# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 103
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2044 "2016-10-13T17:10:41Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Of course Clinton should show at the last debate. > > I would however love to see the balance of her focus shift. > > The point that Trump is unqualified to be president is now well made and will continue to be made outside of the debate stage. Those who don’t get it now never will. On that stage step above that. Beating that drum too much does not appear presidential. > > Focus more on being relatable yourself, with stories you’ve heard from real people across all demographics and, in big brushstrokes, how you intend to address those problems. QFT. Main thing I’d add is that she hardly needs to respond to anything Trump says any more; she should devote almost all of her time to the “Focus more on being relatable yourself, with stories you’ve heard from real people across all demographics and, in big brushstrokes, how you intend to address those problems” part. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2045 "2016-10-13T17:11:57Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Adams, of course, is very angry at women about all this. > > [http://blog.dilbert.com/post/151737656851/the-era-of-women](http://blog.dilbert.com/post/151737656851/the-era-of-women) > [@](#): > > Everything that goes wrong with the country from this point forward is women’s fault. > > I feel some relief about that. The next four years are likely to be some of the worst in our country’s history. The Republican establishment will make sure of that because a failed America is in their best interest in the short run. “Women’s fault” :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2046 "2016-10-13T17:14:38Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > From three days ago: > > “Donald Trump turned in perhaps the most effective performance in the history of presidential debates on Sunday night.” > > Buchanan is further removed from reality than Adams is. I thought you were kidding. [Holy moly.](http://buchanan.org/blog/the-donald-lives-125811) [QUOTE=Pat Buchanan] He rattled Hillary Clinton, firmed up and rallied his base, halted the stampede of the cut-and-run Republicans, and exposed the hypocrisy of liberal and secular celebrants of the ’60s “sexual revolution,” who have suddenly gotten religion where Trump is involved. Trump exposed the fraudulence of the Clintons’ clucking concern for sexually abused women, brought Pence back into camp, turned the tables and changed the subject from the Trump tapes to the Trump triumph at Washington University. [/QUOTE] If that was a triumph, I wonder what a defeat looks like? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2047 "2016-10-13T17:16:09Z")
So, this last week or so? Was that the “pivot”? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2048 "2016-10-13T17:20:55Z")
I’m pretty sure that in another six months we’ll be turning the corner. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2049 "2016-10-13T17:24:26Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > I thought you were kidding. [Holy moly.](http://buchanan.org/blog/the-donald-lives-125811)If that was a triumph, I wonder what a defeat looks like? Pat Buchanan must confuse a triumph with a dead [fat] cat bounce. ---
**Author:** ![Anny\_Middon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2050 "2016-10-13T17:29:50Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Of course Clinton should show at the last debate. > > I would however love to see the balance of her focus shift. > > The point that Trump is unqualified to be president is now well made and will continue to be made outside of the debate stage. Those who don’t get it now never will. On that stage step above that. Beating that drum too much does not appear presidential. > > Focus more on being relatable yourself, with stories you’ve heard from real people across all demographics and, in big brushstrokes, how you intend to address those problems. > > Be prepared to attack the idea of economic isolationism as a death sentence for our economy, to defend your view that America needs good trade agreements and your confidence in our country to thrive in our unavoidably globally interconnected world. > > The message to emphasize: Is it corny? Yeah. But it is also true and what we need to hear her say. > > Of course the Cubs will be on so not sure I’ll be hearing it! She should have plenty of opportunity to do just this. [Debate topics are:](http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/10/what_trump_and_clinton_will_talk_about_at_the_3rd.html) > [@](#): > > Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump will square off on the national debt, the economy, Supreme Court and three other subjects at their third and final presidential debate scheduled for Wednesday in Las Vegas. > > [snip] > > Besides debt and entitlements, the economy and the Supreme Court, the candidates also will be asked questions on immigration, foreign hot spots and their fitness to be president. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2051 "2016-10-13T17:29:54Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Trump was considered to have performed better in the second debate than the first but still lost it by a large margin and is still plummeting in the polls. He said some things that sparked even more disgust against him. The odds that Trump will do more damage to himself than Clinton in the third debate are very high. There is no upside for Clinton refusing to show up for the debate. It’s the political equivalent of Muhammad Ali’s rope-a-dope technique, where you allow an opponent to knock himself out while he thinks he has you on the ropes. Trump did a good job of attacking Hillary in the second debate, but that doesn’t help him at all. Dislike for Hillary is already fully baked in to every poll, what he needed to do was make a case for himself and at that he failed utterly. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2052 "2016-10-13T17:32:03Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > [Some Republicans are falling in line behind Trump again](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/10/12/daily-202-republican-politicians-fall-back-in-line-behind-trump-after-defecting/57fd7a23e9b69b059243020a/?tid=pm_politics_pop_b):So, if you think an R has redeemed themselves somewhat by finally (_finally_) taking a stand against a known sexual assaulter and likely rapist, be sure to see what they’ve said _lately_. They might have re-discovered their conservative credentials. Or, more likely, discovered that Trump still has millions of myrmidons who will leave the downballot blank if the Republican candidate is a weak-kneed RINO backstabber who doesn’t have The Donald’s back. Stand by Trump, and lose the relatively respectable conservatives. Distance yourself from Trump, and lose the basket of deplorables. Waffle back and forth, and lose some of each. These guys are big-red-capital-Superman-“S” screwed, and they brought it on themselves by building a party that provided il Doofus with a natural home. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2053 "2016-10-13T17:35:09Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > No kidding. 80% of success is showing up, and to have the next President refuse to show up at one of three debates organized by a respected organization would be terrible. Carter skipped one debate, leaving the floor to Reagan and Anderson, by the way. It did not end well for Carter, obviously. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2054 "2016-10-13T17:36:32Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > I thought you were kidding. [Holy moly.](http://buchanan.org/blog/the-donald-lives-125811)If that was a triumph, I wonder what a defeat looks like? > [@GIGObuster](#): > > Pat Buchanan must confuse a triumph with a dead [fat] cat bounce. I think the debate was a triumph in terms of Trump’s persistence, his unwavering dedication to his victory, his single-minded determination. If nothing else, it was a triumph of his will. I’m sure Buchanan perceived this. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2055 "2016-10-13T17:36:59Z")
NYT responds to Trump threat. [Aw, snap!](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuqivY3WIAAPFpY.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2056 "2016-10-13T17:41:07Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > I think the debate was a triumph in terms of Trump’s persistence, his unwavering dedication to his victory, his single-minded determination. If nothing else, it was a triumph of his will. I’m sure Buchanan perceived this. I see what you did here. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2057 "2016-10-13T17:42:46Z")
Well, Trump saying that he couldn’t have assaulted the People Magazine writer because she’s not hot enough should do wonders to increase his woman voter share. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2058 "2016-10-13T17:48:11Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Well, Trump saying that he couldn’t have assaulted the People Magazine writer because she’s not hot enough should do wonders to increase his woman voter share. I hesitate to ask, but is that a joke, or did he really say that? I can’t tell anymore. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2059 "2016-10-13T17:49:16Z")
> [@MeanJoe](#): > > Watching Michelle Obama’s speech on MSNBC right now. This woman needs to run for office. President Obama is an extremely lucky man. Guarantee excerpts of this speech will be all over Facebook by end of day. i was listening as well. so lovely to hear a well crafted, thoughtful, cohesive, speech. just wonderful. now i’m listening to donald. le sigh. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2060 "2016-10-13T17:49:24Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > NYT responds to Trump threat. > > [Aw, snap!](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuqivY3WIAAPFpY.jpg) Ha ha! The NYT says that they could not have possibly damaged Trump’s reputation, because he had already done that to himself by bragging about assaulting women. They go on to say that they welcome a chance to have a court of law affirm that. AKA: Bring it, fool. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2061 "2016-10-13T17:51:40Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > I hesitate to ask, but is that a joke, or did he really say that? I can’t tell anymore. ☹ His defense was “Look at her […] You tell me what you think” [Tweet w/ video clip](https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/786623720072749056) ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2062 "2016-10-13T17:53:21Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > No one respects debates more than Trump does, and no one is better at debating than he is, either! He’s practically a [Disney Hero](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuJTqmpBnI0&feature=youtu.be&t=4)…!\* \* \*\* \*\* \*\* \*\* \*\* \*\* \*Full sized hands sold seperately ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2063 "2016-10-13T17:53:32Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > NYT responds to Trump threat. > > [Aw, snap!](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuqivY3WIAAPFpY.jpg) Oh man. That’s a thing of beauty [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=102) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=104)