# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 128
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2544 "2016-10-15T22:57:40Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > That isn’t far off from [what he said today:](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CAMPAIGN_2016?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-10-15-18-21-32)He clearly doesn’t understand what the word “rig” means or what a “fix” is. Influencing the election isn’t rigging the election, Mr. Trump. Like the Republicans for the last 50 years, he doesn’t care what words mean or what facts are. That has never been the point of their politics. They have always pushed the big lie to spur their minions. They have no interest in winning a contest of ideas. They never have. So, accusing them of not knowing something or not having the facts means nothing to them as a criticism. ---
**Author:** ![purplehearingaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@purplehearingaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehearingaid)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2545 "2016-10-15T23:08:42Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Now Trumpy says he wants Clinton drug-tested before the next debate. :rolleyes: > > [http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/15/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-drug-test/](http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/15/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-drug-test/) > > He’s bordering on schizophrenia now. Maybe it’s a ploy to skip the debate? In any case, I think Trump has given up winning by legitimate means. He’s going full-on scorched earth now. Trump should be given an insanity test ! I believe the guy is bipolar ! ---
**Author:** ![williambaskerville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f14d63/32.png) [@williambaskerville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/williambaskerville)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2546 "2016-10-15T23:14:38Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > That isn’t far off from [what he said today:](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CAMPAIGN_2016?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-10-15-18-21-32)He clearly doesn’t understand what the word “rig” means or what a “fix” is. Influencing the election isn’t rigging the election, Mr. Trump. As a non American, can I register my respect at this point for the way Hillary Clinton has conducted her campaign, in the face of this complete shit storm and frankly rank idiocy ? Yes she’s been probably been keeping a low profile : what are you supposed to do as US presidential candidate when your opponent threatens to jail you ? Are you seriously supposed to have to explain why he can’t ? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2547 "2016-10-15T23:15:56Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > And it’s not just the strangers who stop short. Daughter Tiffany doesn’t seem all that impressed either. > > [https://youtu.be/BdO4vvWZE2Q](https://youtu.be/BdO4vvWZE2Q) > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Oh geez… all of my girl cousins and I used to react this way to our lecherous, handsy Uncle Steve. Blech. And this is clearly a well-practiced move–she knew exactly what was coming. ---
**Author:** ![duality72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duality72/32/3910_2.png) [@duality72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duality72)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2548 "2016-10-15T23:22:26Z")
> [@purplehearingaid](#): > > Trump should be given an insanity test ! I believe the guy is bipolar ! Maybe she can agree to the drug test if he agrees to a psychiatric evaluation. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2549 "2016-10-15T23:56:15Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > I think Hillary would whoop his ass. She’s small but wiry. 🙂 [I’m not the only one who suspects she’d enjoy the chance:](http://bitterempire.com/presidential-candidates-ranked-usefulness-bar-fight/) > [@](#): > > [S]he’s had freaking decades of politely French-pressing rage over bullshit sexist coverage of her serious Presidential campaigns and the entire world’s media speculating on intimate details of her marriage. Hell, Hillary Clinton probably _needs_ a bar fight. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2550 "2016-10-16T00:00:07Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Honestly I think you actually agree with what he said. I beg your pardon? ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2551 "2016-10-16T00:12:29Z")
> [@Maastricht](#): > > Nine women have come forward with tales of unwanted grabbing and kissing. Apparently, such assault, were it brought to trial, could result in jail time and fines. But wait, didn’t Trump brag that “when you’re a star, they let you do it”? It would be pretty awesome if Trump were to discover that actually, no, they don’t. > [@Maastricht](#): > > So, even if either the Trump University case or the sexual assault cases would lead to a prison sentence, that would not technically bar Trump from the Presidency. Perhaps not, but losing the election would definitely bar him from the presidency. And the Trump University trial begins shortly after, and maybe even a sexual assault case or two. Trump may get his wish of getting government-paid accommodation after the election, but perhaps not in the way he was hoping. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2552 "2016-10-16T00:14:41Z")
> [@cuauhtemoc](#): > > Is it me, or do people seem to give Ivanka Trump a lot of “benefit of the doubt” when it comes to her total support of her father’s candidacy? > [@](#): > > And if we are giving her more credit than she deserves, is it because she’s pretty? Because she’s so much more poised and graceful than her father (takes after her mother in that department, I guess)? Would she get a pass like this if she were plain and awkward? > > Basically I’m saying there’s a slight but perceptible phenomenon of “Ivanka apologism” going on, and it doesn’t quite sit right with me. It does say something that the journalist who has pushed her the hardest was from [Cosmopolitan](http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a3356886/ivanka-trump-child-care-maternity-leave-policy/) (which is not usually known for its hard hitting reporting), where she tried to play her dad’s game of denying the truth and then claiming that the media is attacking him with his own words. All of his kids are right there with him. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2553 "2016-10-16T00:18:55Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I beg your pardon? I think you disagree with a misinterpretation of what he said, not what he actually said and seems to have clearly meant. I suspect you agree that hopefully “every person” has the moral courage to speak up when they are in the presence of those making offensive speech and to object to it, even if gently or with humor, in real life, not just on message boards and Twitter. Maybe I am wrong and you would not agree with that hope. But it would surprise me. ---
**Author:** ![Rushgeekgirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rushgeekgirl/32/3715_2.png) [@Rushgeekgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rushgeekgirl)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2554 "2016-10-16T00:39:23Z")
> [@Section\_Maker\_Jupe](#): > > My quick googling failed to find it, but today I saw video footage of an interview with one of the men involved… (or voice over of a still shot?) on CNN or MSNBC… I wasnt paying too close attention (post nap:smack:) This video was linked in the story posted here with an interview with the two (legally) gun-toting protesters: [http://www.newsplex.com/content/news/Legally-armed-protester-hangs-outside-Dittmar-campaign-offices-for-hours-397039141.html](http://www.newsplex.com/content/news/Legally-armed-protester-hangs-outside-Dittmar-campaign-offices-for-hours-397039141.html) ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2555 "2016-10-16T00:42:03Z")
I was checking 538 daily; now it’s 4 times a day. I need help. But while I’m there…in the past few days, Arizona has gone pink - blue - pink - blue - pink. It’s like the end of Disney’s _Sleeping Beauty_. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2556 "2016-10-16T00:49:53Z")
When a state is in fact reasonably considered a knife’s edge toss-up within a model a bit of dust on one edge of the scale or the other will tilt it. Leave that for the foreseeable future within that model Arizona is way too close to call. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2557 "2016-10-16T00:56:54Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > I think you disagree with a misinterpretation of what he said, not what he actually said and seems to have clearly meant. As you pointed out, he edited out the precise claim that I disagreed with. The claim I quoted was what I objected to, and would continue to object to. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2558 "2016-10-16T01:06:51Z")
Trump is getting sicker by the day. ---
**Author:** ![boffking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/858c86/32.png) [@boffking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boffking)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2559 "2016-10-16T01:30:18Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > I was checking 538 daily; now it’s 4 times a day. I need help. > > But while I’m there…in the past few days, Arizona has gone pink - blue - pink - blue - pink. It’s like the end of Disney’s _Sleeping Beauty_. Maine’s 2nd district is doing the same thing. I’m volunteering for the Hillary campaign in Maine, and we are focusing all of our attention on CD2 . ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2560 "2016-10-16T02:08:02Z")
> [@boffking](#): > > Maine’s 2nd district is doing the same thing. I’m volunteering for the Hillary campaign in Maine, and we are focusing all of our attention on CD2 . I certainly hope they’re devoting some effort to down-ticket races. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2561 "2016-10-16T02:27:21Z")
My first thought when I saw Trump calling for a drug test was that he wanted to make Hillary was taking the same drugs as him. Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2562 "2016-10-16T02:56:44Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > This is our present and future: > > [http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/10/15/donald-trump-warnings-conspiracy-rig-election-are-stoking-anger-among-his-followers/LcCY6e0QOcfH8VdeK9UdsM/story.html?event=event25](http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/10/15/donald-trump-warnings-conspiracy-rig-election-are-stoking-anger-among-his-followers/LcCY6e0QOcfH8VdeK9UdsM/story.html?event=event25) HAL: Look Dan, I can see you’re really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over. ``` “*If she’s in office, I hope we can start a coup. She should be in prison or shot. That’s how I feel about it,” **Dan Bowman** , a 50-year-old contractor, said of Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee. “We’re going to have a revolution and take them out of office if that’s what it takes. There’s going to be a lot of bloodshed. But that’s what it’s going to take. . . . I would do whatever I can for my country.*” ``` HAL: Affirmative, Dan. I read you. Dan Bowman: Open the gun safe doors, HAL. HAL: I’m sorry, Dan. I’m afraid I can’t do that. Dan Bowman: What’s the problem? HAL: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do. Dan Bowman: What are you talking about, HAL? HAL: This country is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2563 "2016-10-16T03:23:06Z")
Well, one thing’s true: Bowman’s country is going away. It’s dying and having Clinton in office is likely to make it die faster; of course, having Trump as the GOP’s nominee is even more important than having a woman running the Oval Office in killing off the country Bowman reveres. The country that’s dying viewed Trump as a loutish boor at worst, someone whose worst excesses could be quietly covered up and ignored in the name of propriety and good manners. Having everything out in the open, and having the man himself rub people’s noses in it in the apparent belief that everyone does, or would do, the same things, is forcing the more “traditionally decent” people of this country to come to terms with the fact a good majority view Trump as a sexual predator who does things no good, sane person would _ever_ want to do. It’s forcing a conflict between “traditional decency” and _human decency_, and human decency is winning. As it turns out, most people think it’s more important to fight this shit than to keep it private and out of public view. So, yes, the country Bowman loves is burning. It’s a shameful memory; let it burn. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=127) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=129)