# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 131
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2604 "2016-10-16T15:59:54Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Six points (which sounds small but is a certain, not-even-close EV win) \*\*\*Let’s not get complacent, please. * * * Six points is a certain win _if the polls are reliable_. But not if there are two million Americans too ashamed to say “Trump” to a pollster but happy to pull that lever spitefully when alone in the polling booth. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2605 "2016-10-16T16:04:24Z")
> [@computergeek](#): > > I initially gave the 3 kids (Ivanka, Jr, and Eric) a pass, but no way do I give them a pass now. The 2 boys have opened their yaps and everyone can see they are just like their dad. Ivanka may give the appearance of being an ok person and not given to fits of crazyness like her dad, but she and her husband are hip-deep in managing her dad’s campaign. Maybe she can’t control her dad 100% like she wants, but hubby seems to want to manage everything about the campaign if you believe the media reports. She’s been trying to downplay her dad’s crazy stuff by offering softer stuff like the parental leave policy Trump announced a couple of months ago, and she’s given speeches trying to pass her dad off as a great guy. If she was truly aghast at the things he’s said (even before the sexual assault accusations), she would have found a way to stay away from the campaign or at least not be so involved in it You mean like his other daughter, Tiffany? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![ThisIsTheEnd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thisistheend/32/4713_2.png) [@ThisIsTheEnd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisIsTheEnd)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2606 "2016-10-16T16:05:31Z")
> [@Maastricht](#): > > [Interesting think piece on Vox](http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/15/13286498/donald-trump-voters-race-economic-anxiety). Research shows that Trump resonates with voters for one reson, and one reason only: racism. Not because they’re economically left behind. It’s about time someone took on this economic meme the liberal opinion pundits have been trotting out to make themselves feel better. It’s like this is their way of suppressing a Tourette’s outburst of calling Trump supporters fruit flies. If you ever heard Trump supporters crying the economically left behind meme (which you don’t), then someone should be pointing out to them that their beloved Constitution doesn’t guarantee them a lifetime job of scraping rocks off of cave walls. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2607 "2016-10-16T16:08:06Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > \*\*\*Let’s not get complacent, please. > > * * * > > Six points is a certain win _if the polls are reliable_. But not if there are two million Americans too ashamed to say “Trump” to a pollster but happy to pull that lever spitefully when alone in the polling booth. I have no idea why you wouldn’t expect this to work in the other direction, as in people who come to their senses in the booth and go “Do I _really_ want to punch the ticket of this raving madman?” ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2608 "2016-10-16T16:13:05Z")
Trump supporters are not in any way shape or form ashamed of supporting Trump, that would imply admitting there is something wrong with that. This idea that there are millions of Trump supporters too afraid to admit it to completely anonymous pollsters is simply ridiculous. If anything the polls are over estimating his support as his most ardent supporters are not regular voters, and he has zero ground game compared to Hillary’s state of the art campaign. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2609 "2016-10-16T16:16:00Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > I have no idea why you wouldn’t expect this to work in the other direction, as in people who come to their senses in the booth and go “Do I _really_ want to\*\* punch the ticket of this raving madman\*\*?” That phrase usually refers to killing a person. Still might apply. ---
**Author:** ![Corry\_El](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@Corry\_El](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corry_El)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2610 "2016-10-16T16:18:57Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > For her part, Clinton \*might \*be able to move the needle by immediately agreeing w Senate leadership on a binding agreement on specific named centrist Supreme Court nominees for the duration of her term. Your following paragraphs (‘relatively sane’, etc, IOW the left is now conclusively morally superior and no longer has to win arguments on policy merits, an enviable position…assuming everyone agreed 🙂 ) shows one reason that would never happen as part of an election. It’s also pretty far in the weeds from most right leaning voters’ POV. It’s conceivable a deal something like that could be negotiated among elected politicians, not saying now but hypothetically in the future. Anyway it’s valid for liberals to want their candidate to name liberal judges, and valid for conservatives to not want that but rather somebody who they think it’s more likely would name conservative judges (even if that candidate isn’t a conservative which Trump isn’t, and has other serious problems). Nobody is being paranoid or crazy to resist liberal/conservative judges, and the unwritten rule against that which prevailed at one time was repealed in the Bork battle a long time ago now. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2611 "2016-10-16T16:26:48Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I’ll bet $100 against that and give you 2-to-1 odds. It’s possible, but the stability of the race suggests otherwise. If Trump were going to collapse, why would it not have happened by now, after all the reasons given to the electorate to vote against him?.. **adaher** already dodged my offer of a bet (in the Portman-Strickland U.S. Senate race thread, about Trump carrying Ohio), so I doubt he’ll take yours. Speaking of which, the Trump campaign is now squabbling with the state GOP chair in must-win Ohio: [Donald Trump campaign denounces, severs ties with Ohio Republican Party Chairman Matt Borges - cleveland.com](http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2016/10/donald_trump_campaign_denounce.html#incart_river_home_pop) ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2612 "2016-10-16T16:37:29Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > **adaher** already dodged my offer of a bet (in the Portman-Strickland U.S. Senate race thread, about Trump carrying Ohio), so I doubt he’ll take yours. > > Speaking of which, the Trump campaign is now squabbling with the state GOP chair in must-win Ohio: [Donald Trump campaign denounces, severs ties with Ohio Republican Party Chairman Matt Borges - cleveland.com](http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2016/10/donald_trump_campaign_denounce.html#incart_river_home_pop) Yeah I saw that, echoing his meltdown hissyfit in Wisconsin. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2613 "2016-10-16T16:40:28Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I just hope the Secret Service agents keep an extra-close eye on Trump during the third debate. He seems to be becoming unhinged enough to resort to violence. I can see him leaping over the pedestal. And a large portion of his supporters would support him doing it or at least make excuses for him. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2614 "2016-10-16T16:42:10Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > IMO there \*is \*a window of opportunity for Trump to drop a few more percent per **adaher**. > > But it’d take something really colossal per **RickJay** : You forgot one. What about undeniable proof that Trump is in 100’s of millions of debt to Russian ogliarchs? Because I believe this one is rather more likely than yours and if someone has been digging now is the time they’ll make it live. ---
**Author:** ![MacCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maccat/32/216_2.png) [@MacCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacCat)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2615 "2016-10-16T16:46:49Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > If some tapes appear of him totally trashing all forms of Christianity and he says something like “Christian losers and fools who believe in that garbage.” “I’ve totally duped them for my own gain.” “I’m bigger and Greater than Jesus ever was.”, etc. > > Those are the scale of things that \*could \*peel away some additional fraction of his current support. > > But that’s about it. More rape allegations, or even a murder allegation, won’t move the needle. To be honest™, I’m not saying, but many people are saying™, his use of the N Word, could certainly galvanize higher turnout for Hillary. I’m not saying, but _many, many people are saying_™ it, believe me™. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2616 "2016-10-16T16:48:17Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Screw Arizona, fucking _Texas_ is in play. Lose that and you might as well plant daisies. Clinton has a better chance of taking Texas than Trump has of taking Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Wisconsin, or Colorado - which in recent years have been considered swing states. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2617 "2016-10-16T16:56:16Z")
> [@MacCat](#): > > To be honest™, I’m not saying, but many people are saying™, his use of the N Word, could certainly galvanize higher turnout for Hillary. I’m not saying, but _many, many people are saying_™ it, believe me™. We need it on tape. Or in an email.:eek: ---
**Author:** ![MacCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maccat/32/216_2.png) [@MacCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacCat)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2618 "2016-10-16T17:04:49Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > We need it on tape. > > Or in an email.:eek: No Twitter? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2619 "2016-10-16T17:08:35Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Screw Arizona, fucking _Texas_ is in play. Lose that and you might as well plant daisies. To be fair, if he loses that it’s because he already planted the daisies. It’s still 13 points more Trumpward than the national average after all. (538 PollsOnly numbers.) Interesting how 538’s greater uncertainty plays out. It means that compared to the other prediction sites (aggregators and betting markets both) he’s still the lowest odds of a Clinton win but the others also rank Texas as an even greater longshot - The Upshot at only a 3% chance and that’s the most generous of the other sites. ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2620 "2016-10-16T17:37:58Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Clinton has a better chance of taking Texas than Trump has of taking Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Wisconsin, or Colorado - which in recent years have been considered swing states. She can’t have a better chance of taking Texas because she has a 0% chance of taking Texas. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2621 "2016-10-16T17:43:57Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > As this realization starts to settle in on his deplorables, I think they will become the story. They really do by into this notion that their messiah’s going to win the election and if he doesn’t that it’s because the game is rigged. It kinda is, actually. Only, the fix isn’t in against Trump specifically, but against the GOP as a group. See, several years ago, I issued a decree that the Republican Party is forever forbidden from putting another of their candidates into the Oval Office. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2622 "2016-10-16T18:00:58Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > It kinda is, actually. Only, the fix isn’t in against Trump specifically, but against the GOP as a group. > > See, several years ago, I issued a decree that the Republican Party is forever forbidden from putting another of their candidates into the Oval Office. I have actually cited your declaration in meatspace discussions. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2623 "2016-10-16T18:10:44Z")
Well, finally an explanation for this election that makes sense. It was Kayla’s Dad all along! I knew it; thanks, man! Now, what other decrees have you issued? Was that yours, the one about the illegality of adjacent urinals? Can we get one on cover songs, so they’re legally required to be different and better than the original? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=130) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=132)