# ClimateGate 2.0? Are you fucking kidding me? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 27, 2011, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climategate-2-0-are-you-fucking-kidding-me/604243 "2011-11-27T15:39:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2011, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climategate-2-0-are-you-fucking-kidding-me/604243/81 "2011-11-28T22:18:01Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Deniers like Watts are now going to the same column as creationists, and on this board it should not be shameful to use them as punching bags. Man, am I ever glad that, as we all go forward, I’m already in agreement with your stated predictions about the warming – or cooling, or something in between – yet to come! The way you spelled out your position sure helped me understand the issues! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2011, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climategate-2-0-are-you-fucking-kidding-me/604243/82 "2011-11-28T22:26:54Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > :rolleyes: And let this be a lesson to you, son: you can be correct on the facts and still be an ass. If you want a cite for the veracity of that statement, go to just about any thread concerning this alleged\* climate change issue that you’ve participated in. > > \*Just wanted to to make sure you’re paying attention to the lesson. And the ones that support me, **even on this thread** , already told you that they do not bother much with guys like like you as they defer to me as I have just more experience with this issue, this is not a secret, but your stunted brain can not deal with that. Suffice to say that your concern trolling coming from you and other right wingers is pathetic. On this issue, like creationism, right wingers that deny the science are 100% wrong. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2011, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climategate-2-0-are-you-fucking-kidding-me/604243/83 "2011-11-28T22:30:49Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > And the ones that support me, **even on this thread** , already told you that they do not bother much with guys like like you as they defer to me as I have just more experience with this issue, this is not a secret, but your stunted brain can not deal with that. > > Suffice to say that your concern trolling coming from you and other right wingers is pathetic. Trust me on this, your life will be better when you get off the meth and calm down. Look what it’s done to you already—for one it’s caused you to offer an Appeal to the Masses as an argument. Tsk, tsk, tsk. You used to know better then that. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2011, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climategate-2-0-are-you-fucking-kidding-me/604243/84 "2011-11-28T22:45:36Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > I think we need to set our snarkometers to Megahicks. 1.21 GIGAHICKS??!? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2011, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climategate-2-0-are-you-fucking-kidding-me/604243/85 "2011-11-28T23:02:49Z")
Just so you don’t feel like the Lone Ranger, **GIGO** , I’m posting to tell you that I’m still on your side. Global Warming is real, is appropriately named, is being caused by human activity, and its veracity is being desperately attacked by those who are largely ignorant of science or by those with an agenda. I can’t help but notice the usual right-wing Dopers are the ones currently asking you to shut up about it. ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2011, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climategate-2-0-are-you-fucking-kidding-me/604243/86 "2011-11-28T23:09:08Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > Gigo, > > You have become to the global warming debate what FXMastrmind is to the nuclear power debate. > > It is not pretty. > > Slee Debate? There cannot even be any _discussion_ on this board regarding the subject of climate change while GIGO posts his walls of text and defends his new found religion. It makes me not care one damn bit who is right on the subject, I simply do not care, because I can tell when I am being preached at and preachers turn me off. The issue gets no support from me due mainly to the rabid foamings of the GIGOs of the world. When you are asking for billions of dollars world wide to combat a problem, you had best come accross as having a reasonable grip on the realities of the situation and ideas that will work in the real world to address the problem. Instead we get a screed, and a creed that we are not allowed to question, at all. Time to go burn the garbage. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2011, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climategate-2-0-are-you-fucking-kidding-me/604243/87 "2011-11-28T23:17:51Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Trust me on this, your life will be better when you get off the meth and calm down. Look what it’s done to you already—for one it’s caused you to offer an Appeal to the Masses as an argument. Tsk, tsk, tsk. You used to know better then that. Masses? I think you don’t know how to count, suffice to say your infamy follows you and I got respect from even thinking conservatives, you are really a certifiable concern troll. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2011, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climategate-2-0-are-you-fucking-kidding-me/604243/88 "2011-11-28T23:27:08Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > Debate? > > There cannot even be any _discussion_ on this board regarding the subject of climate change while GIGO posts his walls of text and defends his new found religion. This being the pit we already saw how more even handed people react to people like you, with derision and direct insults.. and then they have the gall to say that I have a problem, yeah right. > [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > It makes me not care one damn bit who is right on the subject, I simply do not care, because I can tell when I am being preached at and preachers turn me off. I don’t think you have the smarts to know were you are still. But as I say many times before, I’m not posting for guys like you, but for others that are aware how lousy their sources are regarding this issue. > [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > The issue gets no support from me due mainly to the rabid foamings of the GIGOs of the world. Once again, others already showed how rabid they can get, if you can not see the difference it is no wonder how demagogues just see a chump on you. > [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > When you are asking for billions of dollars world wide to combat a problem, you had best come accross as having a reasonable grip on the realities of the situation and ideas that will work in the real world to address the problem. Like Bjørn Lomborg? He was one of the best hopes you guys had, but even he threw the towel a few months ago. > [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > Instead we get a screed, and a creed that we are not allowed to question, at all. > > Time to go burn the garbage. Sure, like if you are important, as I mention many times before neither I am, what is important is to be aware of how bankrupt sources like The Daily Mail, FOX news, WUWT and others are. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2011, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climategate-2-0-are-you-fucking-kidding-me/604243/89 "2011-11-28T23:28:19Z")
The difference between FX and GIGO is that GIGO’s posts contain sound logic and credible citations. When creationists post, their thin and convoluted rhetoric is similarly debunked with “walls of text” by people who understand evolutionary theory. I’m another one who appreciates the time and effort put in to counter the illogical and/or disingenuous propaganda–it frees me up to do actual work on climate policy. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2011, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climategate-2-0-are-you-fucking-kidding-me/604243/90 "2011-11-28T23:46:14Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > Just so you don’t feel like the Lone Ranger, **GIGO** , I’m posting to tell you that I’m still on your side. Global Warming is real, is appropriately named, is being caused by human activity, and its veracity is being desperately attacked by those who are largely ignorant of science or by those with an agenda. I can’t help but notice the usual right-wing Dopers are the ones currently asking you to shut up about it. > [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > The difference between FX and GIGO is that GIGO’s posts contain sound logic and credible citations. > > When creationists post, their thin and convoluted rhetoric is similarly debunked with “walls of text” by people who understand evolutionary theory. > > I’m another one who appreciates the time and effort put in to counter the illogical and/or disingenuous propaganda–it frees me up to do actual work on climate policy. Got your back guys, and thank you for chiming in 🙂 And as if it needs to pointed many times, it is clear that some posters still think that killing the messenger is a good tactic, at least it helps them avoid dealing with the cites. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climategate-2-0-are-you-fucking-kidding-me/604243/91 "2011-11-29T00:49:59Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > Debate? > > There cannot even be any _discussion_ on this board regarding the subject of climate change while GIGO posts his walls of text and defends his new found religion. Dallas Jones, do you understand the difference between a faith-based and a fact-based position? Sometimes, walls of text are necessary. Especially when faced with crap like this. And believe it or not, discussion _is_ possible. GIGO just happens to be both more well-informed and more patient than 99% of all climate change denialists. > [@](#): > > It makes me not care one damn bit who is right on the subject, I simply do not care, because I can tell when I am being preached at and preachers turn me off. Did you make it through high school? Or College? > [@](#): > > The issue gets no support from me due mainly to the rabid foamings of the GIGOs of the world. When you are asking for billions of dollars world wide to combat a problem, you had best come accross as having a reasonable grip on the realities of the situation and ideas that will work in the real world to address the problem. > > Instead we get a screed, and a creed that we are not allowed to question, at all. > > Time to go burn the garbage. All right, so you’re incredibly stupid? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climategate-2-0-are-you-fucking-kidding-me/604243/92 "2011-11-29T01:01:45Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Dude, please give it a rest. . . . > > Seriously, you’re making yourself, and your side, look like an ass. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > Sure, do not let know how off base people like you are regarding this issue. Yeah right, > > It won’t work as even others are supporting me even here on this thread, even this silly effort of telling me that I have something of a trouble is a baseless proposition. I support **GIGObuster** , and applaud his style. Since this is the pit, he gets to be rude…but he also always provides factual cites. In comparable threads in Great Debates, he leaves out the insults…and maintains the factual cites. The guy is a hero to many of us here. He’s facing down the deliberate liars in the “denialist” camp. It’s a lot like watching a real biologist facing down Duane Gish. **GIGObuster** : Keep up the great work. There are at least a few of us here who are benefiting from your efforts. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climategate-2-0-are-you-fucking-kidding-me/604243/93 "2011-11-29T01:49:52Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > The issue gets no support from me due mainly to the rabid foamings of the GIGOs of the world. When you are asking for billions of dollars world wide to combat a problem, you had best come accross as having a reasonable grip on the realities of the situation and ideas that will work in the real world to address the problem. Specifics please, or I’ll just lump you into the baying pack of mindless drooling hounds that follow **GIGO** wherever he goes (I notice that you have nothing to say about their copious amounts of drool-I wonder why that is?). I’m also curious: what, exactly, would a _reasonable_ pro-AGW poster and his posting style look like to you? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climategate-2-0-are-you-fucking-kidding-me/604243/94 "2011-11-29T01:52:51Z")
Ahh, gee guys! 🆒, \*\*now \*\*you are making it harder to claim that there are no masses supporting me, do you want me to become a fallacy? 🙂 In any case, some denier posters should stop worrying, [I was getting into Shakespeare lately](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=630405). That link is there only to show how dumb some denier posters are by assuming that I only follow this issue, in reality I’m fascinated by history and by the phenomenon of people falling for conspiracy theories when there is a ton of expert evidence (many times already organized to deal with yahoo questions made already many many times before) out there debunking that conspiracy. Why should one pull back when there is a one ton mallet made for you even before a discussion or a pit thread takes place? Going a bit meta here: I have to say that this adds yet another layer to the stupidity of the typical denier, they are not even aware or willfully ignore or also deny that the information is already out there. One should expect them to be a little smart and check before hand where the scholars and researchers are coming from… But never mind, it is more fun to teach others by busting willful ignoramus so others can learn. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climategate-2-0-are-you-fucking-kidding-me/604243/95 "2011-11-29T02:30:20Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Dude, please give it a rest. With the way you run to these threads and chomp down on the latest nonsense like a chihuahua going after the pant leg of a mailman […] 😕 Isn’t “chomping down on nonsense” exactly what we’re supposed to be doing around here? > [@magellan01](#): > > Look what it’s done to you already—for one it’s caused you to offer an Appeal to the Masses as an argument. Um, what **GIGObuster** offered there was in response to **your** claim about how “the Masses” were perceiving him: > [@magellan01](#): > > Seriously, you’re making yourself, and your side, look like an ass. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > And the ones that support me, even on this thread, already told you that they do not bother much with guys like like[_sic_] you […] In other words, **magellan01** , you told **GIGO** that people don’t like his aggressive approach, and he pointed out that in fact, many posters have explicitly said that they have no problem with it. If **you** personally don’t like **GIGO** ’s posting style in climate change threads and you personally think it makes him look like an ass, you’re certainly entitled to your own opinion. But you have no grounds for claiming that “the Masses” in general share your opinion about **GIGO**. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climategate-2-0-are-you-fucking-kidding-me/604243/96 "2011-11-29T02:43:16Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Ahh, gee guys! 🆒, \*\*now \*\*you are making it harder to claim that there are no masses supporting me, do you want me to become a fallacy? For my part, I’m always pleased to see that the SDMB’s favorite voice on global warming is the guy who says the globe may well get no warmer in the coming decades, sure as even cooling aplenty over the better part of a century would likewise be entirely consistent with his predictions. Every ounce of praise lavished on Gigo’s either/or approach – and, thus, away from those who’d blandly predict actual warming – represents a triumph of good sense. I therefore join wholeheartedly in the praise of his posts, sure as I genuinely hope his message spreads o’er the land. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climategate-2-0-are-you-fucking-kidding-me/604243/97 "2011-11-29T02:59:40Z")
You are not fooling anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climategate-2-0-are-you-fucking-kidding-me/604243/98 "2011-11-29T03:14:07Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > For my part, I’m always pleased to see that the SDMB’s favorite voice on global warming is the guy who says the globe may well get no warmer in the coming decades, sure as even cooling aplenty over the better part of a century would likewise be entirely consistent with his predictions. This sounds like the typical “damned if you do and damned if you don’t” climate-change denier rhetorical strategy. I.e., if scientists predict that there will be some estimated amount of average warming over some estimated time, the deniers say “You’re being arrogant and dishonest by claiming such certainty for such a complicated system as global climate! This isn’t science, this is dogma!” If, on the other hand, scientists point out various factors and effects that might delay some estimated amount of warming beyond some estimated time, the deniers say “You’re being waffly and unprofessional by refusing to declare full confidence in a definite prediction about such an important system as global climate! This isn’t science, this is speculation!” Science is about coming up with the best possible consistent explanation that fits all the known facts while still recognizing current areas of uncertainty, and that’s what climate scientists are trying to do. The deniers are sitting pretty because they’ve unilaterally exempted themselves from the scientific responsibility of trying to understand or explain the observed behavior of global climate, in favor of simply nitpicking and mocking explanations that they don’t understand. They don’t have to worry about making their criticisms consistent or logical, much less scientifically valid, because they’re interested not in explaining a scientific phenomenon but merely in trying to tear down a scientific explanation that they happen not to like. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climategate-2-0-are-you-fucking-kidding-me/604243/99 "2011-11-29T03:34:01Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > For my part, I’m always pleased to see that the SDMB’s favorite voice on global warming is the guy who says the globe may well get no warmer in the coming decades, sure as even cooling aplenty over the better part of a century would likewise be entirely consistent with his predictions. Every ounce of praise lavished on Gigo’s either/or approach – and, thus, away from those who’d blandly predict actual warming – represents a triumph of good sense. > > I therefore join wholeheartedly in the praise of his posts, sure as I genuinely hope his message spreads o’er the land. You are definitely not fooling anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2011, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climategate-2-0-are-you-fucking-kidding-me/604243/100 "2011-11-29T03:46:04Z")
[QUOTE=Kimstu;14509154 In other words, **magellan01** , you told **GIGO** that people don’t like his aggressive approach, and he pointed out that in fact, many posters have explicitly said that they have no problem with it. If **you** personally don’t like **GIGO** ’s posting style in climate change threads and you personally think it makes him look like an ass, you’re certainly entitled to your own opinion. But you have no grounds for claiming that “the Masses” in general share your opinion about **GIGO**.[/QUOTE] Count me as yet another who appreciates **GIGO** ’s posts, and his posting style. One needs to be persistent against the foolish arguments that keep popping up again and again and again. I like the fact that **GIGO** keeps pointing out the obvious. I, on the other hand, lack his patience, and am just content to call those arguments fucking idiotic, and the posters who make them stupid douches. I suspect his style is more effective than mine. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climategate-2-0-are-you-fucking-kidding-me/604243.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climategate-2-0-are-you-fucking-kidding-me/604243.md?page=6)