# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 110
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2184 "2016-10-14T05:54:24Z")
I have met with the powers that be, and we’ve learned from our mistakes and have come to a decision: the 2020 nominee will be Vince McMahon. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2185 "2016-10-14T06:06:30Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I have met with the powers that be, and we’ve learned from our mistakes and have come to a decision: the 2020 nominee will be Vince McMahon. No no Vince will be the VP, the Pres nominee will of course be… (drum roll) Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho for president 2020! ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2186 "2016-10-14T06:11:54Z")
I just realized that the next debate is in Ne-VAH-duh/Ne-VAAA-duh. Do you suppose Trump will spend the first 20 minutes telling everyone how to pronounce the name? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2187 "2016-10-14T07:19:40Z")
Religious leaders [are outraged at a recent bit of wikileakage](http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/13/politics/religious-leaders-hillary-clinton-campaign-wikileaks/index.html): > [@](#): > > Dozens of religious leaders who signed the statement expressed their “outrage at the demeaning and troubling rhetoric used by those within Secretary Clinton’s campaign.” > > In the email, (John) Halpin wrote that 21st Century Fox Chairman Rupert Murdoch and NewsCorp Chairman Robert Thomson, who are both Catholic, are attracted to the faith because of “systemic thought and severely backward gender relations.” > > The religious leaders said in the statement, "Podesta’s refusal to raise any objection makes him equally party to this bigotry. It is inexcusable. It is shameful. It is un-American… > > “The WikiLeaks emails reveal a contempt for all traditional Christians, and we are – Catholic and Evangelical – united in our outrage and united in our call for Mrs. Clinton to immediately apologize for the Christophobic behavior of her associates.” They want her to apologize for private comments made by people who are not even employed by her campaign. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2188 "2016-10-14T07:43:55Z")
Plus Palmeiri has stated she doesn’t recognise it as something she wrote. There’s absolutely no reason to believe its genuine and even if it is, so what? That there are some people on the left with cynical views of religion is no secret. There’s not even a hint that Clinton shares this opinion. > **[Palmieri doesn't recognize controversial email about Catholics | CNN Politics](https://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/13/politics/hillary-clinton-email-hack-catholic/)** > > Hillary Clinton's communications director Jennifer Palmieri dismissed backlash around an off-color email she sent about Catholic Republicans in 2011, noting that she is Catholic and that she doesn't "recognize that email." ---
**Author:** ![Junior\_Spaceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Junior\_Spaceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Junior_Spaceman)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2189 "2016-10-14T08:12:13Z")
I’m relieved that the religious now have something to be outraged by. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2190 "2016-10-14T08:34:04Z")
> [@Junior\_Spaceman](#): > > I’m relieved that the religious now have something to be outraged by. Don’t tell them that Donald John Trump in the original German is Donald Johann Drumpf. Six letters per word–666. Wake up, sheeple! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2191 "2016-10-14T10:02:32Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > My suggestion is that she freely cede time to Trump. “No, no, Donald, that’s fine. Please keep telling us how much you respect women. Take all the time you need.” I’m still waiting for a “Please proceed”. > [@RickJay](#): > > That letter was sent by email and I could still hear the mic hit the floor. Also, if you listen closely, you can actually hear the NYT legal staff giggling. > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I just realized that the next debate is in Ne-VAH-duh/Ne-VAAA-duh. Do you suppose Trump will spend the first 20 minutes telling everyone how to pronounce the name? You know _somebody_ is going to mention that - maybe Clinton, maybe the moderator, maybe Trump himself. If Trump were smart and could at least pretend to be self-effacing he’d spike it early but I’m not convinced he can do “self-effacing”. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2192 "2016-10-14T10:08:02Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Also, if you listen closely, you can actually hear the NYT legal staff giggling. Trump keeps saying that the NYT is “failing” and losing money. Is there any actual truth to this or is it another complete Trump denial of reality? ---
**Author:** ![Maastricht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@Maastricht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maastricht)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2193 "2016-10-14T10:09:40Z")
During the last election, Obama made the better use of social media, as a straightforward method of mobilizing his voters. This election is where information bubbles first showed their effect. Especially the effects of selecting info and facts, and multiplying rage. And the effect is chilling. Not sure how this ever becomes right again. Verzonden vanaf mijn iPhone met Tapatalk Pro ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2194 "2016-10-14T10:25:50Z")
I saw Trump describe his campaign as a “journey to heaven” earlier. Maybe he’s going to pass out the Kool Aid soon. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2195 "2016-10-14T10:29:09Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > I saw Trump describe his campaign as a “journey to heaven” earlier. Maybe he’s going to pass out the Kool Aid soon. I do wonder how Trump’s going to react when he finally realizes he’s become the one thing he hates and despises more than anything else in the world - a **LOSER**. If he’s not already in the midst of a complete mental breakdown, he probably will be on November 9th. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2196 "2016-10-14T10:31:09Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Trump keeps saying that the NYT is “failing” and losing money. Is there any actual truth to this or is it another complete Trump denial of reality? All newspapers are struggling to some extent these days but apparently the NYT is [still in the black](http://fortune.com/2016/02/05/nyt-profit/), although [revenue is declining](http://financials.morningstar.com/ratios/r.html?t=NYT). ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2197 "2016-10-14T10:33:53Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I do wonder how Trump’s going to react when he finally realizes he’s become the one thing he hates and despises more than anything else in the world - a **LOSER**. He’s going to claim that he didn’t really lose, that the election was rigged, and that the media are against him and that’s why they’re all reporting that he didn’t win, which he actually did. Bigly. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2198 "2016-10-14T10:34:18Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > If he’s not already in the midst of a complete mental breakdown, he probably will be on November 9th. This should be the case but I fear that it won’t be. Trump will claim loudly that the election was rigged and simultaneously that he would have won if it wasn’t for the biased media and the “traitorous disloyal” RNC that turned on him. I don’t think he has the capacity to admit it was his fault he failed as something. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2199 "2016-10-14T10:39:33Z")
> [@Maastricht](#): > > During the last election, Obama made the better use of social media, as a straightforward method of mobilizing his voters. > > This election is where information bubbles first showed their effect. Especially the effects of selecting info and facts, and multiplying rage. > > And the effect is chilling. Not sure how this ever becomes right again. > Verzonden vanaf mijn iPhone met Tapatalk Pro The warning signs were already there even in the last election. I can recall several FB ‘friends’ having serious meltdowns after Obama won the race. First of all, they were in genuine disbelief that Obama had actually won, and then the shock turned into genuine outrage. In this election, however, the intensity is many times greater. In the days of conventional media people could talk among themselves and make false claims or arrive at invalid conclusions. They might find a voice or two on talk radio who agrees with them but the amplification effect is limited. With social media, people can share conspiracy theories and there is an endless number of people who will affirm false information and spread these ideas to others. That’s why I have pushed back at those who look at 538 and conclude that this election is like any other – it’s not. Trump could still actually win this race. It’s a long shot and I certainly wouldn’t lay any money out on the table over it, but it’s still possible. All he would really need to accomplish is to chip away at Hillary Clinton’s positive ratings and maintain cohesion among his voting bloc. And I think it’s becoming increasingly clear that his voters do not care what he does or what he says. As I’ve been saying for a while, this race is about white christian nationalism, which trumps (no pun intended) everything else. If Hillary Clinton’s voters do not believe that we are facing a clear and present danger, she will lose. If they believe that she’s almost as bad as Trump (and many do), she will lose. Seems like a crazy thing to say right now in the middle of Trump’s ongoing scandals, but what Donald Trump is selling is rage, and a lot of people are buying. Moreover, this anti-outsider sentiment is a global phenomenon. We’ve seen it in the UK, we’re seeing it in the USA, and next, I predict this will start to become a potent force in European politics. And that’s just as scary as what’s happening here in the US. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2200 "2016-10-14T10:45:08Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I do wonder how Trump’s going to react when he finally realizes he’s become the one thing he hates and despises more than anything else in the world - a **LOSER**. > > If he’s not already in the midst of a complete mental breakdown, he probably will be on November 9th. That’s one reason why he keeps saying that the election’s rigged. He’ll get conservative media to spin that as well and then he can get some validation. I keep wondering how far Trump himself would be willing to go to become president if there was an opportunity to contest the election results. I could see him filing a half-assed lawsuit, getting it tossed out, and then claiming the system’s rigged before bowing out. But I could also see him trying to have a Rutherford B Hayes result. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2201 "2016-10-14T10:52:38Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Moreover, this anti-outsider sentiment is a global phenomenon. We’ve seen it in the UK, we’re seeing it in the USA, and next, I predict this will start to become a potent force in European politics. And that’s just as scary as what’s happening here in the US. It’s already a potent force in European politics - consider the recent [Hungarian quota referendum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_migrant_quota_referendum,_2016) and [Merkel’s recent struggles](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/04/mecklenburg-vorpommern-german-anti-immigrant-party-strong-regional-election-exit-polls-merkel). The nastier wing of the right have been on the rise for years. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2202 "2016-10-14T10:58:35Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Trump will claim loudly that the election was rigged and simultaneously that he would have won if it wasn’t for the biased media and the “traitorous disloyal” RNC that turned on him. It’s weird, right? He endorses GOP Senators, who win their primaries – and who then rescind their endorsements of _him_. He advocated for Mitt Romney four years ago, and then – gets _nothing_ in return, except vilification for how Trump’s “promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University” alongside criticism of “the bullying, the greed, the showing off, the misogyny, the absurd third-grade theatrics.” And so he portrays himself as all on his own: one man alone, against the harsh media figures who’ve signed on for a cozy relationship with the Clinton campaign. It’s tragic, really, that he’s so bad at making deals. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2203 "2016-10-14T10:59:11Z")
Now Melania is [threatening to sue](http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/10/melania-trump-threatens-to-sue-people-for-reporting-she-talked-to-writer-229775) People magazine for something. Apparently printing that Melania had an innocuous encounter with a reporter is “actionable”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=109) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=111)