# Clinton supporters: what, if anything, would convince you she should voluntarily withdraw? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 12, 2016, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-supporters-what-if-anything-would-convince-you-she-should-voluntarily-withdraw/759714 "2016-07-12T11:19:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![astroidea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/58956e/32.png) [@astroidea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astroidea)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-supporters-what-if-anything-would-convince-you-she-should-voluntarily-withdraw/759714/21 "2016-07-12T16:26:07Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > The very **same** people who were able to see past the “born in Kenya, he’s a Muslim, his pastor is a radical, it’s socialism (ACA), etc, etc”, on endlessly, will also see past the current generated scandals, I’m confident. To ignore that obvious reality is an error on the Rep side, in my opinion. > > She’s seems like clearly THE most qualified candidate ever to aspire to the job to most Dems. And they are mature enough to comprehend that so much experience comes with errors, missteps, and well, history. Such is the nature of the beast. > > That you should be fixated on her past, experience, etc, while Donald is in the field as the Rep candidate, reveals more about you than either of them, in my opinion! Yep the fact that she gave non-cleared people access to top secret information just comes with the experience of being the most qualified Presidential candidate ever. All that experience gives her a free pass for committing an act that many have gone to jail for. She’s doing pretty well given that scandals is a norm in politics! [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/mJ0YEchTwEc/maxresdefault.jpg "FBI Director Comey: Clinton Gave Non-Cleared Individuals Access To Classified Information") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ0YEchTwEc) ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-supporters-what-if-anything-would-convince-you-she-should-voluntarily-withdraw/759714/22 "2016-07-12T16:28:35Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Of all the major candidates in this year’s election, you think it’s _Hillary Clinton_ that’s running a cult of personality? She’s one of them. Not as bad as Trump. But hypothetical Hillary could still do things that would make it impossible for me to hypothetically vote for her. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-supporters-what-if-anything-would-convince-you-she-should-voluntarily-withdraw/759714/23 "2016-07-12T16:30:40Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Any decent scandal free Democrat candidate should be able to wipe the floor with Trump in the general, but instead we have one of the most unliked candidates of all time, there has never been an election in which both major party candidates have such high unfavorability ratings. We had several decent, scandal free, Democrats oppose Hillary this year. She beat all of them. Apparently, she’s not as disliked as you seem to think. ---
**Author:** ![astroidea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/58956e/32.png) [@astroidea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astroidea)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-supporters-what-if-anything-would-convince-you-she-should-voluntarily-withdraw/759714/24 "2016-07-12T16:33:31Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > She’s not going to be caught eating babies or anything. There will be accusations of fiscal irregularities with the Clinton foundation but these will not influence neither her supporters nor detractors. Sums up Clinton supporters. Anything short of her eating babies will just be brushed off as the ol’ Republican political smearing that every single democrat has gone through! Nothing new! Who cares that she was caught lying about every single statement she made in defense of her email scandals. Who cares that she was sent top secret information to non-cleared individuals. She wasn’t indicted and that’s all that matters! ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-supporters-what-if-anything-would-convince-you-she-should-voluntarily-withdraw/759714/25 "2016-07-12T17:10:46Z")
> [@astroidea](#): > > Sums up Clinton supporters. Anything short of her eating babies will just be brushed off as the ol’ Republican political smearing that every single democrat has gone through! Nothing new! > > Who cares that she was caught lying about every single statement she made in defense of her email scandals. Who cares that she was sent top secret information to non-cleared individuals. She wasn’t indicted and that’s all that matters! What was the result of her sins? How was the intelligence community damaged? How have US interests suffered? No, every single Democrat has _not_ been smeared as the Clintons have. The Republicans have been after them for decades & nobody cares but right wing idiots. Hillary was the best Democrat running. (Hey, Bernie, convince some of your young progressives to get to work, to ensure a wealth of fine Democratic candidates in the future!) She was far better than any of the Republican mediocrities & grotesques–especially the one who beat them all… ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-supporters-what-if-anything-would-convince-you-she-should-voluntarily-withdraw/759714/26 "2016-07-12T17:19:42Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > yeah he did, and I never suggested that he should be the candidate if she did withdraw. IMO Any other candidate would be better than Clinton, Biden, or any of the names being suggested for her VP. It’s hardly just my warped biased opinion, check out her unfavorability rating here: > [RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Clinton: Favorable/Unfavorable](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/clinton_favorableunfavorable-1131.html) > > There has never been a major party candidate with such high unfavorables, this is true of both Trump and Clinton. For comparison, Obama’s unfavorability rating is about 10 points lower than Clinton’s and Sanders is around 14 points lower. She has a unfavorable rating as she\* is\* the frontrunner and has been for months if not years. Rest assured the Karl Rove Hate machine is ready to spew forth lies and propaganda about any potential Dem candidate. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-supporters-what-if-anything-would-convince-you-she-should-voluntarily-withdraw/759714/27 "2016-07-12T17:21:28Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Maybe if she shoots somebody on Fifth Avenue. Might bring her the gun vote. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-supporters-what-if-anything-would-convince-you-she-should-voluntarily-withdraw/759714/28 "2016-07-12T17:29:22Z")
OP, please provide us with some reason to share the presumption in your opening sentence. An answer to the thread title would be _he discovery that she has been diagnosed with an incurable, untreatable disease, one which has an invariant prognosis of morbidity within twelve months._ ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-supporters-what-if-anything-would-convince-you-she-should-voluntarily-withdraw/759714/29 "2016-07-12T17:46:41Z")
I think the OP’s presumption in the first sentence is correct - Democrats would prefer any Democratic candidates over Trump. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-supporters-what-if-anything-would-convince-you-she-should-voluntarily-withdraw/759714/30 "2016-07-12T18:01:30Z")
OK, she doesn’t run, for whatever reason. Replace. Joe Biden, Lizzy Warren, Rachel Maddow. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-supporters-what-if-anything-would-convince-you-she-should-voluntarily-withdraw/759714/31 "2016-07-12T18:02:38Z")
The answer is very simple. If I decide that voting for a different candidate is likelier to influence the world in a better fashion, she’ll lose my support. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-supporters-what-if-anything-would-convince-you-she-should-voluntarily-withdraw/759714/32 "2016-07-12T18:12:29Z")
There are lots of reasons why Clinton might have to withdraw. But the OP is being naive is he thinks unlikeability would go away as an issue. Do you remember any past elections? At this point in his campaign, John Kerry was being accused of murdering babies. Al Gore was accused of secretly working for China. Barack Obama was accused of being an Kenyan Muslim. Bill Clinton was accused of running a Columbian drug ring. This has become standard politics. Any Democratic candidate is accused of outlandish crimes. If Bernie Sanders or Joe Biden or Martin O’Malley were the nominee, there would be outlandish accusations against them as well. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-supporters-what-if-anything-would-convince-you-she-should-voluntarily-withdraw/759714/33 "2016-07-12T18:18:17Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > She has a unfavorable rating as she\* is\* the frontrunner and has been for months if not years. > > Rest assured the Karl Rove Hate machine is ready to spew forth lies and propaganda about any potential Dem candidate. It’s already started, right-wing mouthpiece going off: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/KjMS50yH024/hqdefault.jpg "Stephen Colbert Takes The Gloves Off: Hillary's Email Scandal") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjMS50yH024) ---
**Author:** ![NeonMadman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/58f4c7/32.png) [@NeonMadman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NeonMadman)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-supporters-what-if-anything-would-convince-you-she-should-voluntarily-withdraw/759714/34 "2016-07-12T18:26:33Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Maybe if she shoots somebody on Fifth Avenue. Yeah, if she shot somebody on the Avenue of the Americas or Broadway, the media would just cover it up. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-supporters-what-if-anything-would-convince-you-she-should-voluntarily-withdraw/759714/35 "2016-07-12T18:58:03Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Maybe if she shoots somebody on Fifth Avenue. I can think of a _lot_ of people on Fifth Avenue who need shooting. If Hillz brought an AK-47 for the job, her poll numbers would skyrocket. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-supporters-what-if-anything-would-convince-you-she-should-voluntarily-withdraw/759714/36 "2016-07-12T19:52:30Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Bernie _lost_, friend. Bernie? We’re not talking about Bernie. Bernie lost, and endorsed Clinton. _That does not make Clinton a viable general election candidate._ ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-supporters-what-if-anything-would-convince-you-she-should-voluntarily-withdraw/759714/37 "2016-07-12T19:59:07Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I think the OP’s presumption in the first sentence is correct - Democrats would prefer any Democratic candidates over Trump. 😉 And my guess is MOST Americans would prefer any Democratic candidate over Trump. Can you imagine Candidate Maddow in a debate? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-supporters-what-if-anything-would-convince-you-she-should-voluntarily-withdraw/759714/38 "2016-07-12T20:02:57Z")
Popcorn ready, beer on ice, and phone disconnected. Now, Universe, I know I haven’t been a very good pantheist, but if you could just give me this one _huge_ miracle… ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-supporters-what-if-anything-would-convince-you-she-should-voluntarily-withdraw/759714/39 "2016-07-12T20:21:09Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Of all the major candidates in this year’s election, you think it’s _Hillary Clinton_ that’s running a cult of personality? :dubious: Cults of personality are almost standard in US presidential campaigns at this point. Reagan & Obama had particularly glaring ones, but they appear a lot. I’m not exactly blaming either Sanders or Clinton personally for this, but Democrats have specifically tried to inculcate such cults of personality around both Bernie and Hillary. Democrats want a president to come in and fix things like a lone superhero, more or less, even to the point of missing that both Sanders and Obama have called for more participation and a party that challenges for many offices. Now, Trump has _nothing else_ but cult of personality. But it’s hilarious that a party that basically wins when it runs on cults of personality and not when it doesn’t is pooh-poohing Donald Trump’s campaign for emphasizing that play. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-supporters-what-if-anything-would-convince-you-she-should-voluntarily-withdraw/759714/40 "2016-07-12T20:29:10Z")
I’m a Bernie supporter. Hillary is the candidate. Live with it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-supporters-what-if-anything-would-convince-you-she-should-voluntarily-withdraw/759714.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-supporters-what-if-anything-would-convince-you-she-should-voluntarily-withdraw/759714.md?page=3)