# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/201 "2016-10-04T12:16:39Z")
> [@Catamount](#): > > Over the last week I’ve grown more and more convinced that the Nineteenth Amendment is going to save this country. I misread this and thought you were referring to the 21st Amendment: > **[Twenty-first Amendment to the United States Constitution](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-first_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution)** > > The Twenty-first Amendment (Amendment XXI) to the United States Constitution repealed the Eighteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which had mandated nationwide prohibition on alcohol. The Twenty-first Amendment was proposed by the 72nd Congress on February 20, 1933, and was ratified by the requisite number of states on December 5, 1933. It is unique among the 27 amendments of the U.S. Constitution for being the only one to repeal a prior amendment, as well as being the only ame... ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/202 "2016-10-04T12:23:45Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > Man, I would love to see Kellyanne Conway’s face when he goes off like that. You know what Conway does first thing every morning? Picks up her phone, says “Please, God, please!”, then opens #RealDonaldTrump to see what her day will be like. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BlueOhio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/439d5e/32.png) [@BlueOhio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlueOhio)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/203 "2016-10-04T12:28:16Z")
If the Russians really are trying to get a Trump win, that’s who Assange should be fearing - they are expert at assassinations, and it would be easy to blame on the Clinton camp because it has been accused of so many murders in the past. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/204 "2016-10-04T12:45:25Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Florida is blue in the [nowcast](http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo#now)… that’s not Florida usual color, is it? Florida goes both ways. It went blue the last two, red the one before that, then red in 2000 but I trust you remember that debacle—it was essentially a tie, then blue before that. So for the last twenty years, overall it tended to vote D more than R. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/205 "2016-10-04T12:46:23Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Clinton’s got the support of all the powers that be, no question, from Wall Street to the media to the ivory towers to the permanent shadow government itself. > > All Trump has is ordinary people. That’s amazing - I didn’t even see Breitbart’s cold, dead lips move. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/206 "2016-10-04T12:47:15Z")
> [@Anny\_Middon](#): > > I read that article this morning and was troubled by it. > > I know Trump has gone off-script many times, but I’ve always had the impression he was – well, I was going to say “coherent,” but he’s often not coherent. Maybe it’s that I thought he would usually complete a thought when he went off-script. This article makes it seem like he didn’t do that at all in this rally. > > I’m holding to my theory that he’s sundowning, but it is of course possible that he’s lost his grip on reality. In either case, what’s troubling is that his followers can see this behavior and not view it as a real problem for POTUS. Or do they just convince himself that he won’t go off his rocker as president? This isn’t the first time that he’s been that incoherent and unable to stay on message. There was a notable sit-down interview a year ago with the Washington Post editorial board where he behaved similarly. He couldn’t even give a short and snappy response to the question: “When did you decide to run for President?”, about the softest of softballs imaginable. (Personally, I think that meeting was when the Post started to really wonder about him as a candidate. I can imagine them sitting down again after The Donald left the room, looking at each other and saying: “WTF?”, followed quickly by “We can’t let him be President!”) Getting back to your point, there has been speculation floating around about Alzheimers. His dad had Alzheimer’s, and there is some indication that there can be a hereditary compliment to Alzheimers. More simply, though, the guy is 70. I’ve sat on coffee row with guys in their seventies and that’s how a lot of them talk. A rambling discourse isn’t unusual, even if they are making points. (With complete side-tracks like: “Hollywood doesn’t make good movies anymore” not being that unusual, nor comments about how good their 10 year old grandson is with computers.) But those 70+ guys on coffee row don’t ever run for President of the United States. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/207 "2016-10-04T12:58:13Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > He couldn’t even give a short and snappy response to the question: “When did you decide to run for President?”, about the softest of softballs imaginable. Heck, you don’t need to be a political operative to know that one is coming. Watching West Wing on Netflix will show you that you need to have a coherent answer. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/208 "2016-10-04T13:00:17Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Clinton’s got the support of all the powers that be, no question, from Wall Street to the media to the ivory towers to the permanent shadow government itself. > > All Trump has is ordinary people. Oh, I wouldn’t call them ordinary… Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/209 "2016-10-04T13:08:00Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > It’s interesting how, for the last 60 days, negative coverage worked to Trump’s advantage. Any attention is good attention sort of thing. Now, endgame of the election cycle, the negative press is coming at him from 360 degrees. **I’ve never seen media sources call any candidate a liar before.** Maybe they’re starting to do real research on The Donald and came across this gem from the Vanity Fair article in 1990 by Marie Brenner, detailing Trump’s break-up with Ivana, hook-up with Marla, and epic near-death of his real estate empire. It ends with Brenner in the media room at the New York courthouse, where Trump is getting away with it again in court: > [@Vanity Fair](#): > > I wandered down to the press room on the fifth floor to hear about Trump’s testimony. The reporters sounded weary; they had heard it all before. “Goddamn it!” one shouted at me, “We created him! We bought his bullshit! He was always a phoney, and we filled our papers with him!” The entire article is well worth the read, by the way. It shows that The Donald has always been what he’s shown himself to be in this campaign. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/210 "2016-10-04T13:14:39Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Clinton’s got the support of all the powers that be, no question, from Wall Street to the media to the ivory towers to the permanent shadow government itself. > > All Trump has is ordinary people. And the Republican Party, and all the millionaires in Congress, and several entire news networks devoted to destroying democrats, and the Kremlin, and Clint Eastwood. You know. Just a bunch of regular joes. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/211 "2016-10-04T13:16:04Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Florida is blue in the [nowcast](http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo#now) Currently, it’s Blue in the Now, Polls Only, AND Polls Plus. [ul] [li]Florida Now Cast: 66.7% Clinton[/li][li]Florida Polls Only: 60.8% Clinton[/li][li]Florida Polls Plus: 55.4% Clinton[/li][/ul] North Carolina is Blue in the Now and in the Polls Only but not the Polls Plus. [ul] [li]North Carolina Now Cast: 60.0% Clinton[/li][li]North Carolina Polls Only: 54.7% Clinton[/li][li]North Carolina Polls Plus: 47.8% Clinton[/li][/ul] North Carolina is looking more likely Blue than Ohio is. Months ago, Ohio was looking like it’d be pretty safely Blue while North Carolina was just first creeping into 50/50 territory. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/212 "2016-10-04T13:18:44Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > Heck, you don’t need to be a political operative to know that one is coming. Watching West Wing on Netflix will show you that you need to have a coherent answer. But, you’d also need an answer to the question of when you decided to kick your opponent’s ass too. Probably because of their opinion on crime. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/213 "2016-10-04T13:43:39Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > Months ago, Ohio was looking like it’d be pretty safely Blue while North Carolina was just first creeping into 50/50 territory. Apparently, as closely as 2 months ago. Ohio was 79% Clinton polls-only on August 14. What’s with Ohio’s high volatility? I’m looking at Silver’s adjusted averages and they reflect a state that polls anywhere from +6 Trump to +8 Clinton in the last two months. That’s just nutty looking. ETA: Actually, looking at other close states like Florida, it doesn’t seem that’s all that weird. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/214 "2016-10-04T14:00:39Z")
> [@Catamount](#): > > Over the last week I’ve grown more and more convinced that the Nineteenth Amendment is going to save this country. [Dating myself](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T99V6s25J94). ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/215 "2016-10-04T14:16:51Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Apparently, as closely as 2 months ago. Ohio was 79% Clinton polls-only on August 14. What’s with Ohio’s high volatility? I’m looking at Silver’s adjusted averages and they reflect a state that polls anywhere from +6 Trump to +8 Clinton in the last two months. That’s just nutty looking. ETA: Actually, looking at other close states like Florida, it doesn’t seem that’s all that weird. If a race were perfectly tied and perfectly stable, you’d expect a range of polls from +8 to -8 (or more), just based on sampling error and methodological differences. So the poll range you report doesn’t mean anything. The aggregation of those polls is a better measure of the volatility of the state, and they’ve been relatively stable, especially if you ignore the convention bounces. If you look at the polls-plus forecast, which tries to factor out the convention bounces, the race in Ohio looks quite stable indeed. ---
**Author:** ![skdo23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@skdo23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skdo23)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/216 "2016-10-04T15:16:56Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I’m guessing it’s more like this: > > Ecuador, which is housing Assange, has probably been told in no uncertain terms that ‘if you release more potentially election-altering dirt from Russia, you’d better goddamned well hope that Trump wins.’ At which point, I’m guessing someone from within the Ecuadorean embassy probably tapped Julian on the shoulder and said “I think it’s your bedtime.” According to [this article](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/10/04/trump-backers-feel-played-as-wikileaks-fails-to-come-through-on-october-surprise/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_wikileaks-750a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory) he was trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Catamount](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/catamount/32/2840_2.png) [@Catamount](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catamount)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/217 "2016-10-04T15:21:18Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > I misread this and thought you were referring to the 21st Amendment: > > [Twenty-first Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-first_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution) If the 19th doesn’t save us we may need the 21st. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/218 "2016-10-04T15:25:58Z")
> [@skdo23](#): > > According to [this article](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/10/04/trump-backers-feel-played-as-wikileaks-fails-to-come-through-on-october-surprise/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_wikileaks-750a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory) he was trolling. When even Alex Jones says you were trolled (And Trump \*\*listens \*\*to that professional conspiracy troll) you need to throw in the towel. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/219 "2016-10-04T15:31:39Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Clinton’s got the support of all the powers that be, no question, from Wall Street to the media to the ivory towers to the permanent shadow government itself. > > All Trump has is ordinary people. LOL. Seriously, good job, but not buying. Have any idea how many _independents_ are setting up voluntary car drives to GOTV for HRC? Know how many “Trump=Antichrist” discussions I get on the phone with old ladies? There is an enthusiasm gap, Adaher, no doubt about it, but here in south Central Texas, home to 8 million people, the gap is on the Republican side. > **[Republican Party of Bexar County](https://bexargop.org/)** > > The Republican Party of Bexar County (Bexar GOP) mission is to elect Republican candidates and promote legislative priorities. Where are the debate watch parties? Where are the GOTV activities? Where is the excitement in this website for the chance to win the Presidency for the GOP? Hell, they’re still advertising an event that occurred _two months agp_, that’s how dispirited the GOP is. The number one thing on their calendar? A BBQ! And these are the people responsible for car drives, bus drives, picking up old people in highly Republican districts and GOT-ficking-V. And they ain’t doing it. (Also, as an added fact, the Trump Campaign’s main digital strategy company is based here in San Antonio. Strict non-disclosures on these people, and they still can’t be bothered to help the LOCAL GOP website with a 20-hour “refreshing”.) > **[Bexar Democrats - upholstery cleaning service Maryland](http://www.bexardemocrats.org/)** > > \[et\_pb\_section fb\_built=”1″ admin\_label=”Header” \_builder\_version=”4.16″ background\_image=”http://www.bexardemocrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/notary-07.jpg” parallax=”on” custom\_margin=”|||” custom\_padding=”12vw|0px|0|0px|false|false”... For comparison. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/220 "2016-10-04T15:32:17Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > More simply, though, the guy is 70. I’ve sat on coffee row with guys in their seventies and that’s how a lot of them talk. A rambling discourse isn’t unusual, even if they are making points. (With complete side-tracks like: “Hollywood doesn’t make good movies anymore” not being that unusual, nor comments about how good their 10 year old grandson is with computers.) My 78yo uncle talks like that when it’s about feminism, women, women’s employment… why yes, he still hasn’t gotten over my aunt filing for separation, why do you ask? But get him to go on about something which happened over 12 years ago (that’s when she filed) and he can still produce sentences that aren’t painful to parse, and amusing stories with just the right amount of detail. Trump is like the bad version of my uncle, all the time. He just has different degrees of it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=12)