# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 112
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2224 "2016-10-14T13:40:20Z")
Time to add [Carlos Slim](https://politicalwire.com/2016/10/14/trump-will-link-mexican-billionaire-to-clinton-campaign/) and the Mexicans to the anti-Trump cabal: > [@](#): > > “Donald Trump will broaden his attack against the media to hit globalism and the Clinton Foundation by charging that Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim is part of a biased coalition working in collusion with the Clinton campaign and its supporters to generate news reports of decades-old allegations from several women,” the Wall Street Journal reports. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2225 "2016-10-14T13:45:38Z")
So it’s Slim vs. Putin in the race for the US Presidency! ---
**Author:** ![Maastricht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@Maastricht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maastricht)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2226 "2016-10-14T13:52:41Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > …this anti-outsider sentiment is a global phenomenon. We’ve seen it in the UK, we’re seeing it in the USA, and next, I predict this will start to become a potent force in European politics. And that’s just as scary as what’s happening here in the US. > [@Gyrate](#): > > It’s already a potent force in European politics - consider the recent [Hungarian quota referendum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_migrant_quota_referendum,_2016) and [Merkel’s recent struggles](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/04/mecklenburg-vorpommern-german-anti-immigrant-party-strong-regional-election-exit-polls-merkel). … As I’ve said before, Dutch politics offers a glimp of what politics under a Trumpian politician looks like. We’ve got our own Trump, and his name is Geert Wilders. Same xenophobia, same strong-man-stance, and projecting the same “outsider” image, even if he’s been in politics for ten years. But Geert is politically shrewd, smart and sane. Good with language, too. Anyway, his party, the PVV, is Hollands second largest polical party, and has been for over 8 years. They get 30 % of the vote pretty consistently. And yet, the PVV never seeks to form an actual government, even if they are invited to do so. They seek outside power by standing at the sidelines and snark at mainstream politics. Politics by Twitter, aimed at their own voter audience. If you look at how they vote, it is always in what I think of as a GOP-way, which is not in the financial interest of the generally poorly educated and low-income PVV voters. I have witnessed first hand how PVV won many seats at the local and provincial levels of government. With very few exceptions, the people filling those seats were factually unfit and it showed within months. The worst ones committed [some scandal or actual crime](http://www.welingelichtekringen.nl/politiek/543570/criminele-en-foute-pvv-toppers-de-tussenstand-van-1-februari-2016.html) and were thrown out of the party. Some decent people left the party of their own accord and joined some other political party. > [@Gyrate](#): > > By the way, there’s an [interesting article up on 538](http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-evan-mcmullin-could-win-utah-and-the-presidency/?ex_cid=2016-forecast)on Evan McMullin’s potential path to the White House. Apparently it’s this: > > 1.Win Utah > 2.Deadlock the Electoral College > 3.[del]Profit![/del] Win in the House > > Only a 1-3% chance, but still a chance. The very same possibility is there for Bernie Sanders, with the state of Vermont. That is actually a possibility, [explained in a well written way here](http://embols.com/2016/09/25/how-bernie-sanders-could-become-president-with-only-130000-votes/). ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2227 "2016-10-14T13:57:09Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Sorry, but one … I am an outsider and have always said “nuh VAD uh” … some outsiders pronounce the name in different ways than natives do, but far from all. > > Two, if natives say the proper way to pronounce the name is one way then that _is_ the correct pronunciation. Cairo IL is properly pronounced KEH-ro and saying KAI-ro is wrong even if most outsiders say it that way (and Cairo GA is KAY-ro). Outsiders saying otherwise are not also correct, they are simply mistaken. > > Three, this is part of a long line of odd pronunciations he makes. The speculation is why and why his reaction to being corrected even when it insults those he needs to sell himself to. THIS: “Two, if natives say the proper way to pronounce the name is one way then that _is_ the correct pronunciation” _when referring to THEIR TOWN/STATE._ Not so much that the pronunciation is wrong across the board, but that the people who live there say it a certain way and they get to decide that. IOW there are (at least) two correct ways to pronounce “Cairo,” one referring to Egypt and one Illinois. You don’t correct the people in Illinois for pronouncing it their way. It would be like telling sometime that they’ve been pronouncing their own name wrong, which I’m sure Trump would not hesitate to do. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2228 "2016-10-14T14:08:38Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > 1. Unless a miracle happens and the House decides to end the gridlock by electing McMullin, a backroom deal is struck between the Senate and the House delegations, in which they cannot accept Pence or Kaine as President, but will settle on McMullin. I’m not following this hypothetical. If McMullin has come in third in the electoral votes for President, after Trump and Clinton, then neither Pence or Kaine is eligible to be considered for President by the House of Representatives. The House can only choose the President from the top three candidates who receive electoral votes for President. The hypothetical is that Clinton, Trump and McMullin are the top three. Even if Kaine or Pence have received a few presidential votes from faithless electors, the hypothetical is that McMullin has come in third, so the House can’t consider either Kaine or Pence for President. (Plus, the Senate has no role in the election of the President from the top three candidates. Only the house can vote on the President.) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2229 "2016-10-14T14:12:35Z")
Scottie Nell Hughes just said that the dressing room incident never happened because the chaperones would have kept Trump out. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2230 "2016-10-14T14:15:52Z")
@Northern Piper: I think if the House is deadlocked, the Senate votes for Vice President and since there is no President the Senate’s choice assumes the Presidency. At least, that’s how I remember that episode of Veep. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2231 "2016-10-14T14:18:58Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > I’m not following this hypothetical. > > If McMullin has come in third in the electoral votes for President, after Trump and Clinton, then neither Pence or Kaine is eligible to be considered for President by the House of Representatives. > > The House can only choose the President from the top three candidates who receive electoral votes for President. The hypothetical is that Clinton, Trump and McMullin are the top three. > > Even if Kaine or Pence have received a few presidential votes from faithless electors, the hypothetical is that McMullin has come in third, so the House can’t consider either Kaine or Pence for President. > > (Plus, the Senate has no role in the election of the President from the top three candidates. Only the house can vote on the President.) According to the 538 article: If no one gets a majority of the electoral college, the top 3 presidential candidates go to the incoming House, the top 2 VP candidates go to the incoming Senate. If the House stays deadlocked and none of the 3 candidates gets a majority, then whoever the Senate picked as VP becomes President - that’s what **RickJay** was referring to. ETA: What **CarnalK** said. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2232 "2016-10-14T14:20:13Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > THIS: “Two, if natives say the proper way to pronounce the name is one way then that _is_ the correct pronunciation” _when referring to THEIR TOWN/STATE._ > > Not so much that the pronunciation is wrong across the board, but that the people who live there say it a certain way and they get to decide that. IOW there are (at least) two correct ways to pronounce “Cairo,” one referring to Egypt and one Illinois. You don’t correct the people in Illinois for pronouncing it their way. > > It would be like telling sometime that they’ve been pronouncing their own name wrong, which I’m sure Trump would not hesitate to do. You mean Drumpf. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2233 "2016-10-14T14:20:17Z")
Even though Trump, Ivanka, and at least one contestant have said he did it? ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2234 "2016-10-14T14:22:30Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Scottie Nell Hughes just said that the dressing room incident never happened because the chaperones would have kept Trump out. Well, to be fair, Mr. Trump DOES have quite a vivid imagination. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2235 "2016-10-14T14:24:16Z")
Out of curiosity, how would all of this have played out the other way around? A woman comes forward and says Trump shoved his tongue down her throat without her consent. Another woman comes forward and says Trump was like an octopus, the way he only moved his hands off her breasts to go up her skirt. And so on; and Trump denies all of it, calls them liars, threatens to sue the Times for libel, the whole thing. And _ **then** _ the Billy Bush tape airs… ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2236 "2016-10-14T14:24:37Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Sorry, but one … I am an outsider and have always said “nuh VAD uh” … some outsiders pronounce the name in different ways than natives do, but far from all. > > Two, if natives say the proper way to pronounce the name is one way then that _is_ the correct pronunciation. You have a cite for that claim? That would defy the idea of dialect, for one thing. It also presupposes some person or group of persons who are chartered to decide such things. Can you tell us who these people are? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2237 "2016-10-14T14:25:42Z")
Biffster, that Tapatalk sig really takes some zing out of your one liners. Just sayin’. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2238 "2016-10-14T14:26:22Z")
This morning, Pence said that Trump would release evidence by the end of the day to counter the allegations of sexual misconduct > [@Mike Pence](#): > > Mike Pence on Friday morning promised that the Donald Trump campaign will present evidence by the end of the day to challenge accusations about Trump’s sexual misconduct. > > “Before the day is out there will be more evidence publicly that shows and calls into question these latest allegations,” Pence said on CBS’ “This Morning.” > **[Pence Promises ‘Evidence’ By End Of Day To Debunk Allegations Against Trump](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/pence-trump-evidence-refute-allegations)** > > Mike Pence on Friday morning promised that the Donald Trump campaign will present evidence by the end of the day to challenge accusations about Trump's sexual misconduct. "Before the day is out there… I can hardly wait. I’m sure it will be the best evidence ever. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2239 "2016-10-14T14:27:57Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Biffster, that Tapatalk sig really takes some zing out of your one liners. Just sayin’. Yeah, I’ve gotta figure out how to fix that. 😉 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2240 "2016-10-14T14:29:33Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > This morning, Pence said that Trump would release evidence by the end of the day to counter the allegations of sexual misconduct > > [Pence Promises ‘Evidence’ By End Of Day To Debunk Allegations Against Trump - TPM – Talking Points Memo](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/pence-trump-evidence-refute-allegations) > > I can hardly wait. I’m sure it will be the best evidence ever. He keeps saying that there’s “emails” that will prove it. Um, maybe… maybe… he has an email from one or two people that can be taken as very weak circumstantial evidence (“See, she asked me for a job a year later so I couldn’t have done that!”) but he has emails relating to all of the claims at this point? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2241 "2016-10-14T14:30:10Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > This morning, Pence said that Trump would release evidence by the end of the day to counter the allegations of sexual misconduct > [Pence Promises ‘Evidence’ By End Of Day To Debunk Allegations Against Trump - TPM – Talking Points Memo](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/pence-trump-evidence-refute-allegations) > > I can hardly wait. I’m sure it will be the best evidence ever. Probably something like ‘proof’ that arm rests did not move in older first class seats. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2242 "2016-10-14T14:30:32Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > This morning, Pence said that Trump would release evidence by the end of the day to counter the allegations of sexual misconduct > [Pence Promises ‘Evidence’ By End Of Day To Debunk Allegations Against Trump - TPM – Talking Points Memo](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/pence-trump-evidence-refute-allegations) > > I can hardly wait. I’m sure it will be the best evidence ever. I understand it will be more explosive than the evidence uncovered in Hawaii. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2243 "2016-10-14T14:30:37Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > CW seems to be that while dropping this stuff on a Friday used to be a way to get it ignored, now its the best time to do it, since people spend more time on social media during the weekends. So conceivably we have four more Fridays of escalating oppo-dumps. Going back to this interesting post from **Simplicio**. I wonder if the Clinton campaign has a new revelation queued up for today. I’ll actually be disappointed if we don’t get tape of Trump dropping a racial slur or recounting the details of an assault or something. The “October Surprise” is now more like an October Expectation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=111) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=113)