# Climate change deniers like Anthony Watts and the Republican leadership got a boot to the head.

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**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\
**Post date:** [October 28, 2011, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-deniers-like-anthony-watts-and-the-republican-leadership-got-a-boot-to-the-head/601041/1 "2011-10-28T05:00:36Z")

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[http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/10/20/349544/berkeley-temperature-study-results-confirm-global-warming/](http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/10/20/349544/berkeley-temperature-study-results-confirm-global-warming/)

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> If there is any news here it is that Watts has been demonstrated once and for all to be an “anti-scientist” — not just someone who routinely smears scientists, but someone who represents the negation of the scientific method. No facts can change his conclusions. He is a science rejectionist — and an uber-hypocritical one, as we’ll see.
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> Watts had famously promised “I’m prepared to accept whatever result they produce, even if it proves my premise wrong.“ He and other deniers even started working with BEST to influence the outcome, as I first reported here: “Bombshell: Climate Science deniers claim to have full access to Berkeley temperature study work-product — and are now working with the Berkeley team!”
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> But BEST just released a whole paper devoted to debunking Watts’ life work – his effort to smear climate scientists by accusing them of knowingly using bad temperature stations to rig their results. NOAA had debunked Watts 2 years ago (see here), of course. But now it’s friendly fire trained on Watts.
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> Watts is the person on the Internet most responsible for viciously smearing scientists and spreading disinformation on global warming, particularly disinformation on the surface temperature record. He infamously coauthored a “report” accusing top U.S. scientists of various kinds of misfeasance and malfeasance in the global temperature record. It was utterly debunked last March (see Wattergate: Tamino debunks “just plain wrong” Anthony Watts). As Tamino wrote, “your use of false claims to accuse NOAA scientists of deliberate deception was not just mistaken, it was unethical.”
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> Watts never retracted the attacks. Instead, on Memorial Day 2010, Watts directly questioned the patriotism of both Tamino and Rabett (see “Peak readership for anti-science blogs?“) leading Tamino to write, “This just might be the most loathsome thing Watts has yet done with his blog.”
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> But it wasn’t. Just this March, Watts published this absurd statement:
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> > many of the best AGW scientists are willing to lie, cheat, and steal to push their personal AGW agenda
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> Yet WattsUpWithThat offered not one single fact or link to back up that deplorable falsehood.
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> But now Watts has exploded because BEST has released its results before completing peer review! Talk about the pot calling the kettle “unscientific.” Why should peer review matter to Watts? The peer-reviewed literature has disproved everything he has ever written.
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> Watts laughably titles his post, “The Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project puts PR before peer review” failing to get that this headline eviscerates his entire climate career. He has always put PR before peer review. Indeed, he has made a career out of attacking the peer review process, publishing numerous posts this year attacking it directly!

Muller had started BEST to audit the climate data because he swallowed the ideas that Watts and others have regarding Climategate. Muller had commended the “fine” people at WattsUpWithThat before for pointing at the “manipulation” of the data by the climate scientists that was “revealed” in the Climategate scandal, this accusation of conspiracy by the climate scientists BTW was huge news 2 years ago, but as for the current debunking of that made by the most important skeptic? As John Stewart pointed out 2 days ago, the McRibb coming back at McDonalds was bigger news…

> **[WATCH: Jon Stewart Rips Media For Ignoring 'Climategate' Debunking](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jon-stewart-climategate-debunkin-media-mcrib_n_1034792)**
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> WATCH: Jon Stewart Rips Media For Ignoring 'Climategate' Debunking

Coming up next, we will see (almost all!) those Republicans in congress that stopped any meaningful measures to control emissions because they believed in that false conspiracy to do the right thing…

Yeah, I would like a pony too..

[http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v478/n7370/full/478428a.html](http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v478/n7370/full/478428a.html)

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> Global warming is really happening — really. There was no conspiracy or cover-up. Peer review did not fail and the scientists who have spent decades working out the best way to handle and process data turned out to know how to handle and process data after all. Thank you Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature (BEST) study.  
> Four papers released by the BEST team at the University of California, Berkeley, last week are of undoubted interest to the media, given that they support what is portrayed as the mainstream scientific position on climate change. They could also find traction in politics, especially in the United States, where they could be used to combat the assertions of Republicans, who have effectively tossed climate science away. But the headline scientific conclusion, that a century and a half of instrumental measurements confirm a warming trend, is, well, all a little 1990.

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**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\
**Post date:** [October 28, 2011, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-deniers-like-anthony-watts-and-the-republican-leadership-got-a-boot-to-the-head/601041/2 "2011-10-28T06:05:13Z")

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This is a thing you always get worked up about, and I don’t see why. The debate over the human role in global climate change isn’t really a scientific one at this point. It’s been pretty clearly established. The people who deny it don’t deny it for scientific reasons. They deny it because, if it’s true, to fight global warming will be expensive and require some pretty major lifestyle changes, and that’s something that’s politically and psychologically unacceptable for a lot of people. So, it’s not a matter of what the scientific evidence shows, and they’re not going to change their opinions.

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**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\
**Post date:** [October 28, 2011, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-deniers-like-anthony-watts-and-the-republican-leadership-got-a-boot-to-the-head/601041/3 "2011-10-28T06:39:27Z")

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> [@Captain\_Amazing](#):
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> This is a thing you always get worked up about, and I don’t see why.

Before it was moon hoaxers, then 9/11 truthers, the reason is the same: when the overwhelming evidence goes one way the stupid burns too much, and when it is allied with political leanings it is worse, because thanks to the efforts and inaction of politicians, some are preventing many changes from becoming reality.

> [@Captain\_Amazing](#):
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> The debate over the human role in global climate change isn’t really a scientific one at this point. It’s been pretty clearly established. The people who deny it don’t deny it for scientific reasons. They deny it because, if it’s true, to fight global warming will be expensive and require some pretty major lifestyle changes, and that’s something that’s politically and psychologically unacceptable for a lot of people. So, it’s not a matter of what the scientific evidence shows, and they’re not going to change their opinions.

However, even there, there is evidence that most of the assumptions like “mayor lifestyle changes will be needed”, are not as serious as a good number of deniers want to make it be.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/369h-SEBXd8?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque  
[Worlds fastest street legal ELECTRIC CAR 1972 Datsun 1200 White Zombie.]

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**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\
**Post date:** [October 28, 2011, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-deniers-like-anthony-watts-and-the-republican-leadership-got-a-boot-to-the-head/601041/4 "2011-10-28T15:27:42Z")

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There is BTW a connection of this with the current protests going on in the USA:

[http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/10/21/349858/occupy-wall-street-movement-energizes-climate-protesters-but-also-highlights-contradictions/](http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/10/21/349858/occupy-wall-street-movement-energizes-climate-protesters-but-also-highlights-contradictions/)

Regarding Republican inaction, I think this researcher that got to talk at a recent conservative climate conference (mostly a denialist meet), that was organized by the Heartland Institute has it. He told the mostly polite crowd (with connections to big business) that their inaction will hurt them more in the future so they should stop listening to the denialists and begin to offer solutions instead of offering just inaction.

> **[Scott Denning: Reaching Across the Abyss](https://skepticalscience.com/scott-denning-reaching-across-abyss-iccc6-heartland-conference.html)**
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> Going virtually unnoticed in the climate science world (except for skeptic blogs and certain fair minded mainstream scientists), from June 30 - July 1, 2011, an international conference on the subject of climate change took place in Washington DC,...

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> One of the few highlights was the talk given by Scott Denning (video), who, by walking into the skeptic lion’s den, deserves great credit for his continued attempts at reaching his paws across the abyss that separates those who favor large scale action on climate change, and those who don’t.
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> His talk began by hitting three messages to resonate with the audience. Paraphrasing, they are 1) Everyone should understand how the climate works - meandering over minute details is a waste of time. Why? 2) Because the climate will change and policy WILL be enacted, eventually. How does this matter to his audience? 3) The political right has been virtually non-existent in its participation in establishing what that policy will be.
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> In an earlier post published here at SkS, my message for Libertarians was essentially the same.
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> > I would suggest they research real free market solutions that deal with the first principles of Libertarian thought. Otherwise, this policy argument will move on without them. It’s time for Libertarians to get on board and bring their principles along too.

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> The point to Denning’s talk was to lay out a challenge for those who advocate for the free market. And that challenge is to develop effective solutions that match the breadth the problem ahead of us. According to one of his final slides:
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> > Who will advocate for effective solutions?
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> To which he emphatically answered, in a questioning voice:
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> > "Do you think Greenpeace is going to advocate for this?!? Is that what you are waiting for?!? Evidentially..."
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> In big, bold letters, the challenge was issued:
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> > When will you stand up and offer solutions?
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> And again, emphatically, aloud:
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> > “Are you cowards?!?”

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**Author:** ![Hbns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hbns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hbns)\
**Post date:** [October 28, 2011, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-deniers-like-anthony-watts-and-the-republican-leadership-got-a-boot-to-the-head/601041/5 "2011-10-28T16:23:02Z")

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> [@Captain\_Amazing](#):
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> They deny it because, if it’s true, to fight global warming will be expensive and require some pretty major lifestyle changes, and that’s something that’s politically and psychologically unacceptable for a lot of people. So, it’s not a matter of what the scientific evidence shows, and they’re not going to change their opinions.

And to fight it well requires being proactive and never seeing really seeing what your dollars are buying. Essentially operating on faith that the predictions based on the science are true and accurate and that the dollars being spent on mitigation solutions are working as intended. I can understand why a lot of people have a hard time swallowing this pill. I can’t understand why right wing fundamentalists have an especially hard time swallowing it. Taking things on faith should be right in their wheelhouse.

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**Author:** ![lalenin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@lalenin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lalenin)\
**Post date:** [October 28, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-deniers-like-anthony-watts-and-the-republican-leadership-got-a-boot-to-the-head/601041/6 "2011-10-28T17:19:19Z")

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So what the fuck is being pitted?

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**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\
**Post date:** [October 28, 2011, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-deniers-like-anthony-watts-and-the-republican-leadership-got-a-boot-to-the-head/601041/7 "2011-10-28T17:40:03Z")

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> [@lalenin](#):
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> So what the fuck is being pitted?

Either the many willfully ignorant or cowardly conservatives in power that are not doing anything regarding this issue.

And the pied pipers like Anthony Watts.

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**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\
**Post date:** [October 28, 2011, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-deniers-like-anthony-watts-and-the-republican-leadership-got-a-boot-to-the-head/601041/8 "2011-10-28T17:58:36Z")

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> [@Captain\_Amazing](#):
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> This is a thing you always get worked up about, and I don’t see why. The debate over the human role in global climate change isn’t really a scientific one at this point. It’s been pretty clearly established. The people who deny it don’t deny it for scientific reasons. They deny it because, if it’s true, to fight global warming will be expensive and require some pretty major lifestyle changes, and that’s something that’s politically and psychologically unacceptable for a lot of people. So, it’s not a matter of what the scientific evidence shows, and they’re not going to change their opinions.

How would you feel if most of the Republican candidates for President were moon-landing hoaxers and wanted to shut down NASA because they supposedly lied about it? This is like that, but worse, since losing NASA would lose a lot of science, but losing the global warming debate might lose our civilization and the lives of hundreds of millions if low lying areas like Bangladesh flood.

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**Author:** ![Dread\_Pirate\_Jimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dread_pirate_jimbo/32/3897_2.png) [@Dread\_Pirate\_Jimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dread_Pirate_Jimbo)\
**Post date:** [October 28, 2011, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-deniers-like-anthony-watts-and-the-republican-leadership-got-a-boot-to-the-head/601041/9 "2011-10-28T18:21:45Z")

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The problem, as pointed out in the OP, is that the unwashed, stupid masses and the politicians have already made up their minds on this topic and consider any evidence presented now, no matter how overwhelming, to be irrelevant. Those people have moved on to more important topics, like the McRib (Mmmmmm… McRib) and they don’t want to hear about this latest bit of evidence. They believe what they choose to believe and that’s that. Which is sad.

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**Author:** ![Hbns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hbns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hbns)\
**Post date:** [October 28, 2011, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-deniers-like-anthony-watts-and-the-republican-leadership-got-a-boot-to-the-head/601041/10 "2011-10-28T21:00:51Z")

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> [@GIGObuster](#):
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> Either the many willfully ignorant or cowardly conservatives in power that are not doing anything regarding this issue.
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> And the pied pipers like Anthony Watts.

Still waiting for a second thing to go with your “either”. 😃

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**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\
**Post date:** [October 28, 2011, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-deniers-like-anthony-watts-and-the-republican-leadership-got-a-boot-to-the-head/601041/11 "2011-10-28T21:45:24Z")

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> [@Hbns](#):
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> Still waiting for a second thing to go with your “either”. 😃

The choice was for these two things: \*willfully ignorant \*\*\*or \*\*_cowardly_ (there is a difference among republicans, I do think that most do know what is happening, but they go the way of the coward and tell their followers what they want to hear). But yeah, I said before my grammar is a crime against nature :), as for the real clime against nature, on the other side of the pond guys like the “I’m only an interpreter of science and no, I do not read scientific papers” Delingpole are also getting the boot.

[http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2011/10/the\_berkeley\_earth\_surface\_tem.php](http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2011/10/the_berkeley_earth_surface_tem.php)

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> James Delingpole has taken a different approach:
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> > In the first half of his piece, Professor Muller sets up his straw man. He does so by ascribing to "skeptics" views that they don't actually hold. Their case, he pretends for the sake of his wafer-thin argument, rests on the idea that the last century's land-based temperature data sets are so hopelessly corrupt that they have created the illusion of global warming where none actually exists.
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> > No it doesn't. It has been a truth long acknowledged by climate sceptics, deniers and realists of every conceivable hue that since the mid-19th century, the planet has been on a warming trend - emerging, as it has been, from a widely known phenomenon known as the Little Ice Age.
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> Compare with one James Delingpole, just last year:
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> > Global Warming: is it even happening?
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> > Check out this magisterial report by our old friends Joseph D'Aleo and Anthony Watts and judge for yourself. In brief: the surface temperature records are such a mess that they simply can't be trusted.
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> > ```

Items like this are important because one of the excuses now from weasels like Watts is to claim that “this is old news” and “skeptics” like them \*\*always \*\*claimed to accept that the earth was warming, that is bullshit, doubt was and is their product.

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**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\
**Post date:** [October 28, 2011, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-deniers-like-anthony-watts-and-the-republican-leadership-got-a-boot-to-the-head/601041/12 "2011-10-28T21:57:55Z")

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> [@Dread\_Pirate\_Jimbo](#):
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> The problem, as pointed out in the OP, is that the unwashed, stupid masses and the politicians have already made up their minds on this topic and consider any evidence presented now, no matter how overwhelming, to be irrelevant.

Aren’t you wrong since public opinion re: global warming has gone up and down over the years and libs have been wringing their hands because it’s been nose diving ever since that e-mail faux scandal a couple years back?

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**Author:** ![Dread\_Pirate\_Jimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dread_pirate_jimbo/32/3897_2.png) [@Dread\_Pirate\_Jimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dread_Pirate_Jimbo)\
**Post date:** [October 28, 2011, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-deniers-like-anthony-watts-and-the-republican-leadership-got-a-boot-to-the-head/601041/13 "2011-10-28T22:26:34Z")

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> [@marshmallow](#):
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> Aren’t you wrong since public opinion re: global warming has gone up and down over the years and libs have been wringing their hands because it’s been nose diving ever since that e-mail faux scandal a couple years back?

I may be wrong insofar as there might be a few people remaining on the fence who are falling onto one side or the other (mostly the wrong side lately due to things like the e-mail faux scandal). Beyond that, though, it seems to me that most people have decided that either this is actually happening and is likely a Very Bad Thing or this is a giant global conspiracy by the greedy international supervillain science community to extort money from poor, innocent oil companies. Generally, they would much rather discuss the menu at McDonalds or what Lindsay Lohan has been up to lately than read any other information on the topic of global warming.

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**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\
**Post date:** [October 29, 2011, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-deniers-like-anthony-watts-and-the-republican-leadership-got-a-boot-to-the-head/601041/14 "2011-10-29T07:36:04Z")

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> [@Voyager](#):
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> How would you feel if most of the Republican candidates for President were moon-landing hoaxers and wanted to shut down NASA because they supposedly lied about it? This is like that, but worse, since losing NASA would lose a lot of science, but losing the global warming debate might lose our civilization and the lives of hundreds of millions if low lying areas like Bangladesh flood.

I wouldn’t like it, but I also wouldn’t expect them to admit we landed on the moon just because another study came out showing we did.

Look, anybody who’s reasonably intelligent and has seen the evidence knows that global warming exists. I know it, you know it, Mitt Romney knows it. Mr. Watts knows it. **Hbns** in this thread knows it. People do not deny global warming exists because they don’t believe it exists. They deny global warming exists because they think lying about it benefits them. And in a lot of cases it does benefit them. They get an awful lot of money for denying it.

So showing that Watts is wrong isn’t really notable. Of course he’s wrong. Everyone knows he’s wrong. He knows he’s wrong.

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**Author:** ![Ibanez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a4c791/32.png) [@Ibanez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibanez)\
**Post date:** [October 29, 2011, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-deniers-like-anthony-watts-and-the-republican-leadership-got-a-boot-to-the-head/601041/15 "2011-10-29T10:33:21Z")

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I’m not one of the deniers. I do think GW is happening and man has played a role in it. But I think it’s no where near the catastrophic levels the chicken little crowd is squalking about. It’s become way to politicized now and the actions of those scientists during climate gate kind of sealed it’s fate for me.

Call me when a town on a coast line starts slipping into the ocean, then I’ll be concerned. That’ll probably be in a couple of 1000 years.

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**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\
**Post date:** [October 29, 2011, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-deniers-like-anthony-watts-and-the-republican-leadership-got-a-boot-to-the-head/601041/16 "2011-10-29T13:22:48Z")

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> [@Ibanez](#):
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> I’m not one of the deniers. I do think GW is happening and man has played a role in it. But I think it’s no where near the catastrophic levels the chicken little crowd is squalking about. It’s become way to politicized now and the actions of those scientists during climate gate kind of sealed it’s fate for me.

Big Al Gore sigh… 🙂

First, all the investigations and audits demonstrated those those “actions” were just human wishful thinking typed on private emails. The right wing media and many clueless reporters on the mainstream pumped up accusations that where **not true** against the scientists.

> **[What do the 'Climategate' hacked CRU emails tell us?](https://skepticalscience.com/Climategate-CRU-emails-hacked.htm)**
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> \<p\>While some of the private correspondance is not commendable, an informed examination of their 'suggestive' emails reveal technical discussions using techniques well known in the peer reviewed literature. Focusing on a few suggestive emails merely...

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> A number of independent investigations from different countries, universities and government bodies have investigated the stolen emails and found no evidence of wrong doing. Focusing on a few suggestive emails, taken out of context, merely serves to distract from the wealth of empirical evidence for man-made global warming.

As I pointed out so many times in the past, when contrarians find what really happened in Climategate they usually don’t demand to their sources of information to explain why their reports screwed with the truth so much and made others believe in falsehoods like the one you are talking about here, instead of demanding that your sources to do it better or that [they report the clarifications and exoneration with the same strength as they reported the “scandal”](http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/05/09/208050/vindicating-climate-science/) or choosing to dump their sources for not being reliable, I just expect you to continue to ignore the evidence.

> [@Ibanez](#):
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> Call me when a town on a coast line starts slipping into the ocean, then I’ll be concerned. That’ll probably be in a couple of 1000 years.

> **[How much will sea levels rise in the 21st Century?](https://skepticalscience.com/sea-level-rise-predictions.htm)**
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> Observed sea levels are actually tracking at the upper range of the IPCC projections. When accelerating ice loss from Greenland and Antarctica are factored into sea level projections, the estimated sea level rise by 2100 is between 75cm to 2 metres.

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> What the science says…  
> Observed sea levels are actually tracking at the upper range of the IPCC projections. When accelerating ice loss from Greenland and Antarctica are factored into sea level projections, the estimated sea level rise by 2100 is between 75cm to 2 metres.

> **[Rising seas will affect major US coastal cities by 2100, new research finds](http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/02/110215081742.htm)**
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> Rising sea levels could threaten an average of 9 percent of the land within 180 US coastal cities by 2100, according to new research. The research is the first analysis of vulnerability to sea-level rise that includes every US coastal city in the...

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**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\
**Post date:** [October 29, 2011, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-deniers-like-anthony-watts-and-the-republican-leadership-got-a-boot-to-the-head/601041/17 "2011-10-29T13:47:49Z")

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It’s snowing before Halloween for the first time in my 45 years.

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**Post date:** [October 29, 2011, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-deniers-like-anthony-watts-and-the-republican-leadership-got-a-boot-to-the-head/601041/18 "2011-10-29T13:57:43Z")

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> [@Scylla](#):
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> It’s snowing before Halloween for the first time in my 45 years.

#346.

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**Post date:** [October 29, 2011, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-deniers-like-anthony-watts-and-the-republican-leadership-got-a-boot-to-the-head/601041/19 "2011-10-29T14:19:51Z")

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> [@Scylla](#):
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> It’s snowing before Halloween for the first time in my 45 years.

> [@Richard\_Parker](#):
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> #346.

Number 23 actually 🙂

> **[Arguments from Global Warming Skeptics and what the science really says](https://skepticalscience.com/argument.php)**
>
> Examines the science and arguments of global warming skepticism. Common objections like 'global warming is caused by the sun', 'temperature has changed naturally in the past' or 'other planets are warming too' are examined to see what the science...

> **[Does cold weather disprove global warming?](https://skepticalscience.com/global-warming-cold-weather-intermediate.htm)**
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> \<p\>Since the mid 1970s, global temperatures have been warming at around 0.2 degrees Celsius per decade. However, weather imposes its own dramatic ups and downs over the long term trend. We expect to see record cold temperatures even during global...

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> Since the mid 1970s, global temperatures have been warming at around 0.2 degrees Celsius per decade. However, weather imposes its own dramatic ups and downs over the long term trend. We expect to see record cold temperatures even during global warming. Nevertheless over the last decade, daily record high temperatures occurred twice as often as record lows. This tendency towards hotter days is expected to increase as global warming continues into the 21st Century.

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**Post date:** [October 29, 2011, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-deniers-like-anthony-watts-and-the-republican-leadership-got-a-boot-to-the-head/601041/20 "2011-10-29T14:29:32Z")

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> [@Scylla](#):
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> It’s snowing before Halloween for the first time in my 45 years.

It snowed even earlier (and harder) in October back in the 1970s here in Boston. But i don’t know where you live.

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