# Climate Scientists are Mass Murderers!!!One1
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-scientists-are-mass-murderers-one1/620909
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [May 4, 2012, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-scientists-are-mass-murderers-one1/620909 "2012-05-04T18:46:13Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)
#### Post date: [May 4, 2012, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-scientists-are-mass-murderers-one1/620909/1 "2012-05-04T18:46:13Z")
Wow.
My OP sucks because I am just too dumbfounded to actually do it justice. I am sure that being speechless will pass, so I am putting this in the pit so I can come back and use the words “fucking assholes” when I get over it.
[Heartland Institute compares climate scientists to Ted Kaczynski, Fidel Castro, Osama bin Laden and Charles Manson.](http://content.usatoday.com/communities/greenhouse/post/2012/05/billboards-liken-belief-in-climate-change-to-mass-murder/1#.T6QjFutYuNY)
Fuckers.
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### Author:  [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)
#### Post date: [May 4, 2012, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-scientists-are-mass-murderers-one1/620909/2 "2012-05-04T19:11:28Z")
Okay, this is absolutely priceless. It’s so ridiculous I’m even finding it hard to get angry about it. From the OP’s link:
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> “The most prominent advocates of global warming aren’t scientists,” Heartland’s president, Joseph Bast, said in a news release. “They are Charles Manson, a mass murderer; Fidel Castro, a tyrant; and Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber.” He said other “global warming alarmists” who may appear on future billboards include Osama bin Laden and James J. Lee, who took hostages inside the headquarters of the Discovery Channel in 2010.
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> On its website, the group says it chose these “madmen” because what they’ve said “differs very little from what spokespersons for the United Nations, journalists for the “mainstream” media, and liberal politicians say about global warming.”
Yes folks, anything that evil people believe must be wrong, no matter what the actual evidence about the subject is or who else believes it!
Did you know that Adolf Hitler (oh come on, this thread was bound to go there eventually, why not now?) was a believer in _personal hygiene_?! Yes folks, this evil dictator and genocidal despot bathed at least daily! Hitler’s position on bathing differs very little from what the “mainstream” media and the Center for Disease Control say about hygiene, which I think tells you all you need to know about **that**.
Coming up: Fidel Castro brushes his teeth, and the late Chairman Mao turned off the lights when he wasn’t using them. _ **DON’T BE LIKE THESE MADMEN!!** _
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### Author:  [@OldnCrinkly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldnCrinkly)
#### Post date: [May 4, 2012, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-scientists-are-mass-murderers-one1/620909/3 "2012-05-04T19:19:13Z")
I hate anyone or anything “Heartland”. The phrase just grates on me. No one ever claims to live in Liverland or Pancreasland. Neither of which is nearly as replaceable or “riggable” as a heart. At least they aren’t claiming to be Brainland. If you have to make allusions to “hearts” or emotional issues right upfront in your name, I feel justified in discounting whatever claims you make. So, thats just my opinion.
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### Author:  [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)
#### Post date: [May 4, 2012, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-scientists-are-mass-murderers-one1/620909/4 "2012-05-04T19:29:30Z")
I think the only proper response to the “Heartland Institute” is laughter.
Slap your thigh, tears rolling down your cheeks, straight out laughter.
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### Author:  [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)
#### Post date: [May 4, 2012, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-scientists-are-mass-murderers-one1/620909/5 "2012-05-04T19:31:25Z")
Seems very Rovian. Take one of your weaknesses (actions likely to eventually lead to death and misery on a massive scale) and pin it on your opponents. Reality be damned!!
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### Author:  [@Dread\_Pirate\_Jimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dread_Pirate_Jimbo)
#### Post date: [May 4, 2012, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-scientists-are-mass-murderers-one1/620909/6 "2012-05-04T19:34:47Z")
Do I seriously have to read this article in order to dismiss it as idiotic? 'Cuz I’m pretty sure based on what little I’ve already seen in this thread that I’m on the right track already and I really don’t want to waste my time or possibly damage any of my brain cells looking at anything those cretins have to say.
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### Author:  [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)
#### Post date: [May 4, 2012, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-scientists-are-mass-murderers-one1/620909/7 "2012-05-04T19:40:38Z")
> [@Kimstu](#):
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> Okay, this is absolutely priceless. It’s so ridiculous I’m even finding it hard to get angry about it. From the OP’s link:
> Yes folks, anything that evil people believe must be wrong, no matter what the actual evidence about the subject is or who else believes it!
>
> Did you know that Adolf Hitler (oh come on, this thread was bound to go there eventually, why not now?) was a believer in _personal hygiene_?! Yes folks, this evil dictator and genocidal despot bathed at least daily! Hitler’s position on bathing differs very little from what the “mainstream” media and the Center for Disease Control say about hygiene, which I think tells you all you need to know about **that**.
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> Coming up: Fidel Castro brushes his teeth, and the late Chairman Mao turned off the lights when he wasn’t using them. _ **DON’T BE LIKE THESE MADMEN!!** _
Or, in a nutshell: [Hitler Ate Sugar!](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HitlerAteSugar)
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### Author:  [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)
#### Post date: [May 4, 2012, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-scientists-are-mass-murderers-one1/620909/8 "2012-05-04T19:45:31Z")
When you think about it, which should really disturb a sensible person more? That some criminally violent madmen accept some of the same scientific hypotheses that you do, or that some criminally violent madmen are more rational than you when it comes to science?
A more honest for the Heartland Institute would be
_Charles Manson, a mass murderer. Fidel Castro, a tyrant. Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber. Criminals. Lunatics. But still saner about climate science than we are._
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### Author:  [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)
#### Post date: [May 4, 2012, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-scientists-are-mass-murderers-one1/620909/9 "2012-05-04T19:54:29Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#):
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> I think the only proper response to the “Heartland Institute” is laughter.
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> Slap your thigh, tears rolling down your cheeks, straight out laughter.
I know. I can only laugh thinking about it. It should piss me off in some way, but it’s so totally ludicrous. I can’t stop grinning as I write, and I grin or smile so seldomly it actually hurts.
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### Author:  [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)
#### Post date: [May 4, 2012, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-scientists-are-mass-murderers-one1/620909/10 "2012-05-04T19:59:20Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#):
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> Or, in a nutshell: [Hitler Ate Sugar!](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HitlerAteSugar)
Yeah, but the Heartland Institute left Hitler out of its campaign.
I guess they didn’t want to risk being thought unreasonable.
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### Author:  [@Filbert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Filbert)
#### Post date: [May 4, 2012, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-scientists-are-mass-murderers-one1/620909/11 "2012-05-04T20:00:42Z")
> [@Kimstu](#):
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> _Charles Manson, a mass murderer. Fidel Castro, a tyrant. Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber. Criminals. Lunatics. But still saner about climate science than we are._
Please can someone rephrase that and stick it up as a counter ad? Pretty please?
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### Author:  [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)
#### Post date: [May 4, 2012, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-scientists-are-mass-murderers-one1/620909/12 "2012-05-04T20:41:40Z")
They look like the ads of someone that has lost the argument.
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### Author:  [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)
#### Post date: [May 4, 2012, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-scientists-are-mass-murderers-one1/620909/13 "2012-05-04T21:13:28Z")
I say we sic\*\* GIGO\*\* on them! Yes, that’s harsh, but climate war is heck!
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### Author:  [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)
#### Post date: [May 4, 2012, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-scientists-are-mass-murderers-one1/620909/14 "2012-05-04T22:39:02Z")
> [@elucidator](#):
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> I say we sic\*\* GIGO\*\* on them! Yes, that’s harsh, but climate war is heck!
You’re going to sic **GIGO** on Manson, Castro, and Kaczynski? C’mon, they’re not so bad.
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### Author:  [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)
#### Post date: [May 4, 2012, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-scientists-are-mass-murderers-one1/620909/15 "2012-05-04T23:37:27Z")
> [@NurseCarmen](#):
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> They look like the ads of someone that has lost the argument.
+1000
> [@elucidator](#):
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> I say we sic\*\* GIGO\*\* on them! Yes, that’s harsh, but climate war is heck!
[gets the Iron Maiden and prepares the rest of the dungeon tools]
[notices that our **Bad Astronomer** already took them to task:]
[http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/05/04/the-heartland-institute-sinks-to-a-new-low/](http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/05/04/the-heartland-institute-sinks-to-a-new-low/)
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> And the prominent advocates of global warming aren’t scientists? Like Michael Mann and James Hansen? Oh wait, those two are actual climate scientists. You know, the kind of people who are experts in climate science. The kind who don’t tend to sign climate change denial screeds.
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> Also, the “murderers, tyrants, and madmen” line? Nice, Heartland, nice. Rhetoric like that really makes you look sober, sane, and willing to discuss things rationally.
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> Always remember, this is the reality Heartland is trying to deny:
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> > ```
> > The Earth is warming up. The rate of warming has increased in the past century or so. This corresponds to the time of the Industrial Revolution, when we started dumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. Greenhouse gases warm the planet (hence the name) — if they didn’t we’d have an average temperature below the freezing point of water. Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas which is dumped into the atmosphere by humans to the tune of 30 billion tons per year, 100 times the amount from volcanoes. And finally, approximately 97% of climatologists who actually study climate agree that global warming is real, and caused by humans.
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> > ```
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> Those are the facts. It’s hard to believe anyone takes Heartland seriously at this point. And while they’re fiddling, the world burns.
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> [UPDATE: Apparently, Heartland has decided to pull down the billboard ad… of course, they’re claiming it “got attention” but somehow neglect to mention this attention was overwhelmingly negative and disgusted. But you can expect Heartland to continue their skeevy campaign against reality; I’ll note that they not only do not apologize for the ad, but state outright they won’t apologize for it. Lovely. Science writer and humanitarian [Shawn Otto](http://www.shawnotto.com/neorenaissance/blog20120505.html) has posted a list of names and links of companies that support Heartland, just so’s you know.]
[Puts iron maiden and other tools back…]
> [@Darth\_Panda](#):
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> You’re going to sic **GIGO** on Manson, Castro, and Kaczynski? C’mon, they’re not so bad.
Old news, I had them on my dead pool list or being considered, not enough points though. 🙂
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### Author:  [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)
#### Post date: [May 5, 2012, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-scientists-are-mass-murderers-one1/620909/16 "2012-05-05T00:01:37Z")
**GIGO** , baringa! Gaia barada nikto!
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### Author:  [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)
#### Post date: [May 5, 2012, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-scientists-are-mass-murderers-one1/620909/17 "2012-05-05T01:33:53Z")
I notice our resident deniers seem to be avoiding this thread.
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### Author:  [@The\_Man\_With\_The\_Golden\_Gun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Man_With_The_Golden_Gun)
#### Post date: [May 5, 2012, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-scientists-are-mass-murderers-one1/620909/18 "2012-05-05T03:04:18Z")
Wouldn’t surprise me one bit if climate scientists turn out to be mass murderers.
I mean, you can only take so much idiotic bullshit from global warming deniers before snapping.
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### Author:  [@mister\_nyx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mister_nyx)
#### Post date: [May 5, 2012, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-scientists-are-mass-murderers-one1/620909/19 "2012-05-05T03:49:24Z")
I remember that dark day, when al-Qaeda released that statement saying they crashed those planes into the World Trade Center in order to eliminate its carbon footprint.
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### Author:  [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)
#### Post date: [May 5, 2012, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-scientists-are-mass-murderers-one1/620909/20 "2012-05-05T03:52:31Z")
On that note, it is important to remember that the first case of mass murder regarding the AGW issue was made by a denier, Hans Breivik claimed in his manifesto that besides his racism he also thought that another reason for his rampage was that the left in his country deserved to die as they followed an “environmentalist conspiracy”
[http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2011/07/25/277564/norway-terrorist-is-a-global-warming-denier/](http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2011/07/25/277564/norway-terrorist-is-a-global-warming-denier/)
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> > You might know them as environmentalists, enviro-communists, eco-Marxists, neo-Communists or eco-fanatics. They all claim they want to save the world from global warming but their true agenda is to contribute to create a world government lead by the UN or in other ways increase the transfer of resources (redistribute resources) from the developed Western world to the third world. They hope to accomplish this through the distribution of misinformation (propaganda) which they hope will lead to increased taxation of already excessively taxed Europeans and US citizens.
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> Although Breivik’s conspiracy theories are insane, they are in line with mainstream opinion among American conservatives. He cites Christopher Monckton’s speech before the Minnesota Free Market Institute in 2009, accusing President Obama of trying to cede United States sovereignty to the United Nations through climate treaties. Monckton — a rabid conspiracy theorist who claims his opponents are Nazis — was a Republican witness before Congress on global warming in 2010.
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> Breivik also believed that the “Climategate” hacking incident “revealed how top scientists conspired to falsify data in the face of declining global temperatures in order to prop up the premise that man-made factors are driving climate change.”
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> One of his sources for this delusional claim is right-wing climate conspiracy theorist James Delingpole, who regularly appears on Fox News, including Glenn Beck‘s now defunct show. The Norwegian terrorist also cited climate conspiracy blogger Steve McIntyre, who appeared in a one-hour Fox News special on global warming in 2009. McIntyre’s conspiracy theories have been promoted by Rep. James Sensenbrenner (R-WI) and Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-OK). Dozens of Republican members of Congress have endorsed the Climategate conspiracy theory.
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> In reality, science is not partisan. It is a fact that the burning of hundreds of billions of tons of coal and oil is dangerously warming the planet. The torrent of propaganda spewed by conservative outlets and politicians to fight action is toxic and irresponsible.
So much from Breivik claiming he got his ideas from Wikipedia, in reality the sources Breivik relied were and are charlatans.
To me it is horrible in the extreme that it does not bother one bit to outfits like the Heartland Institute that they continue to spew the same lies that guys like Braivik swallowed hook line and sinker.
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