high time I rewatched. Yes, but, actually, the plot point is that she got a refund check because he turned out to be the wrong man, and died under the torture. (“It’s not my fault Buttle’s heart condition didn’t appear in Tuttle’s file!”) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clenching-your-buttocks-during-a-terry-stop-prepare-for-your-anal-probing/673255/114 "2013-11-08T19:42:51Z")
> [@DJ\_Motorbike](#): > > The government has the authority to force you to buy something and call it a tax, so I don’t understand why anyone is surprised over the $6000 hospital bill. It’s completely within government’s authority to force you to buy a colonoscopy. Nominations for Most Pathetic Hijack Attempt Award for the SDMB 2013 are now closed. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clenching-your-buttocks-during-a-terry-stop-prepare-for-your-anal-probing/673255/115 "2013-11-08T20:20:23Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Nominations for Most Pathetic Hijack Attempt Award for the SDMB 2013 are now closed. Of course they include Marley’s on this very thread. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clenching-your-buttocks-during-a-terry-stop-prepare-for-your-anal-probing/673255/116 "2013-11-08T20:20:30Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > I suppose it’s possible that the judge/police told him he had to consent and he was compliant at the hospital. I would probably not scream and struggle in that case in a poor attempt to preserve a little dignity. But I would call a lawyer the second I could. Agreed. Perhaps that’s why they billed him personally. Not that that lets them off the hook. Even if they get off legally, they might still be in trouble with medical licensing bodies. Consent should be informed consent, and unnecessary procedures are mandated against. The complaint says that consent was not given, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he didn’t sign a form under duress or without being properly told what he was signing. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clenching-your-buttocks-during-a-terry-stop-prepare-for-your-anal-probing/673255/117 "2013-11-08T20:40:20Z")
> [@Doctor\_Why\_Bother](#): > > The thing that galls me the most is that they _charged him for the bloody privilege!_. On what fucked up logic could they possibly justify _that?_ Confess! Before you ruin your credit rating! ---
**Author:** ![Gagundathar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a183cd/32.png) [@Gagundathar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gagundathar)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clenching-your-buttocks-during-a-terry-stop-prepare-for-your-anal-probing/673255/118 "2013-11-08T20:51:15Z")
Is it noteworthy that the victim of this crime (and it is my layman’s belief that it was, in fact, a crime) waited 10 months before his attorney released the information to the press? Did it take that long for the guy to find an attorney, or did the attorney attempt to settle out of court or was it something else? ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clenching-your-buttocks-during-a-terry-stop-prepare-for-your-anal-probing/673255/119 "2013-11-08T21:03:42Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > In China if someone is executed, the family gets a bill for the bullet. Oh, not this again! Are you being serious? Do you really believe this? (If the family can’t afford to pay does the man go free?) Ok, give me a minute to compose myself… OK, Cite? People will believe anything. I think I am going to start an urban legend in Europe: In America if you get sick and can’t afford to pay for health care you can go broke and lose your house. Really. It’s true. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clenching-your-buttocks-during-a-terry-stop-prepare-for-your-anal-probing/673255/120 "2013-11-08T21:19:31Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Yes, but, actually, the plot point is that she got a refund check because he turned out to be the wrong man, and died under the torture. (“It’s not my fault Buttle’s heart condition didn’t appear in Tuttle’s file!”) There was also a scene in the original that was cut for the American release. After Sam is arrested he has a few quick meetings; one is a financial officer discussing payment plans that Sam can use for his own interrogation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clenching-your-buttocks-during-a-terry-stop-prepare-for-your-anal-probing/673255.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clenching-your-buttocks-during-a-terry-stop-prepare-for-your-anal-probing/673255.md?page=7)