# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 121
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2404 "2016-10-15T03:34:34Z")
Just musing… What percent of congruence would y’all say exists between the set of Obama haters and the set of Hillary haters? One hundred percent? Or are there some who hate him but not her and vice versa? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2405 "2016-10-15T03:43:38Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Aaah, no. You raising a baseless slanderous theory, even if against a couple of jerks, only says something about you. The fact that I questioned the basis of your comment? I’m not worried about what that says about me. Julian Assange is an unhinged, self-serving, megalomaniac with an admitted desire to derail the Clinton campaign. I don’t see any reason to give him the benefit of the doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2406 "2016-10-15T03:44:20Z")
[Lindsay Lohan has a classy response to Trump and Stern’s comments about her.](http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/lindsay-lohans-response-to-donald-trump-is-more-presidential-than-anything-hes-said-this-election/) [Marlee Matlin’s response to the reports of Trump calling her retarded.](https://twitter.com/MarleeMatlin/status/786997580999696384/photo/1) ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2407 "2016-10-15T03:54:12Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Just musing… > > What percent of congruence would y’all say exists between the set of Obama haters and the set of Hillary haters? > > One hundred percent? Or are there some who hate him but not her and vice versa? I’ve been wondering this too. And I never realized it’s the hate of having a woman in charge. But considering the assholes that support Trump, I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised. WILL women that are married to these goons say, Umm… no, and pull the other lever once in the voting both? They could. This may be a bad thing about mail in ballots. “Hey, lets fill these things out and both vote for Trump”. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2408 "2016-10-15T04:11:58Z")
After Montel Williams criticized Trump for his sexual proclivities, Scottie Nell Williams threatened to smear him with his own sexual secrets if he didn’t back off. But Montel would have none of it. He absolutely destroyed her on Twitter. [http://addictinginfo.org/2016/10/14/trump-supporter-threatens-montel-williams-so-he-publicly-humiliates-her-into-oblivion/](http://addictinginfo.org/2016/10/14/trump-supporter-threatens-montel-williams-so-he-publicly-humiliates-her-into-oblivion/) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2409 "2016-10-15T04:16:54Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > [Trump supporter arrested for plotting to blow up a New Jersey mosque on the day after the election.](http://www.politicususa.com/2016/10/14/men-arrested-plot-car-bomb-mosque-trump-supporter.html) New Jersey? Did you link to the wrong story? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2410 "2016-10-15T04:21:21Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > New Jersey? Did you link to the wrong story? :dubious: Whoops. Kansas. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2411 "2016-10-15T04:21:45Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > I’ve been wondering this too. > > And I never realized it’s the hate of having a woman in charge. But considering the assholes that support Trump, I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised. WILL women that are married to these goons say, Umm… no, and pull the other lever once in the voting both? They could. > > This may be a bad thing about mail in ballots. “Hey, lets fill these things out and both vote for Trump”. Meh. Maybe even more likely the other way round. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2412 "2016-10-15T04:43:03Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > After Montel Williams criticized Trump for his sexual proclivities, Scottie Nell Williams threatened to smear him with his own sexual secrets if he didn’t back off. But Montel would have none of it. He absolutely destroyed her on Twitter. > [http://addictinginfo.org/2016/10/14/trump-supporter-threatens-montel-williams-so-he-publicly-humiliates-her-into-oblivion/](http://addictinginfo.org/2016/10/14/trump-supporter-threatens-montel-williams-so-he-publicly-humiliates-her-into-oblivion/) In that story, Williams claimed he had information that would be very damaging to Trump. He warned Trump’s surrogates to back off, or he would make the information public. Montel, dude, you’ve been vocally criticizing Trump, even calling him a pedophile. If you have such damaging information, what are you waiting for? Release the hounds now while it might do some good! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2413 "2016-10-15T04:50:24Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > In that story, Williams claimed he had information that would be very damaging to Trump. He warned Trump’s surrogates to back off, or he would make the information public. Montel, dude, you’ve been vocally criticizing Trump, even calling him a pedophile. If you have such damaging information, what are you waiting for? Release the hounds now while it might do some good! [Trump walked into a dressing room](https://www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/a-fifth-teen-beauty-queen-says-trump-visited-dressing-room?utm_term=.uhK6Z1gX6e#.ntxvp5M4v9) where contestants for a teenage beauty contest were dressing. Contestants as young as 15. > [@](#): > > A fifth Miss Teen USA pageant contestant came forward Wednesday night to say that like four others who have spoken to BuzzFeed News, she recalled Donald Trump entering the group dressing room while teenagers were changing their clothes during the 1997 pageant. > > “It was certainly the most inappropriate time to meet us all for the first time,” said Victoria Hughes, the former Miss New Mexico Teen USA, in an email. “The youngest girl was 15, and I was the eldest at 19.” ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2414 "2016-10-15T05:04:31Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > [Trump walked into a dressing room](https://www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/a-fifth-teen-beauty-queen-says-trump-visited-dressing-room?utm_term=.uhK6Z1gX6e#.ntxvp5M4v9) where contestants for a teenage beauty contest were dressing. Contestants as young as 15. Yeah, I know. My post wasn’t very clear. I meant, Williams seems to think his info is \*more \*damaging than what’s come out so far. If, after all that’s come out, Williams knows something that can take Trump down yet another peg, I want him to lay it on us. Don’t hide your light under a bushel, man! ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2415 "2016-10-15T05:15:59Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > The Russians altered an email from John Podesta to Sidney Blumenthal and [edited a paragraph by Newsweek writer Kurt Eichenwald](http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-sidney-blumenthal-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-benghazi-sputnik-508635) to make it look like Podesta implicated Hillary in the Benghazi case. Pretty clumsy forgery, actually. Y’know, sometimes I find myself actually nostalgic for the Cold War. > [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > …Nice to see he places himself above abolition, women’s rights, civil rights, etc. Trump’s humility and sense of historic proportionality have always been among his most appealing character traits. > [@Acsenray](#): > > Julian Assange is an unhinged, self-serving, megalomaniac… Who skipped bail after promising a British court he wouldn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Shalmanese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shalmanese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shalmanese)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2416 "2016-10-15T05:55:11Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > [Trump supporter arrested for plotting to blow up a New Jersey mosque on the day after the election.](http://www.politicususa.com/2016/10/14/men-arrested-plot-car-bomb-mosque-trump-supporter.html) Why are people refusing to call this what it is which is radical Caucasian terrorism? Why do white people refuse to utter those words? ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2417 "2016-10-15T06:04:04Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > What percent of congruence would y’all say exists between the set of Obama haters and the set of Hillary haters? > > One hundred percent? Or are there some who hate him but not her and vice versa? Sure, some of them are just racists and not sexists. Oh and Trump’s comment to Stern about taking advantage of a deeply troubled teen (talking about Linsday Lohan when she had just turned 18) is a whole another level of scummy. That takes him from creepy pervy rich older man to straight out “living in a van by the river” sex offender territory. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2418 "2016-10-15T06:04:34Z")
> [@](#): > > Why are people refusing to call this what it is which is radical Caucasian terrorism? Why do white people refuse to utter those words? Ah, Crimea River! ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2419 "2016-10-15T06:45:51Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Can you rewrite the sentence in that link so that I can understand what you’re saying before I click on it? No. Just kidding. It’s a political ad called The Good Ole Days made by Mother Jones that highlights Trump’s racism. ---
**Author:** ![Shalmanese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shalmanese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shalmanese)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2420 "2016-10-15T07:02:53Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Ah, Crimea River! clap clap. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2421 "2016-10-15T11:28:52Z")
Something just occurred to me: I’ve seen several times the fear that someone who wants the same things Trump wants, but smarter, smoother, and more subtle, will come along and grab up his supporters. What I wonder is, how many of them would such a candidate get? I think that for many Trump voters, Trump’s brazenness and forthrightness about his horrible viewpoints is a key draw, so anyone who tries to use lower key dog whistles might come across as too politician-like and phony to them. Sure, this person could make up for it in attracting followers and allies who like the subtlety, but I can’t help wondering if that would be equal to the hardcore support Trump currently gets. Hmmm. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2422 "2016-10-15T12:11:29Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > After Montel Williams criticized Trump for his sexual proclivities, Scottie Nell Williams threatened to smear him with his own sexual secrets if he didn’t back off. But Montel would have none of it. He absolutely destroyed her on Twitter. > [http://addictinginfo.org/2016/10/14/trump-supporter-threatens-montel-williams-so-he-publicly-humiliates-her-into-oblivion/](http://addictinginfo.org/2016/10/14/trump-supporter-threatens-montel-williams-so-he-publicly-humiliates-her-into-oblivion/) It looks like people are beginning to call the Trump goons’ bluffs. This is only going to embolden more to come out, and I’m guessing there’s a 95% chance that there are not just one or two more, but many, many more. The floodgates are about to open, I believe. That’s why if I were the Trump children, I would be looking for a way out of the race pronto. It’s entirely possible that more allegations will come out but you minimize the risk of lawsuits by leaving and lowering the profile. The danger to the Trump exchequer is that, in all likelihood, there are some legally actionable claims that could be filed in civil court. If women start coming forward with incidents that happened a few years ago, he and his companies will never, ever see the end of this litigation. They’d be bankrupt, and this time, there would be comeback. The same is true for republicans. I think the GOP donors are right to apply the pressure to the RNC to get away from Trump - he’s merely toxic now but he’s about to become full-on Chernobyl radioactive. The sexual assault claims are damaging enough - this lowers his standing among most well-adjusted people in its own right. But the election and post-election aftermath are what could seriously kill the republican party forever. Right now it’s largely democrats who are sounding the sirens of Trump but if the country as a whole sees images of Trump’s supporters engaging in violence and potentially sowing the seeds of violent unrest, those images will be seared into the minds of a majority of Americans for years to come. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2423 "2016-10-15T12:11:55Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > [Trump responds to assault accusations.](http://www.npr.org/2016/10/13/497857068/transcript-donald-trumps-speech-responding-to-assault-accusations) Transcript of his speech today in Florida. Hilary is evil. My accusers are ugly, fat liars. Minorities are crime-riddled, poor chumps that need to come to Jesus. Also some of them are terrorists-- they may be pouring in from the south. > > Vote for me or we all die in an America full of death and ugly, fat chicks. I think trump might have been right about something, for once: [QUOTE=Donald J. Trump] Our campaign represents a true existential threat like they haven’t seen before. [/QUOTE] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=120) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=122)