# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 122
**Author:** ![ThisIsTheEnd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thisistheend/32/4713_2.png) [@ThisIsTheEnd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisIsTheEnd)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2424 "2016-10-15T12:21:15Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Something just occurred to me: I’ve seen several times the fear that someone who wants the same things Trump wants, but smarter, smoother, and more subtle, will come along and grab up his supporters. > > What I wonder is, how many of them would such a candidate get? I think that for many Trump voters, Trump’s brazenness and forthrightness about his horrible viewpoints is a key draw, so anyone who tries to use lower key dog whistles might come across as too politician-like and phony to them. Sure, this person could make up for it in attracting followers and allies who like the subtlety, but I can’t help wondering if that would be equal to the hardcore support Trump currently gets. > > Hmmm. Well, leave out the “more subtle” part. It will be easy enough to find a younger, non-perv, just-ever-so-slightly-less-ADHD version of Trump. ---
**Author:** ![ThisIsTheEnd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thisistheend/32/4713_2.png) [@ThisIsTheEnd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisIsTheEnd)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2425 "2016-10-15T12:23:20Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > Why are people refusing to call this what it is which is radical Caucasian terrorism? Why do white people refuse to utter those words? Radical _ **Evangelical** _ Terrorism. ---
**Author:** ![ThisIsTheEnd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thisistheend/32/4713_2.png) [@ThisIsTheEnd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisIsTheEnd)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2426 "2016-10-15T12:34:51Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Right now it’s largely democrats who are sounding the sirens of Trump but if the country as a whole sees images of Trump’s supporters engaging in violence and potentially sowing the seeds of violent unrest, those images will be seared into the minds of a majority of Americans for years to come. There’s no “potentially” about it. And Clinton will spend a good part of her first year trying to make nice, but at some point the gloves are gonna have to come off. Things usually go the way they have to go. Something’s gonna happen in a red state, either with or without the complicity of that state’s government. If without, depending on what it is, the state will have an opportunity to deal with it first. If with, the feds are going in. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2427 "2016-10-15T12:47:21Z")
> [@ThisIsTheEnd](#): > > Well, leave out the “more subtle” part. > > It will be easy enough to find a younger, non-perv, just-ever-so-slightly-less-ADHD version of Trump. I dunno. They like him because he’s “alpha”–and “alpha” = sexually aggressive. Anyone that can project the level of sexual aggression that has inspired such ferocious response is almost certainly someone with a pattern of terrible behavior toward women. To put it another way–the Donald Trump that didn’t treat women like this would never have been appealing enough to these people to get through the primaries. The thing they like comes from the same well as the behavior that is killing him now. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2428 "2016-10-15T12:49:52Z")
It’s very possible to find a guy who has regressive ideas about women and expresses his male chauvinism in words, but hasn’t actually assaulted women. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2429 "2016-10-15T12:50:45Z")
> [@ThisIsTheEnd](#): > > Well, leave out the “more subtle” part. > > It will be easy enough to find a younger, non-perv, just-ever-so-slightly-less-ADHD version of Trump. This is what I truly fear beyond Trump, whose candidacy already seems like it’s dead. Someone else could come along holding a crucifix and draped in an American flag. ---
**Author:** ![ThisIsTheEnd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thisistheend/32/4713_2.png) [@ThisIsTheEnd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisIsTheEnd)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2430 "2016-10-15T13:12:46Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > I dunno. They like him because he’s “alpha”–and “alpha” = sexually aggressive. Anyone that can project the level of sexual aggression that has inspired such ferocious response is almost certainly someone with a pattern of terrible behavior toward women. > > To put it another way–the Donald Trump that didn’t treat women like this would never have been appealing enough to these people to get through the primaries. The thing they like comes from the same well as the behavior that is killing him now. The “woman” thing, as Mike Pence would put it, didn’t overtly come into play until the last few weeks, unless you count what he said about Fiorina. He steamrollered however many Republican men there were in the primaries. Instead of groping, the non-Trump will just flip it and say, you and me, we’re going to protect our women and children from the [whatevers]. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2431 "2016-10-15T13:16:56Z")
Buzz Windrip in 2020! ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2432 "2016-10-15T13:19:28Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > The same is true for republicans. I think the GOP donors are right to apply the pressure to the RNC to get away from Trump - he’s merely toxic now but he’s about to become full-on Chernobyl radioactive. The sexual assault claims are damaging enough - this lowers his standing among most well-adjusted people in its own right. But the election and post-election aftermath are what could seriously kill the republican party forever. Right now it’s largely democrats who are sounding the sirens of Trump but if the country as a whole sees images of Trump’s supporters engaging in violence and potentially sowing the seeds of violent unrest, those images will be seared into the minds of a majority of Americans for years to come. I’m not so sure. It looks like Republican officials who had started to denounce Trump are signing back on, because Trump isn’t actually losing much support among Republican voters. They have decided to stick with him, despite his flaws. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2433 "2016-10-15T13:20:22Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > This is what I truly fear beyond Trump, whose candidacy already seems like it’s dead. Someone else could come along holding a crucifix and draped in an American flag. Like Ted Cruz, for example? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2434 "2016-10-15T13:23:19Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Like Ted Cruz, for example? > **[The big loser in Donald Trump's war against the GOP is Ted Cruz somehow](https://www.salon.com/2016/10/11/the-big-loser-in-donald-trumps-war-against-the-gop-is-ted-cruz-somehow/)** > > He was supposed to be the establishment candidate. But Ted Cruz is failing miserably “The big loser in Donald Trump’s war against the GOP is Ted Cruz somehow” ---
**Author:** ![ThisIsTheEnd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thisistheend/32/4713_2.png) [@ThisIsTheEnd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisIsTheEnd)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2435 "2016-10-15T13:27:19Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > This is what I truly fear beyond Trump, whose candidacy already seems like it’s dead. Someone else could come along holding a crucifix and draped in an American flag. Well, that’s right. You just swap out the groping and swap in saying Jesus all the time, and leave everything else the same, and there’s your man. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2436 "2016-10-15T13:35:36Z")
What you guys are describing is a standard Republican, overall they are less dangerous than Trump and only very slightly more likely to win. Trump without the trumpiness is just Ted Cruz. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2437 "2016-10-15T13:37:51Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > What you guys are describing is a standard Republican, overall they are less dangerous than Trump and only very slightly more likely to win. Trump without the trumpiness is just Ted Cruz. No, the problem is the Republican who now openly courts racist and sexist votes, openly advocates conspiracy theories, openly encourages violence against his opponents. That doesn’t go away when Trump goes away, and that’s very different from the standard Republican pre-Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2438 "2016-10-15T13:38:23Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Something just occurred to me: I’ve seen several times the fear that someone who wants the same things Trump wants, but smarter, smoother, and more subtle, will come along and grab up his supporters. > > What I wonder is, how many of them would such a candidate get? I think that for many Trump voters, Trump’s brazenness and forthrightness about his horrible viewpoints is a key draw, so anyone who tries to use lower key dog whistles might come across as too politician-like and phony to them. Sure, this person could make up for it in attracting followers and allies who like the subtlety, but I can’t help wondering if that would be equal to the hardcore support Trump currently gets. > > Hmmm. I tend to agree. I think a lot of the fanatic support for Trump is coming from people who feel they’ve had to live in hiding. They don’t just want to be racist and sexist - they want to be openly racist and sexist. Trump is telling them it’s not just okay to think terrible things; he’s telling people they can say them out loud like he does. That’s why every time Trump says something horrible, the general public is appalled - but his inner core of supporters loves him even more. ---
**Author:** ![ThisIsTheEnd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thisistheend/32/4713_2.png) [@ThisIsTheEnd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisIsTheEnd)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2439 "2016-10-15T13:42:34Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > No, the problem is the Republican who now openly courts racist and sexist votes, openly advocates conspiracy theories, openly encourages violence against his opponents. That doesn’t go away when Trump goes away, and that’s very different from the standard Republican pre-Trump. That’s correct. That’s why Trump won the nomination, he didn’t say “we need to do something about illegal immigrants,” he said “I’ll build a wall to keep out the Mexicans.” He wrote the playbook and it worked, but he pulled a groin muscle. You just need a healthy QB. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2440 "2016-10-15T14:01:07Z")
> [@Originally Posted by enipla](#): > > I’ve been wondering this too. > > And I never realized it’s the hate of having a woman in charge. But considering the assholes that support Trump, I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised. WILL women that are married to these goons say, Umm… no, and pull the other lever once in the voting both? They could. > > This may be a bad thing about mail in ballots. “Hey, lets fill these things out and both vote for Trump”. > [@DSeid](#): > > Meh. Maybe even more likely the other way round. You think that Male Trump supporters are going to be convinced to vote for Clinton by their Wife? My thought is that with mail in ballots, it’s much more likely that in a household/marriage it is much more likely that both people will know for certain who the other is voting for. And, through intimidation, the Man may make the Wife vote for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2441 "2016-10-15T14:04:08Z")
This is our present and future: > **[Warnings of conspiracy stoke anger among Trump faithful - The Boston Globe](https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/10/15/donald-trump-warnings-conspiracy-rig-election-are-stoking-anger-among-his-followers/LcCY6e0QOcfH8VdeK9UdsM/story.html?event=event25)** > [@](#): > > Trump said to watch you precincts. I’m going to go, for sure,” said Steve Webb, a 61-year-old carpenter from Fairfield, Ohio. > > “I’ll look for . . . well, it’s called racial profiling. Mexicans. Syrians. People who can’t speak American,” he said. “I’m going to go right up behind them. I’ll do everything legally. I want to see if they are accountable. I’m not going to do anything illegal. I’m going to make them a little bit nervous. > [@](#): > > And if Trump doesn’t win, some are even openly talking about violent rebellion and assassination, as fantastical and unhinged as that may seem. > > “If she’s in office, I hope we can start a coup. She should be in prison or shot. That’s how I feel about it,” Dan Bowman, a 50-year-old contractor, said of Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee. “We’re going to have a revolution and take them out of office if that’s what it takes. There’s going to be a lot of bloodshed. But that’s what it’s going to take. . . . I would do whatever I can for my country.” > > He then placed a Trump mask on his face and posed for pictures. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2442 "2016-10-15T14:07:52Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > No, the problem is the Republican who now openly courts racist and sexist votes, openly advocates conspiracy theories, openly encourages violence against his opponents. That doesn’t go away when Trump goes away, and that’s very different from the standard Republican pre-Trump. That’s just Trump again and he was losing long before the sex predator stuff came out. It took Hillary getting tossed into a car like a sack of potatos to make the race close. You can’t get the Trump supporters without ending your chance at the general. Specially now that anyone who tries is going to be labeled the next Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2443 "2016-10-15T14:18:13Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > That’s just Trump again and he was losing long before the sex predator stuff came out. It took Hillary getting tossed into a car like a sack of potatos to make the race close. You can’t get the Trump supporters without ending your chance at the general. Specially now that anyone who tries is going to be labeled the next Trump. Whether or not that’s enough votes to win or lose an election here or there isn’t really the point. The point that he has fundamentally changed the society we live in. It’s now okay for 30-40 of the population to be openly racist and misogynistic and to threaten people who disagree with them with violence. We no longer live in the same America that we lived in before Trump came down that escalator. We live in a meaner, uglier place where bullies are empowered to lash out. Trump may have lost the election, but he will have an impact on all of us beyond this election, and who knows how long it will be before we can swing the pendulum back. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=121) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=123)