# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 134
**Author:** ![crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@crucible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crucible)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2664 "2016-10-17T04:04:52Z")
An interesting question, of course, if whether Trump can duplicate his 2016 capture of the nomination. I honestly think HRC will do her part for 4 years, then ask for a relief pitcher, even if things go very well for her in office. Then who? Warren? Booker? M. Obama? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2665 "2016-10-17T04:06:57Z")
> [@crucible](#): > > An interesting question, of course, if whether Trump can duplicate his 2016 capture of the nomination. I honestly think HRC will do her part for 4 years, then ask for a relief pitcher, even if things go very well for her in office. Then who? Warren? Booker? M. Obama? Chelsea! ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2666 "2016-10-17T04:13:27Z")
I really doubt Trump could recapture the GOP nomination in four years, given how many bridges he’s burning this time and how badly it looks like he’s going to lose. Nobody’s had a second go-round as a party’s nominee after having already lost once in the general election since Nixon did it in '68, IIRC, and Nixon didn’t have nearly Trump’s baggage. And 'waaaay too soon to say, but there’s no reason to think Hillary wouldn’t run for reelection in 2020. If she didn’t, though, Tim Kaine would be well-positioned to run. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2667 "2016-10-17T04:22:46Z")
There was a firebombing of a Republican office in North Carolina today, and somebody wrote graffiti on the ruins, “Nazi Republicans leave town or else". Trump immediately claimed Hillary was responsible, and the deplorables are out claiming that she ordered the attack. No explanation from them as to what she would have gained from it. [Democrats immediately raised over $13,000 to rebuild the office.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democrats-raise-funds-north-carolina-republican-firebombed-office_us_580430eee4b0162c043cb7e1) [Hillary’s latest ad links Trump to Alex Jones.](https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/787748100324503552/video/1) ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2668 "2016-10-17T04:23:15Z")
So the battle to take ISIS capital mosul has begun. > **[ISIS in the crosshairs: Battle for Mosul begins | CNN](https://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/16/middleeast/mosul-isis-operation-begins-iraq/index.html)** > > The offensive to liberate Mosul from ISIS control has begun, Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi said in a televised statement early Monday. Count down until Trump starts claiming that the timing of this is an effort by Obama to “rig the election” ? Of course taking Mosul won’t put an end to ISIS but it will be a major blow to ISIS including majorly damaging their credibility and ability to recruit and also make it harder for the right to maintain the “Obama is being totally ineffective against ISIS bullshit.” Probably won’t move the needle much as it seems Trump is already at rock bottom. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2669 "2016-10-17T04:26:38Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Okay, what the hell is Daily News Bin? Do the sprinkle satire or distortion into some of their stories? Many of the headlines on the main page look legit, but [Trump tears apart his word-machine at a rally](http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/donald-trump-has-total-meltdown-at-rally-begins-physically-ripping-his-teleprompter-apart/26313/) just seems weird. I mean they do not even speculate that he must have been upset to discover that it was out of croutons. Extremely disreputable pro-Clinton website run by someone who [plays at being a journalist when the people at DemocraticUnderground.com call him out for being a complete yahoo](http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511639395); in short, it’s clickbait for the Facebook crowd, and intelligent leftists don’t take it seriously. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2670 "2016-10-17T04:40:18Z")
Meltdown! Trump has made 16 twitter posts in the last 24 hours including two directly attacking Paul Ryan again. Triggered ! Maybe he needs a safe space ? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2671 "2016-10-17T04:40:46Z")
And today 538 has Arizona the palest of blue, with 52.3% for Hillary on the Nowcast. ---
**Author:** ![ganthet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de0a6/32.png) [@ganthet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ganthet)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2672 "2016-10-17T04:57:54Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > So the battle to take ISIS capital mosul has begun. > [http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/16/middleeast/mosul-isis-operation-begins-iraq/index.html](http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/16/middleeast/mosul-isis-operation-begins-iraq/index.html) > > Count down until Trump starts claiming that the timing of this is an effort by Obama to “rig the election” ? Da’esh’s de facto capital is Ar Raqqah in Syria. Mosul is just the largest city population-wise by far that Da’esh occupies. But as of the last debate, Trump thinks it is ridiculous that any offensives are announced and thinks, relying on his military experience and genius, that we should be conducting these operations through surprise attacks. Nevermind that a large scale offensive involves tens of thousands of troops openly maneuvering into position and shaping operations to surround and isolate the area around the city before any actual attack into the city begins, so that Da’esh reinforcements aren’t able to enter at will and the fighters in Mosul aren’t able to escape. Both of these take days/weeks, particularly given the logistics and organizational struggles of the Government of Iraq. Surprise outside of the tactical level is not possible for Iraqi/Coalition forces. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2673 "2016-10-17T05:03:23Z")
> [@ganthet](#): > > Da’esh’s de facto capital is Ar Raqqah in Syria. Mosul is just the largest city population-wise by far that Da’esh occupies. But as of the last debate, Trump thinks it is ridiculous that any offensives are announced and thinks, relying on his military experience and genius, that we should be conducting these operations through surprise attacks. Nevermind that a large scale offensive involves tens of thousands of troops openly maneuvering into position and shaping operations to surround and isolate the area around the city before any actual attack into the city begins, so that Da’esh reinforcements aren’t able to enter at will and the fighters in Mosul aren’t able to escape. Both of these take days/weeks, particularly given the logistics and organizational struggles of the Government of Iraq. Surprise outside of the tactical level is not possible for Iraqi/Coalition forces. The Iraqi government also has to worry about its own civilians in the city. They are dropping flyers telling civilians to stay away from the fighting zones. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2674 "2016-10-17T05:07:29Z")
Sound like excellent advise, especially if they offer some information about just where the _other_ zones are located. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2675 "2016-10-17T05:16:14Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Sound like excellent advise, especially if they offer some information about just where the _other_ zones are located. Germany? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2676 "2016-10-17T05:18:54Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Germany? Holy crap, really? ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2677 "2016-10-17T05:55:02Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Sound like excellent advise, especially if they offer some information about just where the _other_ zones are located. Well I know you being facetious but the serious answer. They point out an explicit safe corridor that they suggest you exit the city by. Then they have plenty of troops at that corridor to keep watch and make sure that armed forces are not leaving via that corridor. Of course Daesh fighters can just discard all their weapons and blend into the civilians, but it seems there is considerable resentment against Daesh from the general population so there’s a real chance they’d get pointed out by civilians to the Iraqi forces as they tried to leave (or possibly beaten to death by civilians once they discard their weapons). This is another reason why Trump’s “we shouldn’t be giving them warning is imbecilic”, there are 100s of thousands of civilians in Mosul who are also victims of Daesh. Bombing the city or starting mass artillery attacks without warning the civilians to get out and providing a safe corridor is reprehensible and possibly a war crime. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2678 "2016-10-17T06:01:36Z")
If they discard their weapons and blend in with the civilians, they effectively _are_ civilians, for all practical purposes. How many of ISIS’ “fighters” are conscripts? Would anyone be surprised if volunteering to fight might ensure that one’s family was safe from suspicion? ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2679 "2016-10-17T06:34:02Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Meltdown! Trump has made 16 twitter posts in the last 24 hours including two directly attacking Paul Ryan again. Triggered ! Maybe he needs a safe space ? Talk about butt hurt. [http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161017/227dee1ad441bc4d069fe94e652a64f2.jpg](http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161017/227dee1ad441bc4d069fe94e652a64f2.jpg) Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2680 "2016-10-17T07:04:35Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > If they discard their weapons and blend in with the civilians, they effectively _are_ civilians, for all practical purposes. How many of ISIS’ “fighters” are conscripts? Would anyone be surprised if volunteering to fight might ensure that one’s family was safe from suspicion? Nope, not under the geneva convention they are not. Fighters who discard their weapons can still be detained as POW’s if they are identified while civilians cannot be detained as POWs. Daesh / ISIS has claimed itself to be a nation, so to some degree the geneva conventions should apply. (yes I’m a idealist but it’s still an important distinction). From what I’ve read most ISIS fighters are volunteers not conscripts, they either signed up for the monthly paycheck and looting opportunities or genuinely believe in ISIS mission to create a new Caliphate. ---
**Author:** ![ThisIsTheEnd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thisistheend/32/4713_2.png) [@ThisIsTheEnd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisIsTheEnd)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2681 "2016-10-17T07:36:41Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > There was a firebombing of a Republican office in North Carolina today, and somebody wrote graffiti on the ruins, “Nazi Republicans leave town or else". Trump immediately claimed Hillary was responsible, and the deplorables are out claiming that she ordered the attack. No explanation from them as to what she would have gained from it. [Democrats immediately raised over $13,000 to rebuild the office.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democrats-raise-funds-north-carolina-republican-firebombed-office_us_580430eee4b0162c043cb7e1) > > [Hillary’s latest ad links Trump to Alex Jones.](https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/787748100324503552/video/1) Does [Ashley Todd](http://www.truecrimereport.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/bvictim-1.jpg) have an alibi? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2682 "2016-10-17T07:42:13Z")
Has anyone mentioned Mr. Gilberthorpe, the British teen pimp who vouches for Trump? ---
**Author:** ![Maastricht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@Maastricht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maastricht)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2683 "2016-10-17T09:46:08Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Has anyone mentioned Mr. Gilberthorpe, the British teen pimp who vouches for Trump? Apparently, he makes his money [by offering himself up as paid witness in slimy spurious cases that he hopes won’t go to trial.](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/15/trump-allegation-british-witness-anthony-gilberthorpe) Guys like that are hyenas. Inspired by revenge, and a hunger for money, fame, and a desire to wreak havoc. (Apologies to real hyena’s, which, are, by all accounts brave predators with an undeservedly bad reputation). But it seems like Trumps [rape trial by the alledged teen-at-the-time “Katie Johnson”](http://www.snopes.com/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit/) is [set up by a similar hyena.](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/07/donald-trump-sexual-assault-lawsuits-norm-lubow) > [@](#): > > Lawsuits accusing Donald Trump of sexually assaulting a child in the 1990s appear to have been orchestrated by an eccentric anti-Trump campaigner with a record of making outlandish claims about celebrities. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=133) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=135)