# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 108
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2144 "2016-10-13T22:13:36Z")
Aren’t there at least some laws in some jurisdictions against cyberbullying? What he did is pretty much the cyberbully equivalent of shouting fire in a crowded theater. There will be a stampede. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2145 "2016-10-13T22:16:05Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > It feels to me like the entire political class, the highbrow press, the tv media and just about every form of media has lain in wait for exactly the right moment […] General query: At what point are conservatives finally going to start admitting that **they** are part of the “political class”, the “highbrow press”, the “tv media”, and all the other “forms of media” as well? We’ve got Fox News, we’ve got conservative talk radio, we’ve got Breitbart, we’ve got the Tea Party, we’ve got the corridors of power chock-full of influential conservatives, many of whom still support Trump. But when a conservative politician steps on his own dick and starts garnering a bunch of well-earned contempt and criticism, many conservatives still try to play that tired old card about being the unsophisticated down-home underdogs who are getting ganged up on by the Machiavellian “insider” elites. You’re not fooling anybody anymore, folks. > [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > I have no idea what I thought and said 30 years ago 😕 You don’t? Are you older than, say, 45? Most older adults can expect to have at least a general awareness of the **sorts** of things they thought and said when they were 30-years-younger adults. (With the usual “if you can remember the sixties you weren’t there” exceptions, I suppose. ;)) In any case, if you really have no idea what you were like 30 years ago, you probably at least have the common sense not to run for high public office and give the world a chance to find out. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2146 "2016-10-13T22:22:40Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > It feels to me like the entire political class, the highbrow press, the tv media and just about every form of media has lain in wait for exactly the right moment, and now in the middle of the debates and with 4 weeks of the election they’re opening up from every angle. > It’s like the Trump landing crafts have beached and lowered their exits - and now you throw everything you have at them as if your lives depend on it. > > I have no idea what I thought and said 30 years ago but I hope to hell no one ever recorded it: 25-30 year old stories, really? And the media are lapping this up with liberal high ground fervour as if it’s something [s]aid last week. > This is the big fight back: above all else, it feels almost coordinated What you are missing here is that all this IS a response to something said last week (if you call last Sunday “last week”)— > [@](#): > > Cooper: [Attempt #1:] Just for the record, though, are you saying that what you said on that bus 11 years ago that you did not actually kiss women without consent or grope women without consent? > Trump: I have great respect for women. Nobody has more respect for women than I do. > Cooper: [Attempt #2:] : So, for the record, you’re saying you never did that? > Trump: I’ve said things that, frankly, you hear these things I said. And I was embarrassed by it. But I have tremendous respect for women. > Cooper: [Attempt #3:] : Have you ever done those things? > Trump: And women have respect for me. And I will tell you: **No, I have not**. It was Trump’s “No, I have not” that led to people who knew that he had, in fact, done “those things,” deciding that they couldn’t let Trump’s claim go unchallenged. The “media” did not force Trump to make that claim. It was his own choice. The issue is not the distant past of “25-30 year old stories.” \*The issue is what Trump said four days ago. \* [http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/questioning-by-anderson-cooper-credited-with-clearing-way-for-new-trump-reports/308046](http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/questioning-by-anderson-cooper-credited-with-clearing-way-for-new-trump-reports/308046) ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2147 "2016-10-13T22:32:37Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > OK, so maybe I’m being paranoid about the 3rd debate. It’s just that this election is a tipping point in history, and would really rather not live in this country if it goes the wrong way. And I’m too fucking old to be moving to Tasmania. I think Clinton needs to do it. She’s better at debating and I’ve read several articles suggesting that Trump’s polling with women is in a tailspin – that’s an advantage that Clinton can exploit just by being in his presence. ---
**Author:** ![bmoak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9dc877/32.png) [@bmoak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bmoak)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2148 "2016-10-13T22:36:07Z")
> [@MeanJoe](#): > > Watching Michelle Obama’s speech on MSNBC right now. This woman needs to run for office. President Obama is an extremely lucky man. Guarantee excerpts of this speech will be all over Facebook by end of day. The question is: Will Trump go there and how ugly will he get? Michelle Obama is about the one target he hasn’t sprayed vitriol at yet, but that’s almost certain to change, especially considering Breitbart is running the campaign and how hated FLOTUS is among the alt-right. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2149 "2016-10-13T22:37:02Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > Holy Shit. Fox News [is reporting](https://www.yahoo.com/news/ghost-ship-jesus-spotted-lake-171526043.html) that Jesus Christ is walking on Lake Superior carrying his staff! Have they got in a body language expert on that yet? ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2150 "2016-10-13T22:37:07Z")
If this has been posted already in another thread, mea culpa. A short but plausible (to me, who is not a shrink) article about what makes Trump tick. Written by David Brooks, no less. [http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/donald-trump’s-sad-lonely-life/ar-BBxgUbe?li=BBnb7Kz](http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/donald-trump%e2%80%99s-sad-lonely-life/ar-BBxgUbe?li=BBnb7Kz) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2151 "2016-10-13T22:41:29Z")
> [@Junior\_Spaceman](#): > > Dinesh D’Souza, champion of phony ‘religious values’, [proves what many of us have suspected about him for a long time](https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/786537269997899777): > > > [@](#): > > > > I guess it is now fine for men to use women’s bathrooms but not for the CEO of Miss Universe to walk into a woman’s dressing room Is that the same Miss Universe whom he called a fat pig? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2152 "2016-10-13T23:00:12Z")
> [@leftfield6](#): > > 20-30 years ago, if you were a flaming asshole who discriminated against blacks, played fast and loose with other peoples money, and sexually assaulted women who you had power over, then it’s pretty likely you’re still pretty much that guy today. > > Especially when you have spent the last 2 years in the public eye basically giving us that idea anyway. Was anyone really surprised that DJT said those remarks on the bus? Nope. Sounds exactly like something he would say. So, yeah, he’s a flaming pile of shit today, and now we have evidence that he was a flaming pile of shit before. > > I’m going out on a limb here and say I fully expect to continue being a flaming pile of shit. “When someone shows you who they are believe them; the first time.” ― Maya Angelou ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2153 "2016-10-13T23:06:53Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > This is the big fight back: above all else, it feels almost coordinated Of course it is. Even with Trump’s promise of giant tax cuts for the wealthy he would be a disaster for the elite power structure. Do you expect them to just twiddle their thumbs? Trump is a pathogen and the country’s immune system is rejecting him. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2154 "2016-10-13T23:07:08Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > I knew Lou Dobbs was very conservative, but now we also know what a bastard he is. The best part is that Dobbs’ tweet was complaining that this is the dirtiest campaign in American history. Self awareness is not his strong suit, evidently. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2155 "2016-10-13T23:11:26Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > The best part is that Dobbs’ tweet was complaining that this is the dirtiest campaign in American history. Self awareness is not his strong suit, evidently. Of course Fox won’t fire him. Why would they? After all, we all know that there’s a conservative definition of cyber-bullying that hasn’t received fair and equal treatment in the liberal media and people need to be exposed to all viewpoints. ---
**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2156 "2016-10-13T23:19:15Z")
> [@leftfield6](#): > > 20-30 years ago, if you were a flaming asshole who discriminated against blacks, played fast and loose with other peoples money, and sexually assaulted women who you had power over, then it’s pretty likely you’re still pretty much that guy today. > > Especially when you have spent the last 2 years in the public eye basically giving us that idea anyway. Was anyone really surprised that DJT said those remarks on the bus? Nope. Sounds exactly like something he would say. So, yeah, he’s a flaming pile of shit today, and now we have evidence that he was a flaming pile of shit before. > > I’m going out on a limb here and say I fully expect \*\* \*\*to continue being a flaming pile of shit. > [@LSLGuy](#): > > Bolded brackets mine. > > I think you forgot a word right there. Kinda awkward. 🙂 > > Otherwise I heartily endorse your post. HA. That’s so me, right? I would blame posting from my phone, but no, not the case. I kill me. Yeah, insert the word “HIM” into that sentence wherever it seems to be best fit, because obviously I’m just whacking at random keys here, and can’t be trusted to put it in the right spot. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2157 "2016-10-13T23:23:12Z")
Falwell Jr now claims Donald has email evidence that shows they’re all lying. > **[Jerry Falwell Jr.: Trump has email evidence proving accusers are lying | CNN...](https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/13/politics/jerry-falwell-jr-donald-trump-accusers/)** > > Liberty University President Jerry Falwell Jr., head of the world's largest evangelical campus, said Donald Trump told him he has email evidence proving women making accusations of touching them inappropriately and without consent are lying. So basically in other words, the Trump dystopian army is going full-throttle after the accuses. Mother fucking hell – between this, Trump, and Dobbs, do people not realize that this is what happens in places like remote parts of Pakistan and Afghanistan?! “Prove you got raped, bitch! Or we’ll make your life hell!” I want to believe that this will sink Trump but he’s like a bad, bad case of MRSA. He just lingers around. I worry that people are going to think of sexual assault from a political or authority figure as a perverse new normal. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2158 "2016-10-13T23:26:48Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > The best part is that Dobbs’ tweet was complaining that this is the dirtiest campaign in American history. Self awareness is not his strong suit, evidently. Why does he just not throw a brick through her window himself, personally? He has just enabled others to do it. Gutless little worm. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2159 "2016-10-13T23:29:19Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > So basically in other words, the Trump dystopian army is going full-throttle after the accuses. Mother fucking hell – between this, Trump, and Dobbs, do people not realize that this is what happens in places like remote parts of Pakistan and Afghanistan?! “Prove you got raped, bitch! Or we’ll make your life hell!” Yes, of course they realize this. Because THIS is their vision of a “Great” America. No shit. They want the power back. They are sad little men, who feel that they have been left behind, and would love to be members of the New American Taliban. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2160 "2016-10-14T00:19:36Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Goodness, but that 538 map is becoming more and more beautiful by the moment… Good lord, I can’t get too excited this early… Yes, you cannot. Not to hijack the thread with numbers, but I saw some stuff that was a bit troubling. I was looking at [electoral-vote.com](http://electoral-vote.com), and the percentages were looking overall lower than one would expect. This is an unusual election cycle. I d/led the data and compared the discrepancies (unreported preferences, AFAICT) with the polled margins and came up with 311 EVs below the fair certainty margin. For example, Ms. Clinton leads in Oregon by 13 percentage points, but the poll is 27% blank, leaving a total raw uncertainty of 14 percentage points. Mr. Trump leads in Texas by 6, but the unreported fraction is 12%, leaving an uncertainty of 6 points. When I added up everything below the traditional 3-pt MoE most polls claim (above -3 uncertainty), I was left with only 175 solid EVs to Ms. Clinton. She obviously cannot win with that, but he is three times further short of the tape, at 52. Of course, that is just one set of numbers, without any sensible adjustments. Of course, this is not a sensible election. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2161 "2016-10-14T00:32:48Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Falwell Jr now claims Donald has email evidence that shows they’re all lying. > > [http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/13/politics/jerry-falwell-jr-donald-trump-accusers/](http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/13/politics/jerry-falwell-jr-donald-trump-accusers/) > > So basically in other words, the Trump dystopian army is going full-throttle after the accuses. Mother fucking hell – between this, Trump, and Dobbs, do people not realize that this is what happens in places like remote parts of Pakistan and Afghanistan?! “Prove you got raped, bitch! Or we’ll make your life hell!” > > I want to believe that this will sink Trump but he’s like a bad, bad case of MRSA. He just lingers around. I worry that people are going to think of sexual assault from a political or authority figure as a perverse new normal. That story was posted almost two hours ago, and Falwell made a reference to Trump making a statement in “a few minutes”. I’m sorry to say that I missed this crushing counterattack. Anyone else catch it? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2162 "2016-10-14T00:40:50Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > I knew Lou Dobbs was very conservative, but now we also know what a bastard he is. Any chance Twitter will give him the boot? They came out strongly against cyberbullying ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2163 "2016-10-14T00:46:32Z")
For me to feel safe, he’d have to be doing horrible in the North, where I have more uncertainty over the turnout from angry white voters. In my 270 I gave Trump Florida and Ohio and all the wavering states except Nevada, and trump _still_ has to win one of PA, MI, and WI, and that is possible if the “likely voter” metrics are wrong for those states. ETA: I also didn’t give him Colorado (will voters really vote for him when they have no idea what he’d do with legal weed?) and NH (while there are probably plenty of angry voters there, I don’t think they are angrier _than usual_.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=107) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=109)