# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 100
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1984 "2016-10-13T14:05:50Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > It’s OK. Relax. The worst thing in this story is that Podesta thinks Bill Richardson can be kind of a dick. Wow, that should move the needle! Something well known by anyone who has paid attention to Democratic politics already knows - including Bill Richardson. There is a reason he was never tapped as VP. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1985 "2016-10-13T14:07:20Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Anglo is language-based and refers to anybody of any color whose primary language is English Do you have a cite for this usage, by Latin Americans? I have heard “Anglo” used, by people whose primary language _was_ English, and they didn’t mean themselves. Nor did they mean, for example, black Americans. IME, it is clearly an ethnic descriptor, equivalent to “Latino.” ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1986 "2016-10-13T14:08:05Z")
> [@Crybaby\_Boobie](#): > > This would explain why Trump went from being a friend and backer of the Clintons to the current, deranged enemy. He thought he was making “Rapist Friends”. Bill’s no rapist & Trump has been Humiliated ever since. [“Hey Donald… Umm… about that Pardon, You Know…”](https://nyppagesix.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/screen_shot_2014-11-15_at_11-58-02_am_102068929.jpg?quality=90&strip=all) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1987 "2016-10-13T14:09:23Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > This shows what happens when a professional and veteran campaign operation goes up against a bunch of deluded amateurs. Is it, though? Sure, it’s possible the Clinton campaign is behind all of this. But is it possible that some individual, acting on his own initiative, surprised her campaign by leaking the unknown-to-them Billy Bush tape? And that Anderson Cooper – acting on _his_ own initiative – pressed Trump three times on live television until he got that flat ‘no’; and that Clinton’s campaign staff, who’d never heard of Rachel Crooks or Jessica Leeds, was as surprised as anyone else when the two of 'em came forward? Again, maybe that was all them – and maybe they were behind the leak of his tax returns before this, and maybe they’re waiting to release yet another bombshell next week. But AFAIK, they’re not claiming that; and AFAIK, there’s no evidence of it. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1988 "2016-10-13T14:12:31Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > “Needy Latinos” is a yawner in context. Sort of like almost every hacked email so far. I think that it could definitely be offputting - not that it’s going move too many people away this election. Imagine an email titled “needy Black people” discussing which Black politicians they were trying to woo. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1989 "2016-10-13T14:13:54Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > His checkbook can make women lie. Hopefully they are smart enough to cash them first, and then still wait 3 days before spending the money. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1990 "2016-10-13T14:17:29Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Is it, though? > > Sure, it’s possible the Clinton campaign is behind all of this. But is it possible that some individual, acting on his own initiative, surprised her campaign by leaking the unknown-to-them Billy Bush tape? And that Anderson Cooper – acting on _his_ own initiative – pressed Trump three times on live television until he got that flat ‘no’; and that Clinton’s campaign staff, who’d never heard of Rachel Crooks or Jessica Leeds, was as surprised as anyone else when the two of 'em came forward? > > Again, maybe that was all them – and maybe they were behind the leak of his tax returns before this, and maybe they’re waiting to release yet another bombshell next week. But AFAIK, they’re not claiming that; and AFAIK, there’s no evidence of it. Sure, the journalists were doing their job – and I certainly don’t think Cooper was taking cues from anyone except journalism 101 to press Donald on sexual assault. But considering the timing, I think it’s reasonable to suspect that campaign operatives may be involved to some degree. And I don’t think this is a bad thing. This is part of the reason for long political campaigns – to make sure as much as we can that we won’t have a President with a history of terrible behavior which could mar their effectiveness or even result in blackmail. So if Clinton’s campaign operatives found these women months ago, and worked with them to hold back their stories until the “right” time, I’m totally fine with that, as long as they are telling the truth (and I have no reason to believe that they aren’t). ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1991 "2016-10-13T14:17:54Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Is it, though? > > Sure, it’s possible the Clinton campaign is behind all of this. But is it possible that some individual, acting on his own initiative, surprised her campaign by leaking the unknown-to-them Billy Bush tape? And that Anderson Cooper – acting on _his_ own initiative – pressed Trump three times on live television until he got that flat ‘no’; and that Clinton’s campaign staff, who’d never heard of Rachel Crooks or Jessica Leeds, was as surprised as anyone else when the two of 'em came forward? > > Again, maybe that was all them – and maybe they were behind the leak of his tax returns before this, and maybe they’re waiting to release yet another bombshell next week. But AFAIK, they’re not claiming that; and AFAIK, there’s no evidence of it. Yeah, this is probably a combination of largely uncoordinated efforts from multiple parties. Trump would clearly like to believe that it’s a single actor, or a vast conspiracy to discredit him. But when there’s just so much dirt to dig up on Trump, much of which he has gleefully put on public record over the years, it doesn’t take nearly as much effort to sustain a steady stream of damaging news. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1992 "2016-10-13T14:24:38Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Wait. For reals? Yes, for reals. Sorry, I should have provided a link. Here’s one from Daily Kos which I’m sure was lifted from a reputable news source. > **[UPDATE: Fmr contestant: Ivanka confirmed Donald bursting in on naked girls:...](https://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/12/1581433/-15-year-old-Ivanka-re-Donald-bursting-in-on-naked-teenage-girls-Yeah-he-does-that)** > > UPDATE: Just to be clear, I’m not attacking Ivanka here...if what is being suggested here is true, she was a victim herself. > > > So this is the big story making the rounds this morning: > > > Four women who competed in the 1997 Miss... ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1993 "2016-10-13T14:26:53Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > No, Anglo is language-based and refers to anybody of any color whose primary language is English; it is short for _angloparlante_ (English-speaker) like _hispano_ is short for _hispanoparlante_ or _hispanohablante_ (Spanish-speaker). Anglos, like Hispanics, come in all colors. > > What is true is that Anglos tend to think that “Anglo” means “non-Hispanic white”. Many a non-white Anglo has laughed out loud when he found the actual meaning. True. But it’s also used colloquially in San Antonio to also mean “white people”. When somebody tells me “You anglos have very stiff parties compared to the ones we have”, they aren’t referencing language. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1994 "2016-10-13T14:27:48Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > No, Anglo is language-based and refers to anybody of any color whose primary language is English; it is short for _angloparlante_ (English-speaker) like _hispano_ is short for _hispanoparlante_ or _hispanohablante_ (Spanish-speaker). Anglos, like Hispanics, come in all colors. That may be true in Spain. It is not how the word is used in the United States. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1995 "2016-10-13T14:28:11Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I’m now genuinely curious: what the heck can they have Alec Baldwin do, on the next episode of SNL, that would count as comedic _exaggeration?_ act like an actaul, knowledgable, reasonable presedential candidate. Be the trump that trump likes to think he is. ---
**Author:** ![Corry\_El](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@Corry\_El](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corry_El)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1996 "2016-10-13T14:30:06Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Is it, though? > > Sure, it’s possible the Clinton campaign is behind all of this. But is it possible that some individual, acting on his own initiative, surprised her campaign by leaking the unknown-to-them Billy Bush tape? And that Anderson Cooper – acting on _his_ own initiative – pressed Trump three times on live television until he got that flat ‘no’; and that Clinton’s campaign staff, who’d never heard of Rachel Crooks or Jessica Leeds, was as surprised as anyone else when the two of 'em came forward? > > Again, maybe that was all them – and maybe they were behind the leak of his tax returns before this, and maybe they’re waiting to release yet another bombshell next week. But AFAIK, they’re not claiming that; and AFAIK, there’s no evidence of it. A lot of the relationships are subtle when it comes to defining ‘the Clinton campaign’. The various leaked emails among her circle tend to show that. And people act specifically on behalf of candidates they prefer even with no indirect link to the campaign, choosing the timing themselves. For example I don’t think the Trump campaign is directing Russian intel/Wikileaks efforts v Clinton: they are trying to achieve damaging timing v Clinton for their own reasons. It is strange the 11 yr old Bush tape didn’t surface till now. But Trump being asked about it was natural, Cooper just doing his job to press until he got a denial from Trump of actions, then not strange that the combination of the tape and Trump’s denial of actions would make accusers to the contrary come forward when they didn’t earlier. So as far as the sexual misconduct complex of Trump-negative events, the timing of the video leak seems possibly deliberate, but the rest of the domino’s fell naturally. The tax return timing is also ‘interesting’, but untraceable letter the media outlet itself apparently didn’t sit on. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1997 "2016-10-13T14:34:36Z")
45 yr old Trump about 10 yr old girl: [“I’ll be dating her in ten years.”](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/13/1581812/-CBS-releases-tape-of-Donald-Trump-greeting-a-10-year-old-girl-I-ll-be-dating-her-in-10-years) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1998 "2016-10-13T14:41:36Z")
> [@](#): > > Yes, for reals. > > Sorry, I should have provided a link. Here’s one from Daily Kos which I’m sure was lifted from a reputable news source. _Kos_ pretty much always embeds their source/link, and I can’t recall that they’ve ever burned me. In this case, the source is _Buzzfeed_, which I’m a bit skeptical about. That bit about “I’ve seen it all before” is deep-derp-dumb. If you are so damned blase about it, why are you there? ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1999 "2016-10-13T14:55:04Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > _Kos_ pretty much always embeds their source/link, and I can’t recall that they’ve ever burned me. In this case, the source is _Buzzfeed_, which I’m a bit skeptical about. > > That bit about “I’ve seen it all before” is deep-derp-dumb. If you are so damned blase about it, why are you there? Well, he had to inspect everything, didn’t he? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2000 "2016-10-13T15:13:28Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Hillary needs to get Bill off the campaign trail. ASAP > > …There’s even a black guy claiming to be his illegitimate son. The result of an affair he had as Governor… I remember that coming up in the 1992 campaign documentary _The War Room_. There was never anything to it. > [@Smapti](#): > > It’s all bluster and desperation from a cornered animal. If he were to actually sue, then he’d have to testify under oath about whether or not he’s kissed and groped women without their consent, and that’s the _last_ thing Loser Donald wants to do. He’s betting that he can bluff the Times into backing down. Another epic miscalculation by the senior officers of the _Trumptanic_. > [@asahi](#): > > Looks like Trump and his supporters are now nuking their campaign with “Repeal the 19th” (amendment) hashtags and tweets after polls showed Trump could win, if only women didn’t have the right to vote. :smack: > > [Meet Evan McMullin, the Ex-CIA Operative Taking Trump Votes in Utah](http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/meet-evan-mcmullin-ex-cia-operative-taking-trump-votes-utah-n665151) > > Predictably, there’s been an epic backlash. That link is about Evan McMullin. Did you mean something like this?: [http://www.salon.com/2016/10/12/repealthe19th-donald-trump-supporters-tweet-new-anthem-after-nate-silvers-poll-shows-hed-win-if-only-men-voted/](http://www.salon.com/2016/10/12/repealthe19th-donald-trump-supporters-tweet-new-anthem-after-nate-silvers-poll-shows-hed-win-if-only-men-voted/) ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2001 "2016-10-13T15:20:16Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I’m now genuinely curious: what the heck can they have Alec Baldwin do, on the next episode of SNL, that would count as comedic _exaggeration?_ > [@simster](#): > > act like an actaul, knowledgable, reasonable presedential candidate. i.e. [Bizarro Trump](http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/10/1578630/-Cartoon-Bizarro-Trump) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2002 "2016-10-13T15:20:50Z")
It takes a special kind of stupid to support something that couldn’t possibly happen in time to help your cause, and something akin to brain death to be a woman and support this “Repeal the 19th” idiocy. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2003 "2016-10-13T15:22:18Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > Do you have a cite for this usage, by Latin Americans? > > I have heard “Anglo” used, by people whose primary language _was_ English, and they didn’t mean themselves. Nor did they mean, for example, black Americans. > > IME, it is clearly an ethnic descriptor, equivalent to “Latino.” In writing and in English? No. In actual, 3D, outside the Internet life? My experience in Miami, Houston, and in projects that included Americans in Costa Rica, Argentina, Brazil, Mexico… Hell, I’ve told before the story of that black student who came over when I was tutoring two Cuban-Americans, we’d shifted to Spanish and shifted back to English as soon as we noticed him; he said we didn’t need to, we said we absolutely did, it would not be polite to stay in Spanish because “you’re Anglo, right?” “ANGLO?” “Well, yeah, sorry, to us it means you speak English and not Spanish… it’s not about where your grandparents were from” “Oh man, my grandmother will love this! She marched with Rosa Parks!” Other people who were called Anglo by people from Cuba, the Dominican Republic, Peru or Mexico in my presence happened to have ancestry or have been born in Vietnam, Taiwan, or be Nth generation Chinese-American. My coworkers from India were also Anglo, but I think it never happened to come up in their presence. The Hispanic part of the team included Colombian, Argentinian, Venezuelan, Dominican, Cuban-American… You are commingling two “anglos”. The Anglo of Anglos and the Anglo of Hispanics are different ones. Anglos refer to ancestry, Hispanics to language. **RickJay** , my work history actually involves more time in Latin American environments than in Spain. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=99) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=101)