# Clinton Slips Leash; Jennings Critical
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-slips-leash-jennings-critical/275807
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [November 20, 2004, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-slips-leash-jennings-critical/275807 "2004-11-20T06:32:13Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 11
### Author:  [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2004, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-slips-leash-jennings-critical/275807/201 "2004-11-26T21:21:07Z")
> [@Khadaji](#):
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> Well said.
~bows humbly~
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### Author:  [@Roseworm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roseworm)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2004, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-slips-leash-jennings-critical/275807/202 "2004-11-26T21:50:17Z")
Way back in #117, \*\*roger thornhill \*\* asked me for my estimation of John F. Kennedy. I am not going to burden this thread with a separate discussion of JFK, except to say this:
John Kennedy had something which Bill Clinton wholly lacks (and desperately needs). And that something is a sense of irony - in particular, an ability to look at oneself in a sardonic light.
I always got that impression that JFK was well aware of his failings and did not mind admitting them to himself. But Bill Clinton takes himself _sooooooo_ seriously…
Watching him blubbering away at Peter Jennings just struck me as so…childish and _unmanly_. We are never going to get a candid statement from the man, even if we pull him down and threaten to break his arm. How refreshing it would be if he just up and admitted: “Yeah, I’m a grab-ass and a shitheel and a first-class SOB, but shucks…”
Never happen.
And even if you do not believe he deserved to be impeached for the Monica Thing, he certainly deserved to be impeached for the outrageous Last Minute Pardon Blowout Sale of 2000. Gad, that stank to high heaven.
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### Author:  [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2004, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-slips-leash-jennings-critical/275807/203 "2004-11-26T21:55:40Z")
> [@Roseworm](#):
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> And even if you do not believe he deserved to be impeached for the Monica Thing, he certainly deserved to be impeached for the outrageous Last Minute Pardon Blowout Sale of 2000. Gad, that stank to high heaven.
Yes, it’s too bad that the Constitution allows a President to pardon anyone he wants for any reason he wants. If it didn’t, maybe we could have got at George H. W. Bush for his “Last Minute Pardon Blowout Sale” of 1992, which relieved many of his cronies from the fear of well-deserved jail terms.
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2004, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-slips-leash-jennings-critical/275807/204 "2004-11-26T21:56:49Z")
He kicked your fucking ass in two elections. He went out with higher approval ratings than Reagan. Get over it already.
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### Author:  [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2004, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-slips-leash-jennings-critical/275807/205 "2004-11-26T22:43:55Z")
> [@Roseworm](#):
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> Watching him blubbering away at Peter Jennings just struck me as so…childish and _unmanly_. We are never going to get a candid statement from the man, even if we pull him down and threaten to break his arm.
Take your fingers out of your ears sometime. Let the truth wash over you. It will cleanse you, I promise.
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### Author:  [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)
#### Post date: [November 27, 2004, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-slips-leash-jennings-critical/275807/206 "2004-11-27T00:47:46Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#):
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> [come now, is this really an accurate statement?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=288423)
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> People who are Democrats want what’s best for the country.
> People who’re Republicans want what’s best for this country.
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> The idea that there is some nefarious group of righties who sit around plotting ways to fuck over the country as long as they win is silly.
You need to sit through the 2000 election again sometime, this time with your head someplace other than up your ass.
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### Author:  [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)
#### Post date: [November 27, 2004, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-slips-leash-jennings-critical/275807/207 "2004-11-27T00:52:27Z")
> [@Evil Captor](#):
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> You need to sit through the 2000 election again sometime, this time with your head someplace other than up your ass.
Oh, I’m sorry, so if I sit through the 2000 election again I will realize that everybody who voted Republican is really a member of the Borg and everybody who voted Democrat is really a cowboy/knight/ninja/badass intent on saving tne country.
You’re right, heavens forfend that I figured people might be individuals.
Luckily enough you came around to save me from such a dreadful bit of illogical behavior.
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### Author:  [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)
#### Post date: [November 27, 2004, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-slips-leash-jennings-critical/275807/208 "2004-11-27T00:55:07Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#):
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> Oh, I’m sorry, so if I sit through the 2000 election again I will realize that everybody who voted Republican is really a member of the Borg and everybody who voted Democrat is really a cowboy/knight/ninja/badass intent on saving tne country.
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> You’re right, heavens forfend that I figured people might be individuals.
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> Luckily enough you came around to save me from such a dreadful bit of illogical behavior.
If you sat through the election with your eyes open and your ears unstoppered you might have realized that a small group of Republican leaders DID plot to steal the election. And succeeded.
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### Author:  [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)
#### Post date: [November 27, 2004, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-slips-leash-jennings-critical/275807/209 "2004-11-27T00:55:11Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#):
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> Oh, I’m sorry, so if I sit through the 2000 election again I will realize that everybody who voted Republican is really a member of the Borg and everybody who voted Democrat is really a cowboy/knight/ninja/badass intent on saving tne country.
I don’t like any of those choices for Democrats. Can I be Clint Eastwood?
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### Author:  [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)
#### Post date: [November 27, 2004, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-slips-leash-jennings-critical/275807/210 "2004-11-27T01:01:45Z")
> [@Evil Captor](#):
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> a small group of Republican leaders
Does a small group of leaders equal the entire party, and everybody who voted Republican?
**This Year’s Model** : For the 2000 election, wouldn’t that mean you’d be in a film titled _A fistfull of chads?_
(But yes, with my powers of artibrary and ridiculous appelation I will allow you to be Clint Eastwood, make sure you share if with other Democrats via your Democratic Telephatic Link)
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### Author:  [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)
#### Post date: [November 27, 2004, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-slips-leash-jennings-critical/275807/211 "2004-11-27T01:43:43Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#):
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> **This Year’s Model** : For the 2000 election, wouldn’t that mean you’d be in a film titled _A fistfull of chads?_
Yes, followed by the sequel: _For a Few Justices More_.
_The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly_ doesn’t require a change of title.
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### Author:  [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)
#### Post date: [November 27, 2004, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-slips-leash-jennings-critical/275807/212 "2004-11-27T01:57:09Z")
I can not resist.
[the good.](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/finnagain/For%20the%20masses/pow.gif)
[the bad](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/finnagain/For%20the%20masses/grandmoffrumsfeld.jpg)
[the ugly.](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/finnagain/For%20the%20masses/emperorcheny.jpg)
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### Author:  [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)
#### Post date: [November 27, 2004, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-slips-leash-jennings-critical/275807/213 "2004-11-27T03:51:32Z")
> [@rjung](#):
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> Yes, **milroyj,** because the _only_ thing that matters is “getting” the other side, yes?\*
Nope, not at all. The thing that matters is what’s best for the country.
Unremarkably, the recent election results followed suit.
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### Author:  [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)
#### Post date: [November 27, 2004, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-slips-leash-jennings-critical/275807/214 "2004-11-27T04:01:53Z")
> [@milroyj](#):
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> Nope, not at all. The thing that matters is what’s best for the country.
> Unremarkably, the recent election results followed suit.
Okay, I’m honestly curious here.
How do you feel that Bush is best for the country?
We’ve lost global credibility, our war in Iraq has galvanized our opposition, the enviornment has not failed to be protected but there’s now more mercury in it, the economic status of most Americans is worse than it was four years ago, the FCC is becoming the morality police, etc…
I’m honestly curious to see why you think we’re better off with Bush.
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### Author:  [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)
#### Post date: [November 27, 2004, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-slips-leash-jennings-critical/275807/215 "2004-11-27T04:03:35Z")
D’oh, that should read “not only failed”
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### Author:  [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)
#### Post date: [November 27, 2004, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-slips-leash-jennings-critical/275807/216 "2004-11-27T04:24:40Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#):
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> I’m honestly curious to see why you think we’re better off with Bush.
Because he’s a Strong Leader who will Stay The Course and Let Freedom Ring. Haven’t you been paying attention?
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### Author:  [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)
#### Post date: [November 27, 2004, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-slips-leash-jennings-critical/275807/217 "2004-11-27T04:36:03Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#):
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> Okay, I’m honestly curious here.
> How do you feel that Bush is best for the country?
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> We’ve lost global credibility, our war in Iraq has galvanized our opposition, the enviornment has not failed to be protected but there’s now more mercury in it, the economic status of most Americans is worse than it was four years ago, the FCC is becoming the morality police, etc…
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> I’m honestly curious to see why you think we’re better off with Bush.
We have credibility where it counts, as in, you fuck with us, we’ll fuck you back harder. Don’t see many Taliban running around these days. Khadaffi, international terrorist extradinaire for the last 30 years, is suddenly all sweetness and light. Sure, Iran and North Korea are sqwaking, but only because they are feeling boxed in. The environment is way cleaner now, than it was in the '70s when the Clean Air Act etc. was passed. The FCC is a joke. If you have a cite that “most Americans” are economically worse off now than they were four years ago, I’d sure like to see it.
Best regards,
milroyj
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### Author:  [@Tentacle\_Monster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tentacle_Monster)
#### Post date: [November 27, 2004, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-slips-leash-jennings-critical/275807/218 "2004-11-27T05:27:24Z")
Oh Christ, milroy’s asking for a cite again. Remember the Barbara Bush’s Beautiful Mind fiasco? Three plus pages of milroy ignoring cites.
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### Author:  [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)
#### Post date: [November 27, 2004, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-slips-leash-jennings-critical/275807/219 "2004-11-27T05:44:40Z")
Sometimes it’s difficult for me to convince people that most Americans are vicious, truth-hating orcs.
Increasingly it’s not.
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### Author:  [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)
#### Post date: [November 27, 2004, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-slips-leash-jennings-critical/275807/220 "2004-11-27T06:31:59Z")
> [@milroyj](#):
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> We have credibility where it counts, as in, you fuck with us, we’ll fuck you back harder.
Play straight now. I’ve done you that courtesy, you could do the same.[credibility](http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=credibility) As in , the next time we cry WMD, er, wolf, nobody will believe us. Ditto if we ever want to ‘administrate’ a ‘regime change’ and ‘win the peace.’
And, by the way, our warlike tendencies, or the fact that we’ll “fuck you harder.”, is kinda what led [our closet ally to be unsure if Bush or Sadaam was a greater threat to global peace](http://www.quivis.com/iraq21.html)
[this is not a totally isolated incident](http://www.twf.org/News/Y2002/1109-Poll.html)
> [@milroyj](#):
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> Don’t see many Taliban running around these days.
[don’t look](http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/insight/articles/eav050503a.shtml) [very hard](http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3541562/). Eh?
> [@milroyj](#):
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> The environment is way cleaner now, than it was in the '70s when the Clean Air Act etc. was passed.
[In](http://www.overpopulation.org/impact.html) [what](http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1025-22.htm)[Universe](http://usembassy.state.gov/seoul/wwwh6044.html)[exactly](http://www.psr.org/home.cfm?id=Vote_Healthy_in_2004) [?](http://www.seachangecenter.org/learnmore/)
[They will make a desert and call it progress](http://www.overpopulation.org/impact.html#deforestDesertify)
> [@milroyj](#):
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> The FCC is a joke.
You can’t disregard reality by calling it a joke.
Do you honestly need me to give you cites on how the FCC has been fining people left and right?
> [@milroyj](#):
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> If you have a cite that “most Americans” are economically worse off now than they were four years ago, I’d sure like to see it.
[Sure](http://money.cnn.com/2004/08/26/news/economy/poverty_survey/?cnn=yes)[thing](http://www.epinet.org/static/books_swa2004_main.cfm) [no](http://www.epinet.org/briefingpapers/146/epi_bp146.pdf) [problem.](http://www.jobwatch.org/national.html)
[A total of 47% of Americans rate the national economy as very good or good and 52% rate it as bad, very bad, or terrible.](http://americanresearchgroup.com/economy/)
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