# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 107
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2124 "2016-10-13T21:10:35Z")
NY Times responds to Trump’s threat to sue them. _“The essence of a libel claim, of course, is the protection of one’s reputation. Mr. Trump has bragged about his non-consensual sexual touching of women. He has bragged about intruding on beauty pageant contestants in their dressing rooms. He acquiesced to a radio host’s request to discuss Mr. Trump’s own daughter as a ‘piece of ass.’ Multiple women not mentioned in our article have publicly come forward to report on Mr. Trump’s unwanted advances. Nothing in our article has had the slightest effect on the reputation that Mr. Trump, through his own words and actions, has already created for himself.”_ Sue away Donald. Might as well add loser to your resume too. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2125 "2016-10-13T21:13:44Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > Katrina Pierson says that no groping occurred because there are [fixed seats in first class.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/katrina-pierson-uses-curious-aviation-defense-against-trump-accusations-181414361.html) This is the best part of that: > [@](#): > > A CNN panel burst into laughter when Katrina Pierson, who has been with the Trump team since November 2015, invoked what critics have dubbed the “aviation defense.” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2126 "2016-10-13T21:14:52Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > It’s so hard to fathom the thought process of someone doing something like this. Does he believe that his action makes him, what, noble? Righteous? The Hand of God? How about sociopath? That’s what republicans have turned into. I keep saying it: They will ultimately go too far. I don’t know what too far means, but they will. I think that as sick as this is, it’s still within the boundaries of a perverse new ‘normal’. But eventually, it will cross a line that makes even republicans think twice. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2127 "2016-10-13T21:19:13Z")
Holy Shit. Fox News [is reporting](https://www.yahoo.com/news/ghost-ship-jesus-spotted-lake-171526043.html) that Jesus Christ is walking on Lake Superior carrying his staff! ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2128 "2016-10-13T21:24:14Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > How about sociopath? > > That’s what republicans have turned into. I keep saying it: They will ultimately go too far. I don’t know what too far means, but they will. I think that as sick as this is, it’s still within the boundaries of a perverse new ‘normal’. But eventually, it will cross a line that makes even republicans think twice. Some believe that the GOP is about to fracture into at least two parties: one touting the traditional Republican identifiers (fiscal conservatism, the primacy of the corporation over the individual, privatization of most government functions), and the other for the Deplorables: those whose thought processes are flooded with hatred and fear. These will take as their banner the destruction of any person or persons who could challenge the white straight Christian male’s supremacy; sociopathic means to this end will be not only used, but celebrated. Perhaps a test will be devised to separate likely adherents of each new party. A good question to include would be: How likely are you to publish the name and address of a woman who accuses your candidate of sexual misconduct? ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2129 "2016-10-13T21:27:55Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > So, this last week or so? Was that the “pivot”? It feels to me like the entire political class, the highbrow press, the tv media and just about every form of media has lain in wait for exactly the right moment, and now in the middle of the debates and with 4 weeks of the election they’re opening up from every angle. It’s like the Trump landing crafts have beached and lowered their exits - and now you throw everything you have at them as if your lives depend on it. I have no idea what I thought and said 30 years ago but I hope to hell no one ever recorded it: 25-30 year old stories, really? And the media are lapping this up with liberal high ground fervour as if it’s something aid last week. This is the big fight back: above all else, it feels almost coordinated ---
**Author:** ![Junior\_Spaceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Junior\_Spaceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Junior_Spaceman)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2130 "2016-10-13T21:30:48Z")
Dinesh D’Souza, champion of phony ‘religious values’, [proves what many of us have suspected about him for a long time](https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/786537269997899777): > [@](#): > > I guess it is now fine for men to use women’s bathrooms but not for the CEO of Miss Universe to walk into a woman’s dressing room ---
**Author:** ![Junior\_Spaceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Junior\_Spaceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Junior_Spaceman)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2131 "2016-10-13T21:32:08Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > It feels to me like the entire political class, the highbrow press, the tv media and just about every form of media has lain in wait for exactly the right moment, and now in the middle of the debates and with 4 weeks of the election they’re opening up from every angle. > > It’s like the Trump landing crafts have beached and lowered their exits - and now you throw everything you have at them as if your lives depend on it. > > I have no idea what I thought and said 30 years ago but I hope to hell no one ever recorded it: 25-30 year old stories, really? And the media are lapping this up with liberal high ground fervour as if it’s something aid last week. > > This is the big fight back: above all else, it feels almost coordinated Another way to look at it is that maybe you shouldn’t run for President if you’ve spent most of your life sexually assaulting women. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2132 "2016-10-13T21:32:10Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > No, what I am saying is that the New York Times’s valid defense is that under libel law as applied to public figures, this is not libel. > > If it had been libel, (say, for example, if Trump had not been a public figure) then the Times could not defend itself by saying “she’s the one who said it!” > > That’s not because there’s a “transitive property of libel,” but because the Times published the libel. If it appears in an article published by the Times, then the Times is the publisher/speaker of the defamatory statement, even if it’s in quotation marks. Attributing it to someone else is not a defense. But – as per what was pointed out above – other newspapers are now publishing articles that of course quote the Times quoting Ms. Leeds; do you think those other papers can be sued for libel likewise? ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2133 "2016-10-13T21:34:18Z")
> [@Junior\_Spaceman](#): > > Another way to look at it is that maybe you shouldn’t run for President if you’ve spent most of your life sexually assaulting women. It would be if I was talking about that. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2134 "2016-10-13T21:35:03Z")
In any event, here is where the real Christians are sorely tested. If they are actual, Jesus believing Christians of faith, they cannot support a man who is the very embodiment of the seven deadly sins. If they’re Christians in name - cultural not faith - then they don’t have a problem with the sin, since they don’t actually believe in what Jesus taught. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2135 "2016-10-13T21:37:48Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > In any event, here is where the real Christians are sorely tested. If they are actual, Jesus believing Christians of faith, they cannot support a man who is the very embodiment of the seven deadly sins. If they’re Christians in name - cultural not faith - then they don’t have a problem with the sin, since they don’t actually believe in what Jesus taught. KA-Ching! DING DING DING DING DING … I’m beginning to believe that only Trump could violate every Commandment with one damning action. ---
**Author:** ![Junior\_Spaceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Junior\_Spaceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Junior_Spaceman)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2136 "2016-10-13T21:39:07Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > It would be if I was talking about that. At this point, taking note of the people and institutions who are still supporting Trump is much more instructive than looking at the ones trying to expose him. ---
**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2137 "2016-10-13T21:42:22Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > … I have no idea what I thought and said 30 years ago but I hope to hell no one ever recorded it: 25-30 year old stories, really? And the media are lapping this up with liberal high ground fervour as if it’s something aid last week. > … 20-30 years ago, if you were a flaming asshole who discriminated against blacks, played fast and loose with other peoples money, and sexually assaulted women who you had power over, then it’s pretty likely you’re still pretty much that guy today. Especially when you have spent the last 2 years in the public eye basically giving us that idea anyway. Was anyone really surprised that DJT said those remarks on the bus? Nope. Sounds exactly like something he would say. So, yeah, he’s a flaming pile of shit today, and now we have evidence that he was a flaming pile of shit before. I’m going out on a limb here and say I fully expect to continue being a flaming pile of shit. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2138 "2016-10-13T21:51:35Z")
> [@leftfield6](#): > > … > I’m going out on a limb here and say I fully expect **[]** to continue being a flaming pile of shit. Bolded brackets mine. I think you forgot a word right there. Kinda awkward. 🙂 Otherwise I heartily endorse your post. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2139 "2016-10-13T21:51:45Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > What planet is he living on? Apparently, a planet where a billionaire “master persuader” can’t convince women to let him touch them consentually. The reality is that Trump couldn’t persuade his way out of a paper bag of flaming dog shit. The irony is that Adams’ stupid theory is what prevented him from seeing the obvious. The revelations weren’t a “meteor”; they were completely inevitable (not the exact details, but something like it). Only someone that starts with the premise that Trump has some kind of persuasive superpower would be surprised. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2140 "2016-10-13T21:55:14Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > The irony is that Adams’ stupid theory is what prevented him from seeing the obvious. The revelations weren’t a “meteor”; they were completely inevitable (not the exact details, but something like it). Only someone that starts with the premise that Trump has some kind of persuasive superpower would be surprised. Sadly for both Adams and Trump, your character actually does matter more than your superpowers of persuasion. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2141 "2016-10-13T22:00:24Z")
This [Howard Stern footage](https://twitter.com/_SidVerma/status/786614831604441088) of Stern calling Trump a sexual predator and Trump giving a “yeah, ya got me” smirk and nod will look great in a campaign ad. No, I don’t think it’s “evidence” – it’s just a really unfortunate bit of footage considering the week’s events. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2142 "2016-10-13T22:00:43Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > It feels to me like the entire political class, the highbrow press, the tv media and just about every form of media has lain in wait for exactly the right moment, and now in the middle of the debates and with 4 weeks of the election they’re opening up from every angle. > > It’s like the Trump landing crafts have beached and lowered their exits - and now you throw everything you have at them as if your lives depend on it. > > I have no idea what I thought and said 30 years ago but I hope to hell no one ever recorded it: 25-30 year old stories, really? And the media are lapping this up with liberal high ground fervour as if it’s something aid last week. > > This is the big fight back: above all else, it feels almost coordinated The mainstream press does not coordinate nor does it hold back political scandal stories for when they will have the most impact. Simply doesn’t happen. Period. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2143 "2016-10-13T22:07:05Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > [Lou Dobbs of Fox News put out a tweet containing the address and phone number of one of Trump’s sexual assault accusers.](https://thinkprogress.org/fox-news-anchor-doxxes-woman-who-accused-trump-of-groping-her-ee4fd34c6e93#.6jgf13jf4) I knew Lou Dobbs was very conservative, but now we also know what a bastard he is. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=106) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=108)