# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/221 "2016-10-04T16:44:39Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > …They’re using the “L word” openly instead of just saying, “some disagree with Trump’s opinion that the moon is made of green cheese”… Great line. > [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > …I was a bit worried that after his debate performance that Trump might have learned from his mistakes and realize he needs to prepare for the next one and pay better attention to how he presents himself. But now it is clear that he hasn’t learned a thing, and that its all down hill from here. Here’s hoping. He’s in such denial about his poor first-debate showing that I suspect he’s going to resist any coaching. And if he _does_ accept coaching, I doubt he’s going to be able to make good use of it in the short time remaining. Probably just come across as sullen/sedated. > [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Running up the score gets us more House and Senate seats. :: crosses fingers and toes :: > [@Crotalus](#): > > Ohio just turned pale blue in 538’s [Nowcast](http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo#now). 76 to 24 overall. Trump has been up in Ohio polls in recent weeks, but I think it’s definitely winnable for Hillary, especially with more unflattering Trump stories (taxes, Miss Universe, etc.), a couple more good debates and her strong GOTV effort here. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > General trajectory and past performance. It’s time once again to clear the deck chairs on the sinking ship. All ashore that’s going ashore from the _Trumptanic_! ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/222 "2016-10-04T17:18:30Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Trump has been up in Ohio polls in recent weeks, but I think it’s definitely winnable for Hillary, especially with more unflattering Trump stories (taxes, Miss Universe, etc.), a couple more good debates and her strong GOTV effort here. IMO, the most effective line of attack for Ohio is going to be [Trump’s use of Chinese steel and aluminum](http://www.newsweek.com/how-donald-trump-ditched-us-steel-workers-china-505717) in two of his last three large buildings. American industry - and the workers Trump is playing to - lost out on hundreds of millions of dollars on Trump’s decision. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/223 "2016-10-04T17:33:39Z")
" The Clinton campaign says the number of Hispanic voters in FL requesting vote-by-mail ballots is up 73% compared to '12" [https://twitter.com/JohnT15/status/783308693945352192](https://twitter.com/JohnT15/status/783308693945352192) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/224 "2016-10-04T17:48:28Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > If and when he loses, and the Republicans are through with having to pretend to like him, this is not going to end well for him. I’m already looking forward to the frenzy of GOP finger-pointing that I hope will break out on Nov. 9. > [@wolfpup](#): > > …We also know Trump is smart because he’s told us so many times. _ **Very** _ smart, in fact. The best kind of smart. He would be the smartest president in history, with the best health ever, believe me. Don’t forget his world-class temperament, stamina, and hands! Yuuuuge hands! > [@leftfield6](#): > > So, this morning at 3:20 AM, there was another tweet storm. But this time, it was Hillary, tweeting about national service. The first tweet starts off with “it’s 3:20 AM, seems like the perfect time to tweet about national service.” Excellent trolling of Donald. Love it! > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > …Trump: “Not Abnormal”. At least not for an entrepreneur. High praise indeed. I can just see the bumper stickers now… > [@kambuckta](#): > > FTSOTROTW (For the sake of the rest of the world) please ensure Trump doesn’t get within spitting distance of the White House. We in TROTW fear the global consequences of such an event…we’ve already got one Kim Jong-un in the world, we really don’t need an American version. > > Pretty please? We’re doing our best. > [@JohnT](#): > > “As soon as my guys finish making their edits, er, I mean, as soon as they upload their email bukkake, you can have it!” I laughed. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/225 "2016-10-04T18:12:18Z")
[Donald Trump, Ass-Clown.](https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/10/donald-trump-alicia-machado-hillary-clinton-khizr-khan/) > [@](#): > > The ass, among types of persons, is slow to understanding. Perhaps he’s dull, stubborn, entrenched in his position, or just plain stupid. The clown, by contrast, seeks to entertain an audience with playful pretending or comedic exaggeration, with sharp sensitivity to what others find amusing or delightful or shocking. > > Putting these two types together, there is such a person as an ass-clown . . . As one definition puts it, [the ass-clown] is a person who is “inept or ill-behaved to the point of being found laughable by others” or “who uses his/ her nature as an ass to bring humor to others, but [sic] ends up being the butt of the joke.” The piece talks about the definitions off various types of ass in the political sphere. For example, Newt Gingrich? Asshole. Sarah Palin? Ass-clown. But then the argument is that Trump takes it to a whole new level by combining the two types, and is an asshole/ass-clown, defined thusly: > [@](#): > > The asshole/ass-clown uses his ass-clown powers for asshole purposes. He soils or sours or degrades the party for reasons of his own entitlement (e.g., being entitled to the absolute center of attention, on account of being rich, or beautiful — in case there’s a difference). He stages an entertaining spectacle, dancing on a table with his pants on his head, and then urinates on the carpet when people aren’t paying enough attention to him. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/226 "2016-10-04T19:16:02Z")
Does Wendy McCaw, the owner of the Santa Barbara News-Press have any relationship to Trump? I’m aware of the controversy concerning freedom of the press involving McCaw’s attempts to suppress news reported by her editorial staff, but as far as I can tell, the News-Press is the only newspaper that has endorsed Trump which does not have Trump ties. The others are: The National Enquirer (which isn’t a real newspaper, of course), owned by a Trump buddy The National Observer - owned by Trump’s son-in-law The New York Post - owned by the Murdoch family Are there any others? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/227 "2016-10-04T19:21:30Z")
Would she be related to Craig McCaw, bizarro billionaire, I wonder? Yup! Wonder if she’s one of his few big-time donors? Could check FEC if I gave a damn, just glad I recognized the last name. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/228 "2016-10-04T19:46:07Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Would she be related to Craig McCaw, bizarro billionaire, I wonder? > > Yup! > > Wonder if she’s one of his few big-time donors? Could check FEC if I gave a damn, just glad I recognized the last name. Just want to point out that Craig McCaw and Wendy McCaw were once married; they are not blood kin. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/229 "2016-10-04T20:08:21Z")
Is it just me, or is Joe Biden taking it to a whole 'nother level these days on the campaign trail? [First he lashes out against Trump’s tax dodge bragging last week](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2016/sep/28/joe-biden-donald-trump-federal-taxes-video). Then today he [offers up a fiery response to Trump’s claim that PTSD sufferers aren’t "strong](http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/watch-angry-joe-biden-brutally-blisters-trump-over-veteran-ptsd-insult-where-the-hell-is-he-from/)." IMO, he knocked it out of the park with that speech. That’s a level of emotion that makes people gasp and take notice, and that’s something Hillary lacks on the trail. Hillary should buy him a steak dinner for that one. ---
**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/230 "2016-10-04T21:44:09Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > IMO, he knocked it out of the park with that speech. That’s a level of emotion that makes people gasp and take notice, and that’s something Hillary lacks on the trail. Hillary should buy him a steak dinner for that one. I love Joe. He speaks with a real passion that goes beyond politics. If you know his real life story, you come away thinking that he is genuine, a real person. When he speaks with emotion, like he does about Trump, it’s not politics, it’s because he fears what an ignorant person like Trump could do in a position of power. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/231 "2016-10-04T21:49:44Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > You know… when your’e very little, you see the country’s leaders as almost mythical persons … > > Finally, maturity leads to the realization that, in fact, quite a few of them _are_ your crazy aunt, your alcoholic uncle, and the weird guy down the street who believe in UFOs. Harry Truman said “My first six months in the Senate, I wondered how I got there. After that, I started wondering how \*they \*got there.” ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/232 "2016-10-04T22:24:17Z")
> [@leftfield6](#): > > I love Joe. He speaks with a real passion that goes beyond politics. If you know his real life story, you come away thinking that he is genuine, a real person. When he speaks with emotion, like he does about Trump, it’s not politics, it’s because he fears what an ignorant person like Trump could do in a position of power. He’s about the only Pol I’ve seen shush the audience that wants to applaud every sentence because he wants to finish his point. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/233 "2016-10-04T23:59:08Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > North Carolina is Blue in the Now and in the Polls Only but not the Polls Plus. > [ul] > [li]North Carolina Now Cast: 60.0% Clinton[/li][li]North Carolina Polls Only: 54.7% Clinton[/li][li]North Carolina Polls Plus: 47.8% Clinton[/li][/ul] …and she’s just squeezed through to a lead in the Polls Plus as well: [ul] [li]North Carolina Now Cast: 64.5% Clinton[/li][li]North Carolina Polls Only: 58.7% Clinton[/li][li]North Carolina Polls Plus: 51.1% Clinton[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/234 "2016-10-05T00:04:07Z")
I’d love to know where Gary Johnson’s 0.2 electoral votes are coming from, Nate. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/235 "2016-10-05T00:19:20Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > I’d love to know where Gary Johnson’s 0.2 electoral votes are coming from, Nate. I haven’t read through any analysis, but a few days ago he posted an article suggesting [Johnson has a chance, a _tiny little_ chance of winning his home state of New Mexico](http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-the-craziest-end-to-the-2016-campaign-runs-through-new-mexico/). ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/236 "2016-10-05T00:27:21Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > I’d love to know where Gary Johnson’s 0.2 electoral votes are coming from, Nate. As **bienville** said, the Polls Only forecast has a 1.4% chance that New Mexico goes to neither Trump nor Clinton. Assuming that’s all Johnson, it seems right. They simulate the election 20,000 times - Johnson should win New Mexico at least a few times. You don’t throw results out unless you’ve got a good reason to, so Johnson’s victories are factored into the model results. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/237 "2016-10-05T00:34:45Z")
Fractional EV totals are not a possible outcome. Therefore they cannot be the most probable. Clear? NM has 5 EV’s. Johnson has a small chance at getting 5, but no chance at getting 0.2. Sometimes Silver, and his most ardent admirers, get so lost in the math that they lose sight of when it switches from continuous to discrete. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/238 "2016-10-05T00:59:44Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Fractional EV totals are not a possible outcome. Therefore they cannot be the most probable. Clear? > > NM has 5 EV’s. Johnson has a small chance at getting 5, but no chance at getting 0.2. Sometimes Silver, and his most ardent admirers, get so lost in the math that they lose sight of when it switches from continuous to discrete. You misunderstand the nature of stochastic simulation. Clear? ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/239 "2016-10-05T01:05:19Z")
[An unforced error not by the Trump campaign but the GOP?](https://gop.com/who-won-the-vice-presidential-debate/) It has since been taken down but the internet never forgets. This is just so stupid. Sure, have your spin ready but why would you play your hand like that? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/240 "2016-10-05T01:31:30Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > [An unforced error not by the Trump campaign but the GOP?](https://gop.com/who-won-the-vice-presidential-debate/) > > It has since been taken down but the internet never forgets. This is just so stupid. Sure, have your spin ready but why would you play your hand like that? Well thanks for linking up a 404 error anyways. If the internet never forgets howzabout you link to where it’s remembered. Eta: though I will say their 404 error message is both lame and stupid. “What do Hillary Clinton and this link have in common? They’re both “dead broke.”” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=13)