# Cleveland Browns turnaround bandwagon **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 5, 2018, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cleveland-browns-turnaround-bandwagon/820813 "2018-09-05T17:53:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2018, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cleveland-browns-turnaround-bandwagon/820813/141 "2018-10-29T05:26:50Z")
I read that the Browns are one more road loss away from tying the all-time record for consecutive losses on the road. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2018, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cleveland-browns-turnaround-bandwagon/820813/142 "2018-10-29T15:44:52Z")
Why is Hue Jackson still the head coach? I mean, seriously? He’s clueless. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2018, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cleveland-browns-turnaround-bandwagon/820813/143 "2018-10-29T15:52:47Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > Why is Hue Jackson still the head coach? I mean, seriously? He’s clueless. ESPN’s fantasy app is reporting that Jackson was just fired. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2018, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cleveland-browns-turnaround-bandwagon/820813/144 "2018-10-29T15:59:42Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > Why is Hue Jackson still the head coach? I mean, seriously? He’s clueless. > [@dalej42](#): > > ESPN’s fantasy app is reporting that Jackson was just fired. Wow. I have the power! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Clawdio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d07c76/32.png) [@Clawdio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clawdio)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2018, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cleveland-browns-turnaround-bandwagon/820813/145 "2018-10-29T16:50:12Z")
I wonder what the clash with Haley was about? And why Haley would win out with the front office over the head coach? Presumably its the handling of Mayfield? ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2018, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cleveland-browns-turnaround-bandwagon/820813/146 "2018-10-29T17:11:56Z")
Haley has been fired as well. Don’t have a link yet, but just got an alert from the NFL app. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2018, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cleveland-browns-turnaround-bandwagon/820813/147 "2018-10-29T17:14:47Z")
So Hue and Haley are both out. Well, that’s surprising. And yet, not. It does seem like the team is getting worse. Apparently they will just hit the reset button yet again. ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2018, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cleveland-browns-turnaround-bandwagon/820813/148 "2018-10-29T17:26:26Z")
Browns figured out in 8 games what it took the Steelers 85 to realize: Haley is a suboptimal coach. This shows a perspicacity uncommon to the Browns. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2018, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cleveland-browns-turnaround-bandwagon/820813/149 "2018-10-29T17:56:12Z")
Let’s point out one simple fact: organizational dysfunction at this level is a reflection of ownership. Can we get the NFL to fire the owners and hire new ones? Cleveland deserves better. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2018, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cleveland-browns-turnaround-bandwagon/820813/150 "2018-10-29T18:14:43Z")
Wonder if this is the return of Gregg Williams to head coaching. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2018, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cleveland-browns-turnaround-bandwagon/820813/151 "2018-10-29T18:22:57Z")
Was he ever an NFL head coach? In any case, he’s the only reason I can’t jump on the Browns turnaround wagon. He’s a despicable thing masquerading as a human being and shouldn’t be allowed to be in the league, even as a consessions cashier. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2018, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cleveland-browns-turnaround-bandwagon/820813/152 "2018-10-29T18:34:58Z")
Williams? He was HC in Buffalo a couple of seasons in the early 00’s, IIRC. It did not go well, but, to be fair, it’s Buffalo; HC gigs rarely go well for anyone not named Marv Levy there. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2018, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cleveland-browns-turnaround-bandwagon/820813/153 "2018-10-29T19:07:25Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > Williams? He was HC in Buffalo a couple of seasons in the early 00’s, IIRC. It did not go well, but, to be fair, it’s Buffalo; HC gigs rarely go well for anyone not named Marv Levy there. Yup, that was his only previous head coaching gig, from 2001-2003. His overall record there was 17-31, though he did get the Bills to 8-8 in 2002. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2018, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cleveland-browns-turnaround-bandwagon/820813/154 "2018-10-29T19:42:22Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > Williams? He was HC in Buffalo a couple of seasons in the early 00’s, IIRC. It did not go well, but, to be fair, it’s Buffalo; HC gigs rarely go well for anyone not named Marv Levy there. Good thing he’s not in Buffalo, but in Cleveland where HC careers thrive. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2018, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cleveland-browns-turnaround-bandwagon/820813/155 "2018-10-29T21:11:08Z")
In a truly unusual move from Cleveland, it took them a mere 8 games to realize what it took Pittsburgh 85 games to figure out: Todd Haley sucks. He’s a garbage person who endlessly wastes the talent he’s given. Half a season of HaleyBall and they had enough. I wish Pittsburgh had done the same before they wasted so much talent for so long. As for Hue, it’s too bad, he seems a nice guy, but that doesn’t win games. ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2018, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cleveland-browns-turnaround-bandwagon/820813/156 "2018-10-29T21:16:48Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > A team that went 1-31 in the last two seasons that now has two wins, a tie and four overtime games out of 7 total games this season isn’t a mark of a coach losing the locker room or the team giving up. Quite the contrary, in fact. > > If the Browns fire Jackson _ **now** _, it would be extremely bizarre. well we get to see how this pans out…….is any of the understaff a point of inspiration? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2018, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cleveland-browns-turnaround-bandwagon/820813/157 "2018-10-29T21:17:54Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > As for Hue, it’s too bad, he seems a nice guy, but that doesn’t win games. That’s what Jeff Fisher’s problem was too. Everyone loved him and nobody ever had anything bad to say about him but he just couldn’t win. The Rams ditched him and their first season without him they won the division, second season without him and they’re the best team in football. Too bad Sean McVay can’t be head coach of two teams at once. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cleveland-browns-turnaround-bandwagon/820813/158 "2018-10-30T04:36:48Z")
Fact of the day: no team in the last 40 years has had a +11 turnover ratio and a losing record. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cleveland-browns-turnaround-bandwagon/820813/159 "2018-10-30T06:01:37Z")
The timing of the firings is quite odd. The Browns are up for getting an ass pounding next week against KC, then they have their bye. Why hire an interim coach just to take that beating, when you could let the current coach take the beating (and then fire them in the wake of it) and then give the new interim coach the bye week to prepare? ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cleveland-browns-turnaround-bandwagon/820813/160 "2018-10-30T06:36:43Z")
If you know you’re going to fire the coach, why keep him around any longer than absolutely necessary? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cleveland-browns-turnaround-bandwagon/820813.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cleveland-browns-turnaround-bandwagon/820813.md?page=9)