# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 125
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2484 "2016-10-15T17:15:05Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > A First Amendment solution to a Second Amendment solution. 😃 Zactly. 'Nuff said. ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2485 "2016-10-15T17:24:03Z")
So…what are we thinking will happen on Nov 9, if Trump loses, with these people threatening violence? Will they piss out and grumble at home? Or are we facing civil disorder in parts of the country? What would be the response to it? Would the GOP leadership react differently to Democrats? Would Congress have to do something? What would be the political fallout of, frankly, armed insurrection? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2486 "2016-10-15T17:25:36Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Being the voice of reason is such a thankless job. ☚ Cheer up. Maybe you can find a typo to nitpick soon. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2487 "2016-10-15T17:29:19Z")
> [@Malden\_Capell](#): > > So…what are we thinking will happen on Nov 9, if Trump loses, with these people threatening violence? Will they piss out and grumble at home? Or are we facing civil disorder in parts of the country? > > What would be the response to it? Would the GOP leadership react differently to Democrats? Would Congress have to do something? What would be the political fallout of, frankly, armed insurrection? Something tells me that the Republican party and candidates are not going to stand up and defend [these winners](http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/14/us/mosque-attack-thwarted-kansas/index.html) anytime soon. I hope there are few problems, and those that arise are handled quickly by local law enforcement. The Trump supporters with violent tendencies are not the sharpest tools in the shed; they will be caught. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2488 "2016-10-15T17:29:37Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Just curious, do you actually have any opinions of your own, or are you motivated entirely by a desire to criticize the arguments made by others? Past the high school debate coach persona, is there any sort of foundation there? > > For the record, I didn’t have that post “all ready to go”. I dashed it off without a lot of thought between other things I was doing. I’m sorry it didn’t meet your rhetorical standards. I state opinions of my own all the time, sometimes while criticizing someone else’s argument. If you don’t like maybe you should start a blog and turn off commenting. ---
**Author:** ![ThisIsTheEnd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thisistheend/32/4713_2.png) [@ThisIsTheEnd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisIsTheEnd)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2489 "2016-10-15T17:33:44Z")
> [@Malden\_Capell](#): > > So…what are we thinking will happen on Nov 9, if Trump loses, with these people threatening violence? Will they piss out and grumble at home? Or are we facing civil disorder in parts of the country? > > What would be the response to it? Would the GOP leadership react differently to Democrats? Would Congress have to do something? What would be the political fallout of, frankly, armed insurrection? Low end, you get a bunch of Bundy family shit. High end, you get the governor/attorney general of a state defying a federal court order. Which could become a rallying point and escalate. ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2490 "2016-10-15T17:40:05Z")
> [@ThisIsTheEnd](#): > > Low end, you get a bunch of Bundy family shit. > > High end, you get the governor/attorney general of a state defying a federal court order. Which could become a rallying point and escalate. Yeesh, the latter scenario would be serious. Although it would inevitably be crushed, and I’d love for the myth of 2nd Amendment = liberty to be blown away. That, and hardcore Trumpers to be exposed as traitors. I think it would be unlikely to happen though…right? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2491 "2016-10-15T17:42:06Z")
I just hope the Secret Service agents keep an extra-close eye on Trump during the third debate. He seems to be becoming unhinged enough to resort to violence. I can see him leaping over the pedestal. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2492 "2016-10-15T17:44:33Z")
I can’t see Trump leaping over a shoestring. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2493 "2016-10-15T17:45:58Z")
Is Trump going to call [these guys what they are:](http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/14/us/mosque-attack-thwarted-kansas/index.html) White Right Wing Terrorists. He has to use those exact words. Repeatedly. Otherwise we will know that he supports them. Come on Trump. Use the words. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2494 "2016-10-15T17:46:42Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I just hope the Secret Service agents keep an extra-close eye on Trump during the third debate. He seems to be becoming unhinged enough to resort to violence. I can see him leaping over the pedestal. I doubt he’d get more than a foot off the ground. 😃 “Trump attacked during debate. Secret Service agents wrestle lectern to the ground.” (Fans of the early years of SNL should recognize the origin) ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2495 "2016-10-15T17:49:41Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Just curious, do you actually have any opinions of your own, or are you motivated entirely by a desire to criticize the arguments made by others? Past the high school debate coach persona, is there any sort of foundation there? > > For the record, I didn’t have that post “all ready to go”. I dashed it off without a lot of thought between other things I was doing. I’m sorry it didn’t meet your rhetorical standards. [From what I understand, he considers us to be unsophisticated debaters, so if we find his posts harsh or argumentative, it’s our fault not his.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19623389) ---
**Author:** ![ThisIsTheEnd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thisistheend/32/4713_2.png) [@ThisIsTheEnd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisIsTheEnd)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2496 "2016-10-15T17:53:08Z")
> [@Malden\_Capell](#): > > Yeesh, the latter scenario would be serious. Although it would inevitably be crushed, and I’d love for the myth of 2nd Amendment = liberty to be blown away. That, and hardcore Trumpers to be exposed as traitors. > > I think it would be unlikely to happen though…right? [Wallace in the schoolhouse door.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand_in_the_Schoolhouse_Door) Five years later, Wallace won 5 states in the 1968 presidential election. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2497 "2016-10-15T17:58:57Z")
[Donald is challenging Clinton to take a drug test before the next debate, saying that at the last debate she started out all fired up and by the end she could barely reach her car-- he wonders what’s going on there.](http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-challenges-hillary-clinton-take-drug-test-final-debate-n666896?cid=sm_fb) Seriously, he’s taking the exact accusations and questions over his own performance in the first debate and attributing them to Clinton. The man is truly a marvel. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2498 "2016-10-15T18:00:47Z")
> [@Musky\_Moon](#): > > By the way, Ivanka is five minutes away from me today. I honestly feel bad for her. I can’t imagine having to answer questions about your fathers disturbing behavior. Don’t. Her last event was full of hand-picked loyalists with softball questions like “What was it like to grow up with someone as amazing as your father?” and “Tell me about how your father supports women”. Not a single breath was spend on the scandals. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2499 "2016-10-15T18:00:53Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Then you don’t agree with what I quoted. And no, the only offensive attack is not the one addressed to me, but it’s a fantastic example that some of us are the targets of the attacks. JohnT’s words did not make any attempt to distinguish, at all. He just wants to complain about people who only post on the SDMB instead of posting on Twitter, so he attacks them. I see nothing in **JohnT** ’s post that says any of that. As to his expressing his thought specific to people posting here and not doing things in real life (Twitter? Where did you get that?) etc. … clearly in the few minutes after posting it and while you were composing he realized he could have said it better by being less specific and edited his post to remove it. And FWIW I would mostly agree with how he originally posted as you quoted as well. If someone limits their expressions of disapproval of hateful speech and actions to the safety of semi-anonymous message boards mostly filled with those who agree with you, like this one, but stays silent if/when they encounter it in real life then their lack of moral courage enables the behavior. Honestly I think you actually agree with what he said. It’s really not a very controversial position. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2500 "2016-10-15T18:01:39Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > [From what I understand, he considers us to be unsophisticated debaters, so if we find his posts harsh or argumentative, it’s our fault not his.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19623389) Who’s this “us”? There are plenty of reasonable debaters around here. Plenty of people who make reasonable points without getting into a debate too. I don’t recall if you, Bayard or Euphonious Polemic are one of those people but I suspect not so much. Perhaps if you all feel so strongly you can go make a Pit thread rather than make this thread about me. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2501 "2016-10-15T18:02:33Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > [Donald is challenging Clinton to take a drug test before the next debate, saying that at the last debate she started out all fired up and by the end she could barely reach her car-- he wonders what’s going on there.](http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-challenges-hillary-clinton-take-drug-test-final-debate-n666896?cid=sm_fb) > > Seriously, he’s taking the exact accusations and questions over his own performance in the first debate and attributing them to Clinton. The man is truly a marvel. Absolutely right. He is a textbook example of [Projection](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection). Seriously. When he blathers a comment like this you can almost be 100% positive that it applies to himself. ---
**Author:** ![cuauhtemoc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecb155/32.png) [@cuauhtemoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cuauhtemoc)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2502 "2016-10-15T18:29:18Z")
> [@Musky\_Moon](#): > > By the way, Ivanka is five minutes away from me today. I honestly feel bad for her. I can’t imagine having to answer questions about your fathers disturbing behavior. > [@AnalogSignal](#): > > She is probably doing just enough to not get cut out of the will. Is it me, or do people seem to give Ivanka Trump a lot of “benefit of the doubt” when it comes to her total support of her father’s candidacy? I’ve seen suggestions that she doesn’t really believe or condone all the horrid stuff coming from the campaign, that she has some ulterior motive or even a kind of “Stockholm syndrome”. Why is that? Do we have any evidence that her motives are any more pure than her father’s? Or that she’s not making her own decisions, and is therefore less responsible for them? And if we are giving her more credit than she deserves, is it because she’s pretty? Because she’s so much more poised and graceful than her father (takes after her mother in that department, I guess)? Would she get a pass like this if she were plain and awkward? Basically I’m saying there’s a slight but perceptible phenomenon of “Ivanka apologism” going on, and it doesn’t quite sit right with me. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2503 "2016-10-15T18:31:27Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Absolutely right. He is a textbook example of [Projection](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection). Seriously. When he blathers a comment like this you can almost be 100% positive that it applies to himself. So it also has elements of preemptive inoculation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=124) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=126)