# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 101
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2004 "2016-10-13T15:23:01Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I think it fair to say the third debate could make the second debate look like a cute first date. Trump is losing, cornered, and angry. > > I’d put it at 40% likely he will openly accuse Clinton of murder. I don’t mean “Benghazi is your fault.” I mean **he is going to actually say she personally murdered someone**. Perhaps Vince Foster, perhaps Antonin Scalia, perhaps someone else. Debate #2 was just an appetizer train wreck. This one could be an asteroid strike. I was thinking that too. That’s the one Breitbart shoe that hasn’t dropped yet. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2005 "2016-10-13T15:39:15Z")
As I’ve stated elsewhere, I think Clinton even showing up for the third debate would be a big mistake. She has nothing to gain by such an appearance and a healthy amount to lose. Let her issue a statement that she sees no purpose to be filled by debating a person who isn’t even supported by his own party, and let the chips fall where they may. She won’t lose any voters over such a decision, and Trump won’t gain any. So why take any chances? Do a major scandal drop on his ass tomorrow, then announce Monday that the debate is off. ---
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2006 "2016-10-13T15:42:34Z")
I don’t get the logic of that. Both debates have proven net negatives for Trump and neutral-to-positive for Clinton. Ducking the last debate would make her look like she was afraid to face down a blowhard, which she isn’t; why give the prospect any oxygen? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2007 "2016-10-13T15:43:38Z")
I don’t think Hillary needs to debate, but not doing so would make it seem as if she’s afraid of him. I say show up and let Donald try to answer for his perversions while she stays presidential and above the fray. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2008 "2016-10-13T15:44:41Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > As I’ve stated elsewhere, I think Clinton even showing up for the third debate would be a big mistake. She has nothing to gain by such an appearance and a healthy amount to lose. Let her issue a statement that she sees no purpose to be filled by debating a person who isn’t even supported by his own party, and let the chips fall where they may. She won’t lose any voters over such a decision, and Trump won’t gain any. So why take any chances? Do a major scandal drop on his ass tomorrow, then announce Monday that the debate is off. I think this is pretty accurate. Trump will do the same thing he thinks worked on the last debate. She needs do no more than point out that he’s not interested in debating anything substantive, instead, he’s just using this as to capture an audience to rant his typical rant. The election is hers, she needs do very little else. Let her campaign fight Trump. ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2009 "2016-10-13T15:46:26Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > As I’ve stated elsewhere, I think Clinton even showing up for the third debate would be a big mistake. She has nothing to gain by such an appearance and a healthy amount to lose. Let her issue a statement that she sees no purpose to be filled by debating a person who isn’t even supported by his own party, and let the chips fall where they may. She won’t lose any voters over such a decision, and Trump won’t gain any. So why take any chances? Do a major scandal drop on his ass tomorrow, then announce Monday that the debate is off. This. There’s no point in her engaging him. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2010 "2016-10-13T15:47:32Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > As I’ve stated elsewhere, I think Clinton even showing up for the third debate would be a big mistake. She has nothing to gain by such an appearance and a healthy amount to lose. Let her issue a statement that she sees no purpose to be filled by debating a person who isn’t even supported by his own party, and let the chips fall where they may. She won’t lose any voters over such a decision, and Trump won’t gain any. So why take any chances? Do a major scandal drop on his ass tomorrow, then announce Monday that the debate is off. Needs a little more diabolical finesse. She should send notice to the RNC(CC to the press, of course) that she fully intends to debate their candidate of choice…but with all the brouhaha going on, she’s just not sure if Trump is still their candidate of choice, and would they mind officially confirming or denying his current position in their party? ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2011 "2016-10-13T15:51:03Z")
Agreed with the folks saying Clinton debating is good, not bad. Trump’s blather is so fact-free that he can say almost anything and be believed by his devoted followers. And darn near nobody else. The debate puts a plug in his face for a couple hours at least. It’s truly the only time any of the undecided Rs or wavering Trumpees will ever see Clinton directly, rather than a Breitbart- or Faux-driven caricature of her. Her only demographic to make further gains with is those folks: undecided Rs or wavering Trumpees. So that’s where she has to go. To produce a truly epic defeat for Trump, rather than a mere loss, requires a lot of the sensible Rs to be willing to say “I now see she’s not a sulphur-spewing devil.” Her ducking out on the debate won’t do that. Besides, maybe just maybe he’ll truly wig out as several folks predicted about debate #2: e.g. try to assault Clinton, start shouting Heil Putin, insist that as President he’ll have the right to de-virginize all the brides in his realm, etc. ETA: I especially like **Czarcasm** ’s diabolical finesse. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2012 "2016-10-13T15:54:11Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > That may be true in Spain. It is not how the word is used in the United States. I agree. “Anglos” in the US does not include English-speaking blacks or Asians. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2013 "2016-10-13T15:54:29Z")
Trump’s supposedly giving a speech/statement in five minutes. Clinton is terrible, everyone is lying, buy Trump steaks, etc. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2014 "2016-10-13T15:57:08Z")
The Onion, a fine news source, is withholding endorsement of a Presidential candidate because neither Trump nor Clinton have returned their 10 question questionnaire. See the document yourself here: > **[‘The Onion’ Is Withholding Our Endorsement For President Until Both...](https://www.theonion.com/the-onion-is-withholding-our-endorsement-for-presiden-1819579352)** > > The American people are faced with a momentous choice in this election, one that this newspaper, with its 260-year record of reportage, believes to be among the most crucial in the history of our republic. Our nation is beset by grave threats, both... (Question 1: What do you consider to be the most important issue facing our nation? 1- Coal prices 2-Other.) ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2015 "2016-10-13T15:59:12Z")
Not new to anyone here, but the _Washington Post_ has an [article](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/13/how-donald-trumps-and-his-campaigns-own-words-are-coming-back-to-bite-them/) rounding up some of the recent allegations and how the Trump campaign’s own statements are now working against them. For example. four days ago, Kellyanne Conway tweeted, “Every survivor of sexual assault deserves to be heard, believed, and supported,” an attack on Hillary Clinton for her response to Bill’s accusers. Now, she has to say she doesn’t believe Trump’s accusers. Whoops! I didn’t see it mentioned here yet (but it probably was): Miss Utah 1997 reported being kissed by Trump at the pageant (via [TPM](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/temple-taggart-mcdowell-trump-unwated-kiss)). In an interview with the _New York Times_ she said the publication of the 2005 tape gave her the freedom to come forward. “It was like, ‘Thank you.’ Now no one can say I made this up,” she told the _Times_. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2016 "2016-10-13T15:59:43Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > _Kos_ pretty much always embeds their source/link, and I can’t recall that they’ve ever burned me. In this case, the source is _Buzzfeed_, which I’m a bit skeptical about. > > That bit about “I’ve seen it all before” is deep-derp-dumb. If you are so damned blase about it, why are you there? To quote Ron White: “Once you’ve seen one woman naked, you want to see them all naked.” Though I’m sure he would draw the line at underage kids. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2017 "2016-10-13T16:02:21Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > In this case, the source is _Buzzfeed_, which I’m a bit skeptical about. Buzzfeed has been doing some of the best reporting on this election all year. In fact, their big political team just jumped ship to sign on with CNN. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2018 "2016-10-13T16:03:07Z")
[Some Republicans are falling in line behind Trump again](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/10/12/daily-202-republican-politicians-fall-back-in-line-behind-trump-after-defecting/57fd7a23e9b69b059243020a/?tid=pm_politics_pop_b): > [@](#): > > The senior senator from Nebraska tweeted this on Saturday: > > The comments made by Mr. Trump were disgusting and totally unacceptable under any circumstance. (1/2) > — Deb Fischer (@DebFischerNE) October 8, 2016 > > ``` > It would be wise for him to step aside and allow Mike Pence to serve as our party's nominee. (2/2) > — Deb Fischer (@DebFischerNE) October 8, 2016 > > ``` > > But yesterday during a radio interview, she announced that she will vote for Trump after all. “He decided he would not step aside. I respect his decision,” Deb Fischer told the Lincoln radio affiliate KLIN. "I support the Republican ticket, and it’s a Trump-Pence ticket… To me, it’s not a tough choice.” > > Darryl Glenn, the Republican nominee against Sen. Michael Bennet in Colorado, said Saturday that Trump must step aside. “America cannot have a man who speaks this way about women be the face of our country to the Free World,” he said in a statement. > > But facing backlash from Trump supporters, Glenn — who already has no realistic path to victory — backtracked. He says watching the debate Sunday night changed his mind. “Donald Trump did what he absolutely had to do,” Glenn said on Fox News. “I think he reset this campaign.” So, if you think an R has redeemed themselves somewhat by finally (_finally_) taking a stand against a known sexual assaulter and likely rapist, be sure to see what they’ve said _lately_. They might have re-discovered their conservative credentials. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2019 "2016-10-13T16:05:26Z")
Trump was supposed to appear on Hannity today, [but he just backed out](http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/13/media/donald-trump-media-strategy/index.html). He _must_ be feeling the heat. Hannity’s practically Trump’s biggest booster. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2020 "2016-10-13T16:10:21Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Trump was supposed to appear on Hannity today, [but he just backed out](http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/13/media/donald-trump-media-strategy/index.html). > > He _must_ be feeling the heat. Hannity’s practically Trump’s biggest booster. We should call Hannity to see what happened. I’m sure it’s what Trump would want. Donald “Whaddaya mean, you don’t get to ‘Phone A Friend’ in a debate?” Trump ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2021 "2016-10-13T16:17:45Z")
Welcome to [airplane armrest truthers!](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-armrest-truther_us_57ff1a78e4b0162c0439fcb6) > [@](#): > > Donald Trump spokeswoman Katrina Pierson…told CNN’s Don Lemon that the incident couldn’t have happened as described because the armrests on planes back then didn’t move. > > “Guess what? First-class seats have fixed armrests!” she said. “So what I can tell you about her story, if she was groped on a plane, it wasn’t by Donald Trump and it certainly wasn’t in first class.” But, almost before you could say “Hillary inspected 9/11 wreckage with Rudy the very next day,” people found pix of movable armrests in first class seats in airplanes from that era, which are at the link. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2022 "2016-10-13T16:22:25Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I don’t think Hillary needs to debate, but not doing so would make it seem as if she’s afraid of him. I say show up and let Donald try to answer for his perversions while she stays presidential and above the fray. Agreed. I see much greater risk in bowing out of the debate than showing up for it. Not that I think it would tank her chances for winning, but net-net she’s better off debating. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2023 "2016-10-13T16:22:34Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Trump was supposed to appear on Hannity today, [but he just backed out](http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/13/media/donald-trump-media-strategy/index.html). > > He _must_ be feeling the heat. Hannity’s practically Trump’s biggest booster. In the article they speculate whether or not Trump will show up for the third debate. I’m thinking no way in hell Trump doesn’t show up for the third debate. If Trump is destined to win any of the debates, it would be this one. He’s got a handicap. He’ll still lose of course. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=100) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=102)