# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 109
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2164 "2016-10-14T00:54:57Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > It feels to me like the entire political class, the highbrow press, the tv media and just about every form of media has lain in wait for exactly the right moment, and now in the middle of the debates and with 4 weeks of the election they’re opening up from every angle. > … > [@Kimstu](#): > > General query: At what point are conservatives finally going to start admitting that **they** are part of the “political class”, the “highbrow press”, the “tv media”, and all the other “forms of media” as well? > > We’ve got Fox News, we’ve got conservative talk radio, we’ve got Breitbart, we’ve got the Tea Party, we’ve got the corridors of power chock-full of influential conservatives, many of whom still support Trump. > > But when a conservative politician steps on his own dick and starts garnering a bunch of well-earned contempt and criticism, many conservatives still try to play that tired old card about being the unsophisticated down-home underdogs who are getting ganged up on by the Machiavellian “insider” elites. > > You’re not fooling anybody anymore, folks. > … I agree with **Kimstu** ’s post. But **up\_the\_junction** said something more than she(?) noticed, and more than the many other folks who commented on \*\*up\_the\_junction \*\*noticed either. And that’s that \*\*up\_the\_junction \*\* considers the “…entire political class, the highbrow press, the tv media and just about every form of media …” to essentially be illegitimate. Whatever he(?) considers politics to properly consist of, those groups and organizations aren’t part of it. I can’t say for sure that he personally really thinks this versus just making an observation. But certainly there are plenty of Trumpees who do believe as he suggests. Any game can only be played when all the participants agree on most of the rules. When that breaks down anarchy follows. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2165 "2016-10-14T01:00:29Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Falwell Jr now claims Donald has email evidence that shows they’re all lying. > > [http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/13/politics/jerry-falwell-jr-donald-trump-accusers/](http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/13/politics/jerry-falwell-jr-donald-trump-accusers/) > > So basically in other words, the Trump dystopian army is going full-throttle after the accuses. Mother fucking hell – between this, Trump, and Dobbs, do people not realize that this is what happens in places like remote parts of Pakistan and Afghanistan?! “Prove you got raped, bitch! Or we’ll make your life hell!” > > I want to believe that this will sink Trump but he’s like a bad, bad case of MRSA. He just lingers around. I worry that people are going to think of sexual assault from a political or authority figure as a perverse new normal. Most interesting quote from that article: > [@](#): > > More than 200 Liberty students are protesting Falwell’s support of Trump, saying that the Republican presidential nominee “is actively promoting the very things that we as Christians ought to oppose.” which shows that there are actually over 200 Christians in Liberty University. Out of how many students? ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2166 "2016-10-14T01:21:25Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > which shows that there are actually over 200 Christians in Liberty University. Out of how many students? Looks like their total enrollment is about 80K. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2167 "2016-10-14T01:22:53Z")
Wiki sez 15,000 students in residence and 100,000 online for this academic year. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2168 "2016-10-14T02:55:06Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > That story was posted almost two hours ago, and Falwell made a reference to Trump making a statement in “a few minutes”. I’m sorry to say that I missed this crushing counterattack. Anyone else catch it? [Trump responds to assault accusations.](http://www.npr.org/2016/10/13/497857068/transcript-donald-trumps-speech-responding-to-assault-accusations) Transcript of his speech today in Florida. Hilary is evil. My accusers are ugly, fat liars. Minorities are crime-riddled, poor chumps that need to come to Jesus. Also some of them are terrorists-- they may be pouring in from the south. Vote for me or we all die in an America full of death and ugly, fat chicks. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2169 "2016-10-14T03:17:09Z")
[During today’s Two Minutes Hate,](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-conspiratorial-picture-florida) Loser Donald stopped just short of claiming the Jews are conspiring against him to destroy America. > [@](#): > > “It is a global power structure that is responsible for the economic decisions that have robbed our working class, stripped our country of its wealth and put the money in the pockets of a handful of large corporations and political entities. Just look at what the corrupt establishment has done to our cities like Detroit, Flint, Michigan and rural towns in Pennsylvania, Ohio, North Carolina, and all cross our country. Take a look at what is going on. They’ve stripped away the towns bare and raided the wealth for themselves and taken our jobs away, out of our country, never to return unless I’m elected president,” he said. > > “The Clinton machine is at the center of this power structure,” Trump continued. “We have seen this in the WikiLeaks documents in which Hillary Clinton meets in secret with international banks to plot the destruction of U.S. sovereignty in order to enrich these global financial powers, her special interest friends, and her donors." Trump is starting to realize America isn’t seeing him as being as smart and wonderful as he believes he is. But as a narcissist, he can’t admit it’s because of something he did - it must be _them_ - you know, the “international bankers”.They’re all out to get him because he’s the only person in the world who can stop them. Ivanka must be considering putting him in a home at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2170 "2016-10-14T03:33:29Z")
Eh, wait until about 3am. Then he’ll tweet about how, when he’s elected President, he’ll do something about the Jewish bankers. And all his allies will insist that he didn’t mean what he said, that he isn’t anti-semitic and has nothing against the Jews. While his White Nationalist allies hoot and holler about Trump showing his support. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2171 "2016-10-14T03:36:07Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Ivanka must be considering putting him in a home at this point. [Yeah, and they call it the White House.](http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/ivanka-trump-hits-trail-ignores-groping-allegations-n665976?cid=sm_fb) ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2172 "2016-10-14T03:41:51Z")
Any thoughts on Judicial Watch? It seems like a flimsy case but what’s the timeline? ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2173 "2016-10-14T04:00:21Z")
Scottie Neil Hughes just tried to say that the women who accused Bill Clinton weren’t really covered by the media back when it happened, because she doesn’t remember the 24 hour news cycle covering it like Trump’s accusers are being covered. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2174 "2016-10-14T04:07:31Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > [Trump responds to assault accusations.](http://www.npr.org/2016/10/13/497857068/transcript-donald-trumps-speech-responding-to-assault-accusations) Transcript of his speech today in Florida. Hilary is evil. My accusers are ugly, fat liars. Minorities are crime-riddled, poor chumps that need to come to Jesus. Also some of them are terrorists-- they may be pouring in from the south. > > Vote for me or we all die in an America full of death and ugly, fat chicks. I participate lightly in another political message board which leans slightly to the right. You cannot believe the garbage that is coming out of the Trumpists nowadays. All of the above is believed unquestioningly by them. And they are all convinced that the “MSM” is in cahoots with Hillary, but WikiLeaks will come to the rescue. They believe this absolutely, not the slightest doubt about it. Truly, it is a cult. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2175 "2016-10-14T04:16:34Z")
> [@suranyi](#): > > I participate lightly in another political message board which leans slightly to the right. You cannot believe the garbage that is coming out of the Trumpists nowadays. All of the above is believed unquestioningly by them. > > And they are all convinced that the “MSM” is in cahoots with Hillary, but WikiLeaks will come to the rescue. They believe this absolutely, not the slightest doubt about it. Truly, it is a cult. [It’s a big enough cult that Obama has responded to claims he’s a literal demon in human form who smells like sulfur.](https://twitter.com/colinjones/status/785980116530638848/video/1) ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2176 "2016-10-14T04:23:00Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Eh, wait until about 3am. Then he’ll tweet about how, when he’s elected President, he’ll do something about the Jewish bankers. > > And all his allies will insist that he didn’t mean what he said, that he isn’t anti-semitic and has nothing against the Jews. While his White Nationalist allies hoot and holler about Trump showing his support. What, the Illuminati haven’t been mentioned yet? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2177 "2016-10-14T04:25:01Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > [During today’s Two Minutes Hate,](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-conspiratorial-picture-florida) Loser Donald stopped just short of claiming the Jews are conspiring against him to destroy America… He’s gotta save his best material for the last debate. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2178 "2016-10-14T04:25:30Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Well, Trump saying that he couldn’t have assaulted the People Magazine writer because she’s not hot enough should do wonders to increase his woman voter share. He’s a genius that way, ain’t he? > [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Add me to the side who thinks Clinton bowing out of the third debate would be a mistake. Likewise. She agreed to three debates; she should take part in three debates. No way should she give Trump the chance to say she’s afraid of him or can’t be trusted to keep her promises (not that he won’t say worse about her anyway, but she shouldn’t needlessly give him ammo). > [@RickJay](#): > > That letter was sent by email and I could still hear the mic hit the floor. Woohoo! One of the best lawyer letters I’ve ever read. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2179 "2016-10-14T04:35:30Z")
> [@suranyi](#): > > I participate lightly in another political message board which leans slightly to the right. You cannot believe the garbage that is coming out of the Trumpists nowadays. All of the above is believed unquestioningly by them. > > And they are all convinced that the “MSM” is in cahoots with Hillary, but WikiLeaks will come to the rescue. They believe this absolutely, not the slightest doubt about it. Truly, it is a cult. LOL, I keep an eye on (but don’t participate in) a hard core alt-right political message board that leans heavily to the woo-woo. I can completely believe the garbage that is coming out of the Trumpists nowadays. Just today, Wikileaks is supposed to have dumped an email from someone to John Podesta referencing the “wetworks” the author is about to engage in to murder Antonin Scalia. Also that a leaked email reveals and “proves” that the Clinton campaign plotted back in 2012 (_was_ there a Clinton campaign in 2012 against Trump?) to threaten Chief Justice John Roberts to uphold Obamacare… or else. Also that James Comey mentioned his family numerous times during his public statement about his decision to not prosecute Hillary Clinton over her private email server, and that such mentions meant he “gave clues” that the lives of his family members were in peril if he prosecuted her. Also that Donald Trump will be “allowed” into the White House so he can be blamed for the massive “economic crisis” that is to follow. I can’t even keep them all straight. And they really do believe this insane crap. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2180 "2016-10-14T05:20:10Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > [It’s a big enough cult that Obama has responded to claims he’s a literal demon in human form who smells like sulfur.](https://twitter.com/colinjones/status/785980116530638848/video/1) Well, that’s Alex Jones. There is obviously overlap, but he and his listeners are in a class by themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2181 "2016-10-14T05:20:22Z")
I think he’s really descending into paranoia (at best). From today: > [@](#): > > Hillary Clinton meets in secret with international banks to plot the destruction of U.S. sovereignty in order to enrich these global financial powers, her special interest friends and her donors… \ > > For them it’s a war, and for them nothing at all is out of bounds. This is a struggle for the survival of our nation, believe me. And this will be our last chance to save it on Nov. 8, remember that. > > This election will determine whether we are a free nation or whether we have only the illusion of democracy, but are in fact controlled by a small handful of global special interests rigging the system, and our system is rigged. [NPR Transcript, October 13, Florida](http://www.npr.org/2016/10/13/497857068/transcript-donald-trumps-speech-responding-to-assault-accusations) And, yes, the sub-text that the Jews are somehow involved in all of his woes is not all that hidden. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2182 "2016-10-14T05:21:02Z")
You gotta love it: [QUOTE=Wanda Sykes] “I have never, in my life, watched a presidential debate and had the thought cross my mind, ‘Is he about to take out his dick?’'” [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2183 "2016-10-14T05:47:53Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > > [@asahi](#): > > > > Falwell Jr now claims Donald has email evidence that shows they’re all lying. > > > > [http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/13/politics/jerry-falwell-jr-donald-trump-accusers/](http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/13/politics/jerry-falwell-jr-donald-trump-accusers/) > > > > So basically in other words, the Trump dystopian army is going full-throttle after the accuses. Mother fucking hell – between this, Trump, and Dobbs, do people not realize that this is what happens in places like remote parts of Pakistan and Afghanistan?! “Prove you got raped, bitch! Or we’ll make your life hell!” > > > > I want to believe that this will sink Trump but he’s like a bad, bad case of MRSA. He just lingers around. I worry that people are going to think of sexual assault from a political or authority figure as a perverse new normal. > > That story was posted almost two hours ago, and Falwell made a reference to Trump making a statement in “a few minutes”. I’m sorry to say that I missed this crushing counterattack. Anyone else catch it? This came up on the Lawrence O’Donnell show, and one of the panelists suggested that Trump is keeping the “evidence” in the same file as his plans for defeating ISIS. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=108) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=110)