# Climate change: "You are among the last people that will ever walk the Earth." **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 22, 2013, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-you-are-among-the-last-people-that-will-ever-walk-the-earth/651096 "2013-02-22T18:27:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-you-are-among-the-last-people-that-will-ever-walk-the-earth/651096/21 "2013-02-22T23:52:40Z")
The expected increase in temperature by 2100 is controversial; I think a rise of 5- or 6-degree (C) is a pessimistic bound. But that’s by 2100; the linked-to blog claims to expect such a rise by 2050, which IMO makes it worthless as a source. However… > [@ITR\_champion](#): > > It says that a 5-degree (C) temperature rise is “is more than enough for the oceans to swallow our cities, stop all food from growing, and doom to extinction every species short of the cockroach.” Actually it won’t. The place I live in Virginia averages a certain temperature in the summer. There are many places on earth where the summer temperatures of 5 degrees higher. People, animals, and plants survive there just fine. I see that others in the thread beat me to it but … I’m afraid that it is you, **ITR champion** , who displays ignorance here. Have you actually read scientific discussions about climate change and temperature details? There are several important mechanisms which may fail at a net rise of 5-degree (C) or less. Some experts think that rise is enough to cause the Amazon forest’s rain cycle to fail. I won’t insult you by asking if you know whether that would be a serious problem. I don’t know what the best non-pay cite for that claim is; [Here’s a pdf on the topic](http://quercus.igpp.ucla.edu/teaching/papers_to_read/cox_etal_nat_00.pdf). To give just one more example, a rise of even 3-degree has been suggested as sufficient to begin “irreversible melting of Greenland’s ice cover” – again a serious catastrophe if it happens. Somewhat mysterious is that the Earth was much warmer millions of years ago than it is today, yet “everything turned out OK.” 😃 But discussion of that “mystery” deserves its own thread. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2013, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-you-are-among-the-last-people-that-will-ever-walk-the-earth/651096/22 "2013-02-23T00:18:16Z")
> [@Strassia](#): > > On what do you base the bolded claim? If 99 out of 100 people dropped dead (even if over an extended time) civilization would grind to a halt. Some new civilization may arise from the ruins, but it would knock us back centuries in technology, governance, and infrastructure. 99 maybe. But 90? We’d be just fine, as civilization goes, especially if it was the “right” 90% who died off. The rest would get to breeding and we’d be back in the ballgame in no time. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2013, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-you-are-among-the-last-people-that-will-ever-walk-the-earth/651096/23 "2013-02-23T00:34:21Z")
> [@ITR\_champion](#): > > Those who live on a low-lying island or in some of the world’s hottest places may want to consider moving, if they haven’t done so already. Or governments could check out how the Netherlands manages with 20 percent of the land below sea level. I’m not saying the US is rich enough to build dikes for 20 percent of our land mass. We aren’t. But our below sea level land is unlikely to reach that percent. Another possibility is geoengineering. Today it sounds way too risky. But if the situation gets dire enough, the risks start looking better. Personally, I use electrified rail transit, rarely fly, and generally try to hold down energy use. So does my wife. But at a society level, I see pretty limited benefit in what we are doing. Dramatically lower consumption would mean lower fuel prices, which means higher consumption. Eventually all the easily recoverable petroleum will be burnt anyway. Will dragging out the process, which is essentially the environmentalist plan, really help much? It seems to me that the benefits of trying to hold back emissions are much more uncertain than the benefits of building dikes. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2013, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-you-are-among-the-last-people-that-will-ever-walk-the-earth/651096/24 "2013-02-23T02:24:27Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > _Humanity_ will survive. If we as a race were able to survive ice ages, mastodons, and saber-tooth tigers, we’ll be able to survive global warming. Probably but not necessarily; we’ve never lived in the conditions that appear to be coming. And if civilization permanently falls (due to the climate no longer being stable enough for large scale agriculture for example) then it’s entirely possible we’ll eventually evolve away from intelligence and become just another animal. > [@silenus](#): > > 99 maybe. But 90? We’d be just fine, as civilization goes, especially if it was the “right” 90% who died off. The rest would get to breeding and we’d be back in the ballgame in no time. We’d lose most of civilization with that kind of die off; even ignoring the inevitable chaos, we’d no longer have the population to support the plethora of specialists we do now. And “we’d just breed back” presumes that there’s enough food in that hypothetical future to _support_ more people. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2013, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-you-are-among-the-last-people-that-will-ever-walk-the-earth/651096/25 "2013-02-23T02:40:27Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Somewhat mysterious is that the Earth was much warmer millions of years ago than it is today, yet “everything turned out OK.” 😃 But discussion of that “mystery” deserves its own thread. Yes, but humanity has spent its entire existence in an [Ice Age](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternary_glaciation). It would be hard to adapt. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2013, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-you-are-among-the-last-people-that-will-ever-walk-the-earth/651096/26 "2013-02-23T03:07:44Z")
> [@ITR\_champion](#): > > I can’t get to the magazine article, but the blog post is an example of hysteria that turns off many people from environmental causes. It says that a 5-degree (C) temperature rise is “is more than enough for the oceans to swallow our cities, stop all food from growing, and doom to extinction every species short of the cockroach.” Actually it won’t. The place I live in Virginia averages a certain temperature in the summer. There are many places on earth where the summer temperatures of 5 degrees higher. People, animals, and plants survive there just fine. > > Those who live on a low-lying island or in some of the world’s hottest places may want to consider moving, if they haven’t done so already. This post is astounding. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2013, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-you-are-among-the-last-people-that-will-ever-walk-the-earth/651096/27 "2013-02-23T03:23:59Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > And “we’d just breed back” presumes that there’s enough food in that hypothetical future to _support_ more people. It also presumes the women would either lose access to birth control or want to have children. The former seems to me unlikely unless we were down to less than a million people – probably far less. And it’s complete speculation to think that women would want to have more than two children. As for the OP “SCIENCE POPE,” his schtick is less like Benedict and more like old testament prophets predicting that various cities and countries would become ruins. What I get from his screed is – repent or die. One thing that grates on me a bit: Why is is only the government that has to repent. What about people who buy houses that aren’t walking distance from work, use airplanes, see the USA in their Prius, eats meat (takes much more prime cropland to feed a person), and buy organic produce (also takes more cropland, although not nearly as bad as beef). I’d like it better if he called on individuals to repent, although, as I wrote a few posts above in favoring seawalls, I also want government action. > [@silenus](#): > > 99 maybe. But 90? We’d be just fine, as civilization goes, especially if it was the “right” 90% who died off. Wow. Who are the right 90 percent? Africans or Europeans? The Israelis or the Palestinians? I’d say, and I’d hope almost everyone would say, their neither is remotely right. If there really is a major world food crisis, for whatever reason (could be a volcano) where the problem isn’t distribution, but massive lack of food, it is the responsibility of the rich countries to – I believe it would be temporary – slaughter almost all the farm animals, and go vegetarian. This would result in a lot more food right away, and then roughly double food production. Politically, of course, convincing democratic peoples of the need would be a problem. The more sudden the crisis, the more likely, I think, that strong measures would be enacted. ---
**Author:** ![Kepler1571](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/db5fbb/32.png) [@Kepler1571](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kepler1571)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2013, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-you-are-among-the-last-people-that-will-ever-walk-the-earth/651096/28 "2013-02-23T05:34:18Z")
> [@Strassia](#): > > On what do you base the bolded claim? If 99 out of 100 people dropped dead (even if over an extended time) civilization would grind to a halt. Some new civilization may arise from the ruins, but it would knock us back centuries in technology, governance, and infrastructure. Technology would collapse, but that’s not the same thing as civilization. Tools aren’t good or evil, but they’re just tools, don’t think for a minute they’re of the same order as the hand that wields them. It would be ironic (and maybe as high as 50/50, after the initial shock wave from the dieoff) that we follow this rich tech / poor culture civ with a poor tech / rich culture civ. ---
**Author:** ![Kepler1571](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/db5fbb/32.png) [@Kepler1571](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kepler1571)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2013, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-you-are-among-the-last-people-that-will-ever-walk-the-earth/651096/29 "2013-02-23T05:36:32Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Wow. Who are the right 90 percent? P. J. O’Rourke answered this years ago in his travel piece on Bangladesh. “Just enough of me; way too many of you.” 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2013, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-you-are-among-the-last-people-that-will-ever-walk-the-earth/651096/30 "2013-02-23T07:15:45Z")
> [@Kepler1571](#): > > It would be ironic (and maybe as high as 50/50, after the initial shock wave from the dieoff) that we follow this rich tech / poor culture civ with a poor tech / rich culture civ. Say what? We’ve a very rich culture. Low technology equates to an impoverished culture; they’ve neither the luxury nor the capacity for much beyond survival. ---
**Author:** ![Kepler1571](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/db5fbb/32.png) [@Kepler1571](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kepler1571)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-you-are-among-the-last-people-that-will-ever-walk-the-earth/651096/31 "2013-02-24T18:39:40Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Say what? We’ve a very rich culture. Low technology equates to an impoverished culture; they’ve neither the luxury nor the capacity for much beyond survival. We have lots of stuff. Whether we are a “rich culture” is in the eyes of the beholder. A rich culture isn’t an unalloyed good. It’s generally based on severe inequality and an un-self-conscious elititism. The forces that flatten out social inequity also tend to reduce everything to consumerist entertainment. That’s one of life’s paradoxes – there’s a law of conservation of quality: it can either be evenly distributed to reduce misery or concentrated to enrich culture for the very few at the top. Presumably which you prefer depends on your seat at the table. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-you-are-among-the-last-people-that-will-ever-walk-the-earth/651096/32 "2013-02-24T18:55:45Z")
> [@Kepler1571](#): > > We have lots of stuff. Whether we are a “rich culture” is in the eyes of the beholder. > > A rich culture isn’t an unalloyed good. It’s generally based on severe inequality and an un-self-conscious elititism. The forces that flatten out social inequity also tend to reduce everything to consumerist entertainment. That’s one of life’s paradoxes – there’s a law of conservation of quality: it can either be evenly distributed to reduce misery or concentrated to enrich culture for the very few at the top. > > Presumably which you prefer depends on your seat at the table. I don’t need to assume, many on the top decided that to have a workable society they have to then accept higher taxes and to deal with tragedies of the commons (like the case in point), so then societies can continue. The problem comes when infotainemt like FOX appears into the picture to give a voice to the irresponsible elites that would profit from the commons tragedy that is the subject here. > **[93% of Fox News climate change coverage misleading](https://skepticalscience.com/news.php?n=1650)** > > I've just had an article What happened to climate change? Fox News and the US elections published in The Conversation that examines the reality inversion promoted by News Corporation. Here's an excerpt: > [@](#): > > An analysis of prime time programs on Fox News has found that 93% of their coverage of climate science in 2012 was misleading. The report, published by the Union of Concerned Scientists, analysed six months of prime time segments covering climate change in early 2012. > > The Wall Street Journal, News Corporation’s other media flagship, didn’t fare much better. The report also included WSJ opinion pieces over the last year and found 81% of their climate change coverage was misleading. > > To characterise this coverage as biased doesn’t capture the magnitude of their treatment of climate science. News Corporation is promoting an inversion of reality. For the past several decades, there has been a strengthening scientific consensus that humans are causing global warming. > > Surveys of the climate science community since 1996 have found the percentage of climate scientists agreeing on human-caused global warming has steadily increased to the point where in the last few years, several independent surveys have found 97% agreement among actively publishing climate scientists. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-you-are-among-the-last-people-that-will-ever-walk-the-earth/651096/33 "2013-02-24T21:45:20Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Obviously, those who don’t believe in manmade climate change will dismiss this, but I’m wondering what those who believe in it (apparently a majority in most polls I’ve seen) think. Should we even be having kids at this point? I can answer that for you: NO! Absolutely not! If you believe in manmade climate change, you shouldn’t ever have children. Think of the carbon footprint those little rugrats have. Do it for the environment. P.S. This thead is nucking futs. Why are you guys talking about losing 99 / 100 people and “after the dieoff”. It’s not like a tsunami is literally going to hit CA and wipe out DC and NYC overnight, killing everyone there. Even if the ocean rose 40 feet, most of us would not be affected (my sympathies to NOLA and the beachfront property owners), especially if it happens over a period of decades, giving those affected plenty of time to move out of its path or make adjustments a la the Netherlands. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-you-are-among-the-last-people-that-will-ever-walk-the-earth/651096/34 "2013-02-24T21:54:05Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I can answer that for you: NO! Absolutely not! If you believe in manmade climate change, you shouldn’t ever have children. Think of the carbon footprint those little rugrats have. Do it for the environment. > > P.S. This thead is nucking futs. Why are you guys talking about losing 99 / 100 people and “after the dieoff”. It’s not like a tsunami is literally going to hit CA and wipe out DC and NYC overnight, killing everyone there. Even if the ocean rose 40 feet, most of us would not be affected (my sympathies to NOLA and the beachfront property owners), especially if it happens over a period of decades, giving those affected plenty of time to move out of its path or make adjustments a la the Netherlands. That is “nice”, but most of the ones replying are critical of the OP (specifically the so called “Pope of science”), so take that “you guys” wide brush elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-you-are-among-the-last-people-that-will-ever-walk-the-earth/651096/35 "2013-02-24T23:02:47Z")
Good thing we’re on a 17-year-and-going temperature standstill, even with an increase in CO2…it’s giving us a break. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-you-are-among-the-last-people-that-will-ever-walk-the-earth/651096/36 "2013-02-24T23:12:31Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Good thing we’re on a 17-year-and-going temperature standstill, even with an increase in CO2…it’s giving us a break. And that is still a fallacious statement. > **[Did global warming stop in 1998, 1995, 2002, 2007, 2010?](https://skepticalscience.com/global-cooling-january-2007-to-january-2008-intermediate.htm)** > > \2007's dramatic cooling is driven by strong La Nina conditions which historically has caused similar drops in global temperature. It is also exacerbated by unusually low solar activity.\ > [@](#): > > What the science says… > > Global temperatures continue to rise steadily beneath the short-term noise. The fallacy is to continue to assume that natural cycles that are still active are not masking the rise that is still there. https://www.youtube.com/embed/u_0JZRIHFtk?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque Bottom line, recent la nina years, that are colder in a cycle and are used by many misleading sources to claim that there is an inexplicable pause, are getting warmer, as well as the other years in a cycle. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-you-are-among-the-last-people-that-will-ever-walk-the-earth/651096/37 "2013-02-24T23:27:02Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > And that is still a fallacious statement. > > The fallacy is to continue to assume that natural cycles that are still active are not masking the rise that is still there. > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player\_embedded&v=u\_0JZRIHFtk](http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=u_0JZRIHFtk) > > Bottom line, recent la nina years, that are colder in a cycle and are used by many misleading sources to claim that there is an inexplicable pause, are getting warmer, as well as the other years in a cycle. You’d better tell R. Pachauri, he’s just said that in Australia. I only posted the data, didn’t mention reasons or anything, just facts. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-you-are-among-the-last-people-that-will-ever-walk-the-earth/651096/38 "2013-02-24T23:27:36Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > P.S. This thead is nucking futs. Why are you guys talking about losing 99 / 100 people and “after the dieoff”. It’s not like a tsunami is literally going to hit CA and wipe out DC and NYC overnight, killing everyone there. Even if the ocean rose 40 feet, most of us would not be affected (my sympathies to NOLA and the beachfront property owners), especially if it happens over a period of decades, giving those affected plenty of time to move out of its path or make adjustments a la the Netherlands. So? That won’t save humanity from a mass dieoff if agriculture collapses, or if the worst-case scenario of continent-sized “hypercanes” pans out. And you are grossly underestimating the effects of a massive rise in sea level. > [@Kepler1571](#): > > We have lots of stuff. Whether we are a “rich culture” is in the eyes of the beholder. > > A rich culture isn’t an unalloyed good. It’s generally based on severe inequality and an un-self-conscious elititism. The forces that flatten out social inequity also tend to reduce everything to consumerist entertainment. That’s one of life’s paradoxes – there’s a law of conservation of quality: it can either be evenly distributed to reduce misery or concentrated to enrich culture for the very few at the top. > > Presumably which you prefer depends on your seat at the table. That’s nonsense. The entertainments of the self-described “elite” aren’t any more inherently sophisticated or noble than that of the common people; both the poor and the rich are as likely to enjoy garbage. It’s just that the poor can’t afford anything much better. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-you-are-among-the-last-people-that-will-ever-walk-the-earth/651096/39 "2013-02-24T23:40:25Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > You’d better tell R. Pachauri, he’s just said that in Australia. > I only posted the data, didn’t mention reasons or anything, just facts. Not all the facts as usual. Bottom line, Pachuri still reports that the warming is there and it will get worse as the cycles are not getting lower in temperature from the rise in temperature caused by human CO2. If what you reported is not misleading, **the following bit that still reports that human emissions need to be curbed to prevent cycles from getting warmer has to be reported also** , it is exactly the same as the time back in the 70’s when popular media reported that there was a pause and an ice age could come. Problem was that the media did not report properly who where the “climatological Cassandras” that reported that, and then researchers that looked at the past papers found out that in reality a super majority of papers predicted that warming was coming after that cycle in the 70’s would go away. So most scientists were correct, what we have nowadays is more confirmation that what natural cycles are hiding do not give us a reason to be complacent. If you can not explain properly why la nina years continue to get warmer (as it is all the warming from the last 3 or so cycles observed after the 70’s) then it is clear that just repeating this 17 year pause is only made by shady sources only to mislead people on what we need to do to control the current driver of the rise in temperature. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-you-are-among-the-last-people-that-will-ever-walk-the-earth/651096/40 "2013-02-24T23:59:42Z")
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