# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 118
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2344 "2016-10-14T22:36:28Z")
I don’t play overwatch, context? I assume hanzo is bad? ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2345 "2016-10-14T22:43:18Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I don’t play overwatch, context? I assume hanzo is bad? Hanzo is fine, but he’s not a character for all seasons. He’s a sniper, so you usually only need one (or none). Sometimes you get people who only play snipers and so you end up with two of your six characters being snipers, when you’re attacking, which cripples your team. Then if they go on about how they’re only losing because their team is shitty, it rubs salt in the wound. You want to reach through your monitor and throttle them, which is generally how I feel when I see videos of Trump. They may also be trying to say that Hanzo is difficult to master, and most Hanzo mains are shitty players. The [www.trumpisnotateamplayer.com](http://www.trumpisnotateamplayer.com/) website suggests that their main point is that Trump is doing a shitty job but he blames everyone but himself. The website also features some entertaining pictures of Trump as various Overwatch characters. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2346 "2016-10-14T22:45:18Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > He’s speaking in Greensboro, NC. So far, his evidence is “they lied.” > That’s it. Well, he has to wait for the investigators he sent to Hawaii back in 2011 to get back here and get to work. That’s a _long_ plane ride! More likely: the Trump people are trying to coordinate with the WikiLeaks people to come up with a convincing “email” that will list those accusers who’ve come forward so far, and state that each is willing to tell the “fake story” the Clinton people will give them, in exchange for $10,000. The tricky bit with creating a ‘piece of evidence’ of this type is not so much the wording, as it is the question of when you claim it was sent. If you make up a date that would easily be proven impossible–for example if you decide to have John Podesta be the sender, but it turns out he was provably having surgery that day and was unconscious–then you get egg on your face. So all that figuring-out-and-double-checking takes _time_. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2347 "2016-10-14T22:50:54Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > More likely: the Trump people are trying to coordinate with the WikiLeaks people to come up with a convincing “email” that will list those accusers who’ve come forward so far, and state that each is willing to tell the “fake story” the Clinton people will give them, in exchange for $10,000. Do you have any proof whatsoever that Wikileaks has faked evidence in the past? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2348 "2016-10-14T22:55:48Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > it looks pretty cool when it is written in dutch. perhaps your iphone could send its statement in another language? Khmer is pretty: ផ្ញើពីទូរស័ព្ទរបស់ខ្ញុំដោយប្រើ Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2349 "2016-10-14T22:57:24Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Do you have any proof whatsoever that Wikileaks has faked evidence in the past? Actually, it appears that [at least some of the e-mails were faked by the Russians](http://motherboard.vice.com/read/all-signs-point-to-russia-being-behind-the-dnc-hack), with Wikileaks being used as a laundering conduit (possibly innocently at first, but by now they know or reasonably should know that their sources are worthless and should refrain from releasing anything obtained from them): > [@](#): > > The metadata show that the Russian operators apparently edited some documents, and in some cases created new documents after the intruders were already expunged from the DNC network on June 11… > > The metadata in the leaked documents are perhaps most revealing: one dumped document was modified using Russian language settings, by a user named “Феликс Эдмундович,” a code name referring to the founder of the Soviet Secret Police, the Cheka, memorialised in a 15-ton iron statue in front of the old KGB headquarters during Soviet times. The original intruders made other errors: one leaked document included hyperlink error messages in Cyrillic, the result of editing the file on a computer with Russian language settings. After this mistake became public, the intruders removed the Cyrillic information from the metadata in the next dump and carefully used made-up user names from different world regions, thereby confirming they had made a mistake in the first round… :smack: :smack: :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2350 "2016-10-14T23:00:20Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > More likely: the Trump people are trying to coordinate with the WikiLeaks people to come up with a convincing “email” that will list those accusers who’ve come forward so far, and state that each is willing to tell the “fake story” the Clinton people will give them, in exchange for $10,000. > . I would not be at all surprised if this is what they’re trying to produce… especially given the fact that Trump specializes in projection. And it is perfectly possible that the 4 ladies that Trump paraded about before the 2nd debate are all on the Trump payroll in some fashion. I don’t think they’re doing all of this for free at any rate. ---
**Author:** ![Yersenia\_Pestis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e495f1/32.png) [@Yersenia\_Pestis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yersenia_Pestis)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2351 "2016-10-14T23:03:48Z")
The ultimate nail on the trump coffin is video evidence of one his assaults… I really hope there’s one out there. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2352 "2016-10-14T23:14:23Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Do you have any proof whatsoever that Wikileaks has faked evidence in the past? No proof is necessary given that Julian Assange has stated categorically that he will not reveal the sources of the “documents” he releases through WikiLeaks. (He will, however, hint broadly when that suits his purposes, as seen in the article quoted below.) The convenient upshot is that the authenticity of what WikiLeaks releases cannot be verified. > [@](#): > > Julian Assange and his WikiLeaks organization appear to be actively encouraging a conspiracy theory that a Democratic National Committee staffer was murdered for nefarious political purposes, perhaps by Hillary Clinton. > > Seth Rich was killed last month in Washington, D.C., in an early morning shooting that police have speculated was a failed robbery. Because Rich did voter outreach for the DNC and because we live in a ridiculous world, conspiracy theorists have glommed on to a fantastical story that Rich was an FBI informant meeting with purported agents who were actually a hit team sent by Hillary Clinton. There is of course absolutely zero evidence for this and Snopes has issued a comprehensive debunking of the premise itself …The fact that the idea is so absurd, though, has not stopped Assange from suggesting that Rich was murdered for nefarious political purposes either because he was an informant for the FBI or because he may have been a source in last month’s WikiLeaks release of thousands of DNC emails. > > When the interviewer asked Assange if he was implying that Rich was a WikiLeaks source, he said, “We don’t comment on who our sources are.” [WikiLeaks is fanning a conspiracy theory that Hillary murdered a DNC staffer.](http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/08/09/wikileaks_is_fanning_a_conspiracy_theory_that_hillary_murdered_a_dnc_staffer.html) ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2353 "2016-10-14T23:15:33Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Actually, it appears that [at least some of the e-mails were faked by the Russians](http://motherboard.vice.com/read/all-signs-point-to-russia-being-behind-the-dnc-hack), with Wikileaks being used as a laundering conduit (possibly innocently at first, but by now they know or reasonably should know that their sources are worthless and should refrain from releasing anything obtained from them): > > :smack: :smack: :smack: Also in your article: > [@](#): > > Although so far the actual content of the leaked documents appears not to have been tampered with I again ask Sherrerd for the basis of his idle speculation that Trump and Wikileaks might be cooking up a bunch of fake emails togehter. Eta: oh, now I see no proof is necessary. We can all calmly know that anything coming from wikileaks that damages Clinton is fake because Assange is a jerk. Ok ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2354 "2016-10-14T23:25:30Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Do you have any proof whatsoever that Wikileaks has faked evidence in the past? The Russians altered an email from John Podesta to Sidney Blumenthal and [edited a paragraph by Newsweek writer Kurt Eichenwald](http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-sidney-blumenthal-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-benghazi-sputnik-508635) to make it look like Podesta implicated Hillary in the Benghazi case. Pretty clumsy forgery, actually. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2355 "2016-10-14T23:32:55Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > … I again ask Sherrerd for the basis of his idle speculation that Trump and Wikileaks might be cooking up a bunch of fake emails togehter. Eta: oh, now I see no proof is necessary. We can all calmly know that anything coming from wikileaks that damages Clinton is fake because Assange is a jerk. Ok So your position is that it’s reasonable to _assume_ that unsourced material is authentic? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2356 "2016-10-14T23:39:53Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > The Russians altered an email from John Podesta to Sidney Blumenthal and [edited a paragraph by Newsweek writer Kurt Eichenwald](http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-sidney-blumenthal-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-benghazi-sputnik-508635) to make it look like Podesta implicated Hillary in the Benghazi case. Pretty clumsy forgery, actually. Probably because it wasn’t a forgery at all. Some dipshit in a rush to write an article didn’t read the top bit of an email. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/11/the-trump-putin-link-that-wasnt/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/11/the-trump-putin-link-that-wasnt/) > [@Sherrerd](#): > > So your position is that it’s reasonable to _assume_ that unsourced material is authentic? No, it should be regarded with caution. But you know damn well that’s not what you said. The text is right up above. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2357 "2016-10-14T23:40:05Z")
> [@Nonsuch](#): > > I’d give at least even odds that Trump doesn’t concede at all on election night. Clinton will wait and wait and finally end up giving a victory speech around 1 AM EST. Only then will Trump come out (Fox News will cut away from Clinton to him, but most other outlets will do the decent thing and let the first female president-elect have her moment) and tell his supporters he’s the victim of the most massive voter fraud in history, and that they should refuse to acknowledge the election as legitimate. She won’t wait at all – she won’t have any illusion that he will concede. As soon as all the networks call it (presumably once polls close in CA, if not before) then she will make her speech. She’ll want to do it in prime time, or as close as possible, and she’ll want Trump’s meltdown to be as close as possible as well. In fact, I’d bet a good chance Trump would try to give his speech at the same time, since he’s such a buffoonish asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2358 "2016-10-14T23:48:43Z")
[Newspaper endorsements to date:](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspaper_endorsements_in_the_United_States_presidential_election,_2016) Daily papers: Hillary Clinton 115 (19 of these endorsed Romney in 2012, 51 of them did not endorse anyone) No endorsement 11 "Not Donald Trump 9 Gary Johnson 6 Donald Trump \*\* 0\*\* Weekly Papers: Hillary Clinton 33 “Not Donald Trump” 1 Donald Trump **0** Magazines: Hillary Clinton 8 “Not Donald Trump” 4 Donald Trump **0** Totals: Hillary Clinton 156 “Not Donald Trump” 14 Gary Johnson 6 Donald Trump \*\* 0\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2359 "2016-10-14T23:53:24Z")
Didn’t the Murdoch papers endorse him? I coulda sworn the WSJ or NY Post did. ---
**Author:** ![AngelSoft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelsoft/32/440_2.png) [@AngelSoft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngelSoft)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2360 "2016-10-14T23:57:40Z")
My mom, still a die hard Trump supporter/voter, said something today that kinda made me wonder about his base. I commented about how he was going down in the polls and it was looking less and less likely that he’d win. She basically said something to the likes of, well even if she does win she’ll be dead within a month anyway. Is idea something all Trump supporters are trying to ‘comfort’ themselves with? Is there some talk going around the Trump camp about how someone’s bound to take out Hillary if she wins? I found it more than a little disturbing hearing it come from my mother and honestly, I’m almost hoping other people ARE saying this too. Just so I can have the reassurance she’s not completely fucked up. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2361 "2016-10-14T23:59:25Z")
[Well, here is Trump’s "proof](http://www.theatlantic.com/liveblogs/2016/10/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations/503969/)" that he did not assault any women at any time: His campaign has dug up a guy who claims he was on the flight with Trump and Jessica Leeds, and didn’t see a thing wrong. In fact, he claims that “she wanted to marry him.” The dude has no evidence that he was even on the flight - and even got the years wrong. He would have been 18 or 19 at the time, and cannot explain what he was doing on the flight, or why he would have been in 1st class. Oh, and another small matter - he also has claimed that he helped procure underage boys for senior members of Margaret Thatcher’s government during an annual conference for Britain’s Conservative Party. So… The Trump campaign has come up with a nutter who is telling a story with no evidence whatsoever to back it up. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2362 "2016-10-15T00:01:21Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by Sherrerd View Post > > So your position is that it’s reasonable to assume that unsourced material is authentic? > > No, it should be regarded with caution. But you know damn well that’s not what you said. The text is right up above. I advanced a theory. That you took my words as a claim of fact says more about you than it does about me. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2363 "2016-10-15T00:02:35Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > … > So… The Trump campaign has come up with a nutter who is telling a story with no evidence whatsoever to back it up. Trumpish “fact checking” strikes again! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=117) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=119)