# Climatologist Dr. Michael Mann completely vindicated...again.

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**Created:** [August 23, 2011, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climatologist-dr-michael-mann-completely-vindicated-again/593724 "2011-08-23T00:17:11Z")\
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**Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climatologist-dr-michael-mann-completely-vindicated-again/593724/392 "2011-09-07T16:05:37Z")

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> It’s like we’ve checked the socket is providing power, that the fuse is OK, that in fact the element is getting hot, but the water doesn’t! Well, what _does_ that mean? We’ve even double-checked that it’s actually water in the kettle! When you run out of things to check, what’s left?

I’m not sure. But if that hypothetical result wouldn’t falsify the predicted amount of “warming” – but would, instead, merely _ **describe** _ the predicted “warming” – then what, exactly, is being predicted? I don’t recall ever hearing experts (a) opine panickedly that we need to act now to stop the predicted warming, and then (b) go on to spell out that by “predicted warming” they of course mean “the temperature may well spend decades going down, followed by centuries of not actually getting any warmer”.

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> If you get a phenomenon that defies the basic laws of physics, then you’re pretty much stuck. Maybe go to church more regularly? I’ve no idea what scientific answer would satisfy you. What would _you_ say was the answer?

Beats me. I’m merely asking those who claim warming is coming to spell out just how much warming they predict; if we instead get significantly less warming, or _ **no** _ warming, or plenty of cooling, then I’d simply ask for their revised answer; I’m not a scientist, I’m just a guy who asks scientists making predictions to make falsifiable ones.

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