# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/181 "2016-10-04T07:48:10Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Well for one thing, if the CIA was going to take out Assange they’d do it with a shooter with a long gun on a nearby rooftop, or by poisoning his food, or sneaking someone into the embassy as a staffer or a million other ways, not with a frigging Hellfire missile in the middle of a massive city. Honestly they’re not even trying to make the conspiracies remotely plausible are they? That article is a bit unclear, though. From what I read, it says that Hillary supposedly asked if they could drone him back in 2010, not now. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/182 "2016-10-04T07:49:39Z")
Let’s hope she never actually suggested such a thing. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/183 "2016-10-04T08:20:48Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > That article is a bit unclear, though. From what I read, it says that Hillary supposedly asked if they could drone him back in 2010, not now. He was still living in the UK at the time, so “droning him” would still have entailed a military strike against our single biggest geopolitical ally. > [@adaher](#): > > Let’s hope she never actually suggested such a thing. It’s so far outside the realm of possibility that it’s not even worth consideration. Assange is either deluded or trolling ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/184 "2016-10-04T08:46:45Z")
Assange is definitely in line for assassination, right after they finally get around to killing Ted Nugent. :dubious: The Clinton camp has definitely found a winning strategy, which is to needle Trump in order to goad him into ever-more-extreme fits of anger and incoherence. It doesn’t really matter on what topic - there’s plenty of substance, but substance doesn’t matter in this campaign; what’s key is that it annoys Trump. I mentioned the USA Freedom Kids earlier. Assuming they still haven’t been paid and are still pursuing a case, imagine how annoyed Trump would be if the Clinton campaign (or Hillary personally) paid the outstanding bill, and casually dropped that bomb at an appropriate moment. Clinton paying Trump’s bills? That’ll rankle. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/185 "2016-10-04T09:22:15Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Apparently, the “security concerns” Assuage has are his belief, based on an unsourced claim from a conspiracy theory website, [that Hillary wants to assassinate him with a drone strike.](http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/10/03/conservatives-run-sketchy-conspiracy-website-s-utterly-baseless-claim-clinton-wanted-drone-assange/213499) > > So Trump’s gonna be shouting that one in a day or two. So she may have spoken like that in a closed meeting, according to unreliable sources. [The Donald is all for executing spies](https://twitter.com/search?q=snowden%20from%3Arealdonaldtrump&src=typd), considers it part of what used to make America great even. > [@](#): > > ‏@realDonaldTrump 26 Jun 2013 > “@CoolChange80: @realDonaldTrump Are you really calling for the execution of #Snowden .” He is a traitor, absolutely. Others won’t follow! ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/186 "2016-10-04T09:56:12Z")
> [@naita](#): > > So she may have spoken like that in a closed meeting, according to unreliable sources. [The Donald is all for executing spies](https://twitter.com/search?q=snowden%20from%3Arealdonaldtrump&src=typd), considers it part of what used to make America great even. Yep, the hypocrisy, it burns. They’re outraged by the completely unconfirmed rumor that Clinton said this only because Assange is claiming to have some dirt on Clinton. When the Collateral murder video was released back in 2010 plenty of right wing pundits were calling for extreme measures against Assange. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/187 "2016-10-04T09:56:43Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I mentioned the USA Freedom Kids earlier. Assuming they still haven’t been paid and are still pursuing a case, imagine how annoyed Trump would be if the Clinton campaign (or Hillary personally) paid the outstanding bill, and casually dropped that bomb at an appropriate moment. Clinton paying Trump’s bills? That’ll rankle. Nah - that’s smart and good business to get someone else to pay my bills, And it doesn’t matter if I’m not man enough to pay my own… Anyway - Trump is doing these kids a FAVOUR - see how much publicity they are getting from being screwed over by The Don? Isn’t that better than being paid? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/188 "2016-10-04T10:33:01Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > Nah - that’s smart and good business to get someone else to pay my bills, For any other creditor, that might work. For three young girls doing a performance for Trump’s own campaign? There’s no way it looks good. (The obvious downside is if the group doesn’t want to be used as a weapon to hammer Trump, in which case leave them alone and wish them well with their court case.) > [@](#): > > And it doesn’t matter if I’m not man enough to pay my own… It’s okay - clearly Donald’s campaign has been having a few cashflow issues, and Hillary was happy to help to ensure those adorable girls got the money he owes them. > [@](#): > > Anyway - Trump is doing these kids a FAVOUR - see how much publicity they are getting from being screwed over by The Don? Isn’t that better than being paid? That argument has always worked so well in the past. I seem to recall Martha Stewart pulling that one too. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/189 "2016-10-04T10:40:04Z")
Florida is blue in the [nowcast](http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo#now)… that’s not Florida usual color, is it? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/190 "2016-10-04T10:45:21Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > As We head into the home stretch, you may want to take a few minutes to reflect on the past year or so by enjoying this gallery of NY Daily News election-related front pages. They still can never beat[this one](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/blake-fleetwood/marla-maples-trump-was-th_b_9438540.html) in the Post. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/191 "2016-10-04T11:01:58Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > As We head into the home stretch, you may want to take a few minutes to reflect on the past year or so by enjoying this gallery of NY Daily News election-related front pages. > > [New York Daily News front pages on the presidential election – New York Daily News](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/new-york-daily-news-front-pages-presidential-election-gallery-1.2512941) > Enjoy My favorite was one that never ran, “I’m with Racist” (about Paul Ryan). Oh, and “Another Prick for the Wall.” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/192 "2016-10-04T11:26:09Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Apparently, the “security concerns” Assuage has are his belief, based on an unsourced claim from a conspiracy theory website, [that Hillary wants to assassinate him with a drone strike.](http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/10/03/conservatives-run-sketchy-conspiracy-website-s-utterly-baseless-claim-clinton-wanted-drone-assange/213499) > > So Trump’s gonna be shouting that one in a day or two. I’m guessing it’s more like this: Ecuador, which is housing Assange, has probably been told in no uncertain terms that ‘if you release more potentially election-altering dirt from Russia, you’d better goddamned well hope that Trump wins.’ At which point, I’m guessing someone from within the Ecuadorean embassy probably tapped Julian on the shoulder and said “I think it’s your bedtime.” ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/193 "2016-10-04T11:32:50Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Florida is blue in the [nowcast](http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo#now)… that’s not Florida usual color, is it? Holy crap, the now cast was 72% for Clinton yesterday, now 79%. Yes please, lets hope it gets to 80% and stays there. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/194 "2016-10-04T11:33:57Z")
Even that would be very problematic. DNC secrets are not national security secrets and while acquiring them may be illegal it’s not espionage. Nice to see Democrats get angry with our foreign adversaries about something though. Like costing them an election. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/195 "2016-10-04T11:39:36Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Even that would be very problematic. DNC secrets are not national security secrets and while acquiring them may be illegal it’s not espionage. Nice to see Democrats get angry with our foreign adversaries about something though. Like costing them an election. I can think of one Democrat who boycotted the Olympics out of anger over the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. And one Republican who didn’t learn that invading Afghanistan never works. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/196 "2016-10-04T11:42:45Z")
An ineffectual gesture vs. an effective one? Invading Afghanistan worked fine. The Taliban and Al Qaeda have mostly been driven into Pakistan and our government is still there despite our mostly leaving. How long did the Soviets’ preferred government last? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/197 "2016-10-04T11:43:05Z")
Lol @ Adaher. Yet another Texas paper wholeheartedly endorses Clinton, making it, I think, 7 for 7 in our largest cities: Dallas Fort Worth Houston Austin San Antonio Corpus Christi El Paso SA, CC, and EP endorsed HRC this w/end with CC’s coming out today: > **[Our support for Hillary Clinton is enthusiastic](https://archive.caller.com/opinion/editorials/our-support-for-hillary-clinton-is-enthusiastic-3da79118-75be-1951-e053-0100007f9177-395461761.html/)** > > She is not, as has been sold, a mere lesser of two evils. Her experience and intellect would make her a standout in any group of candidates. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/198 "2016-10-04T11:45:58Z")
Clinton’s got the support of all the powers that be, no question, from Wall Street to the media to the ivory towers to the permanent shadow government itself. All Trump has is ordinary people. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/199 "2016-10-04T11:56:25Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > All Trump has is ordinary people. Simple farmers. People of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know… morons. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/200 "2016-10-04T12:03:25Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Invading Afghanistan worked fine. The Taliban and Al Qaeda have mostly been driven into Pakistan and our government is still there despite our mostly leaving. How long did the Soviets’ preferred government last? The Soviets learned their lesson and decided that Afghanistan is ungovernable. The US still hasn’t figured this out. Much of Afghanistan will never be under government control no matter which government is propped up by whichever outside forces. Yet we continue to pour billions into this rathole, pretending that someday Afghanistan will be a democratic beacon of liberty. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=11)