# Clinton is a war criminal and Obama also, and a murderer to boot. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 12, 2016, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-is-a-war-criminal-and-obama-also-and-a-murderer-to-boot/771593 "2016-11-12T05:11:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-is-a-war-criminal-and-obama-also-and-a-murderer-to-boot/771593/21 "2016-11-12T11:57:00Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Wait, we were supposed to get _angry_ at the OP? I thought we were at most bemused. I’m slightly bemused by the join date. He seems so much younger! > [@BlankSlate](#): > > This is dumber than a derekmichaels thread. Ouch. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-is-a-war-criminal-and-obama-also-and-a-murderer-to-boot/771593/22 "2016-11-12T13:08:58Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > “Mr. President, I need authorization to blow up this village, there are high profile targets there. We estimate ONLY 10 babies will be slaughtered.” Sure, but one of the babies is [baby Hitler!!!](http://www.adweek.com/prnewser/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2015/11/baby-hitler2.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-is-a-war-criminal-and-obama-also-and-a-murderer-to-boot/771593/23 "2016-11-12T13:13:07Z")
Arguably every president and/or VP for the last few decades has been a criminal. I don’t even need to go into what the Bush administration did, but under Clinton the rendition program started with both Clinton & Gore knowing it, and that violated both domestic and international law. Reagan had Iran Contra and a bunch of other scandals, etc. So the issue isn’t will Trump be a criminal. Every US president breaks the law. The fear is that Trump is so emotionally unhinged, thin skinned, sociopathic and vengeful that he will be a criminal the likes of which we haven’t seen in modern history. I made a mention in another thread that when Cheney was VP, he was the head of an [international death squad](http://www.thenational.ae/news/cia-death-squads-unmasked). Delta force and CIA SOG soldiers would travel around the world and kill terrorists. Personally, I don’t mind this much because Cheney was using them to kill terrorists, either way the program may never have been truly operational on a large scale. We just put the guy who called for ‘[2nd amendment remedies](http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/10/politics/trump-second-amendment/)’ to deal with his domestic political opposition in charge of things like that. The Trump presidency will be a very strong test of how reliable our checks and balances are. Congress, the judiciary, the media, the public, states and city government, overseas governments, etc. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-is-a-war-criminal-and-obama-also-and-a-murderer-to-boot/771593/24 "2016-11-12T13:58:14Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Did i say they wern’t? Is this assuming and pigeonholing ALL that goes on down here? So boring… Funny how quickly you got bored when your stupidity was pointed out to you. Must happen to you quite often. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-is-a-war-criminal-and-obama-also-and-a-murderer-to-boot/771593/25 "2016-11-12T14:14:33Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Though everything in this short post is true I’m putting this in BBQ cause I respect the SD. In short > > Clinton: War criminal (voted for Iraq war, culpability for Libya debacle) > Obama : War criminal (Libya debacle) > Murderer (literally conspiricy to murder for ordering the assasination of American citizens including an innocent 16 year old. Also the authorization of bombing of funerals, weddings and first responders -double tap-drone attacks) > > Maybe Trump won’t have the stomach for killing people. It’s not for everyone. I suspect Clinton jaywalked at one time too and I have it on the highest authority that Obama _still_ has an unreturned library book from the 70s. Seriously, you need to exercise your brain a little more (if you can find it, that is). ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-is-a-war-criminal-and-obama-also-and-a-murderer-to-boot/771593/26 "2016-11-12T15:12:16Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > I’m not trying anyone. And yes, as the presidential runner-up she’s special. And you make a good point about Pence in regards to Trump. As I’ve said, Trump never signed a paper killing people. Maybe he won’t have the stomach for it. Could you?? > > “Mr. President, I need authorization to blow up this village, there are high profile targets there. We estimate ONLY 10 babies will be slaughtered.” I remember during one of the debates, he mentioned how stupid it was to give advance notice of bombings. It was explained that notice was given so that innocents could get out of the way. He was adamant that no notice should be given before bombing. So, I guess your guy has no problem killing innocent people. Troll. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-is-a-war-criminal-and-obama-also-and-a-murderer-to-boot/771593/27 "2016-11-12T15:33:01Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > I remember during one of the debates, he mentioned how stupid it was to give advance notice of bombings. It was explained that notice was given so that innocents could get out of the way. He was adamant that no notice should be given before bombing. > > So, I guess your guy has no problem killing innocent people. > > Troll. Who is your guy? Jackass. Stupid jackass at that for ASSuming. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-is-a-war-criminal-and-obama-also-and-a-murderer-to-boot/771593/28 "2016-11-12T15:34:08Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > I suspect Clinton jaywalked at one time too and I have it on the highest authority that Obama _still_ has an unreturned library book from the 70s. > > Seriously, you need to exercise your brain a little more (if you can find it, that is). Yeah…murdering 16 year olds…jaywalking…same thing. Hell, I’d settle for you getting ANY type of exercise Jabba. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-is-a-war-criminal-and-obama-also-and-a-murderer-to-boot/771593/29 "2016-11-12T15:38:49Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Yeah…murdering 16 year olds…jaywalking…same thing. Hell, I’d settle for you getting ANY type of exercise Jabba. First brain exercise, gratis. Learning to recognize sarcasm from fact. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-is-a-war-criminal-and-obama-also-and-a-murderer-to-boot/771593/30 "2016-11-12T15:47:56Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > First brain exercise, gratis. Learning to recognize sarcasm from fact. :\<…i sowwy. ☹ My bad, ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-is-a-war-criminal-and-obama-also-and-a-murderer-to-boot/771593/31 "2016-11-12T15:53:54Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Voting to go to war cannot ever remotely be a war crime, as it would prevent democracy from functioning. Going to war is not what a war crime is. Furthermore, attacking your military adversaries who are trying to kill you has never once been considered murder. > > This is just a pathetic attempt to get our goats. That’s how much you “respect” the SDMB. You wanted to get your jollies watching everyone get angry. If you wanted a real discussion, you’d have posted somewhere where it could possibly happen, not trying to tempt people into attacking you. > > You just so desperately need someone else to blame for what happened. Probably with your help. So one of you is accusing me of supporting Clinton and another is accusing me of supporting Trump. Man, “Straight Dope” indeed. As for your assertions, yes…droning a 16 year old American citizen is a crime. It is murder. Bombing funerals and rescue workers is a crime. And did you just say going to war is not a war crime?? Oh son…get thee to a library. Look up Nuremberg. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-is-a-war-criminal-and-obama-also-and-a-murderer-to-boot/771593/32 "2016-11-12T18:03:58Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Who is your guy? Jackass. Stupid jackass at that for ASSuming. Oh dunno, maybe I assumed because of this: > [@Dale Sams](#): > > As I’ve said, Trump never signed a paper killing people. Maybe he won’t have the stomach for it I guess he would have the stomach for it. If he’s not your guy, then I apologize, but it certainly sounded like it. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-is-a-war-criminal-and-obama-also-and-a-murderer-to-boot/771593/33 "2016-11-12T18:35:07Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > Oh dunno, maybe I assumed because of this: > > I guess he would have the stomach for it. > > If he’s not your guy, then I apologize, but it certainly sounded like it. No prob…the “Maybe he doesn’t have the stomach for it” was more of a hopeful thing. I mean there’s a big difference between firing people and killing them. But as others have pointed out his rhetoric sure makes it seem like he’s capable of doing it. And my apologies for the name calling. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-is-a-war-criminal-and-obama-also-and-a-murderer-to-boot/771593/34 "2016-11-12T18:51:30Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > No prob…the “Maybe he doesn’t have the stomach for it” was more of a hopeful thing. I mean there’s a big difference between firing people and killing them. But as others have pointed out his rhetoric sure makes it seem like he’s capable of doing it. Were you… _unaware_ of Trump’s campaign style? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-is-a-war-criminal-and-obama-also-and-a-murderer-to-boot/771593/35 "2016-11-12T20:10:46Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > … > > Maybe Trump won’t have the stomach for killing people. It’s not for everyone. Trump will be too busy grabbing all the interns by their pussy. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-is-a-war-criminal-and-obama-also-and-a-murderer-to-boot/771593/36 "2016-11-12T23:15:44Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > So boring… It really is. You should stop. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2016, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-is-a-war-criminal-and-obama-also-and-a-murderer-to-boot/771593/37 "2016-11-13T04:20:15Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Do you intend to try every Congresscritter who voted for the resolution? > Including the VP-Elect? > > Or is Clinton somehow special? Only the Democrats I bet. The Repubs who bought in, AND the Repub Neocons who lied us into war will get a pass. I guarandamntee it. Interesting switch, from “support our war or get the fuck out”. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-is-a-war-criminal-and-obama-also-and-a-murderer-to-boot/771593/38 "2016-11-14T16:46:29Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Trump will be too busy grabbing all the interns by their pussy. Do White House interns all share one or something? ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-is-a-war-criminal-and-obama-also-and-a-murderer-to-boot/771593/39 "2016-11-14T17:10:48Z")
Historically, mostly only the losers of a conflict are found guilty of war crimes. The winners are generally considered to be heroes. There are exceptions, of course, such as the infamous Lt. Calley of the My Lai massacre in Vietnam. The OP is a pointless exercise. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-is-a-war-criminal-and-obama-also-and-a-murderer-to-boot/771593/40 "2016-11-14T18:50:10Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Sure, but one of the babies is [baby Hitler!!!](http://www.adweek.com/prnewser/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2015/11/baby-hitler2.jpg) Vermin Supreme was the only candidate who had a plan to go back in time and kill baby Hitler. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-is-a-war-criminal-and-obama-also-and-a-murderer-to-boot/771593.md?page=1)