# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 138
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2744 "2016-10-17T19:37:10Z")
On the other hand, this [piece](http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/why-trump-tv-probably-wont-happen) in the New Yorker lays out a reasonable case for why we won’t see Trump TV. > [@](#): > > In recent years, several Trump-like personalities have tried to transform their populist shtick into a television venture and have failed. First, there was the Sarah Palin Channel, which lasted less than a year. Glenn Beck, who once led the anti-Obama conspiracy theorists on the right, had a popular show on HLN and then Fox News, but his Blaze TV project has been in a death spiral this year. > > Recent newcomers to cable news, like Bloomberg and Fox Business Channel, have also failed to take off. Outside of conservative and news media, networks designed around a single person are no easier to sustain. Even the Oprah Winfrey Network, a cable channel with hundreds of millions of dollar in startup funds, created, in 2011, by one of the most popular personalities in America, has struggled to post impressive ratings. Might be more likely to see something more “New Media” - Trump mashup of Breitbart & Infowars anyone? (Partial ninja by EP - .must.refresh.often.) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2745 "2016-10-17T19:37:35Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > I doubt very much that a network dedicated to the nuttiest of Conservatives could be commercially viable at all. Have you observed the kind of ads the rightwing broadcasters carry? Shit like goldline? The extreme types tend to be overly credulous. He would have no trouble lining up all the scam artistes to play to an audience of primarily dupes. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2746 "2016-10-17T19:38:55Z")
John McCain is campaigning for Republicans around the country (even though he’s in a very tight reelection bid in Arizona) by[promising that a Republican majority in the Senate would block any Hillary Supreme Court nominee.](http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/10/17/mccain-just-admitted-republicans-will-block-justice-nominated-hillary/) ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2747 "2016-10-17T19:42:13Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > John McCain is campaigning for Republicans around the country (even though he’s in a very tight reelection bid in Arizona) by[promising that a Republican majority in the Senate would block any Hillary Supreme Court nominee.](http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/10/17/mccain-just-admitted-republicans-will-block-justice-nominated-hillary/) This is pretty interesting. I wonder if his colleagues agree, or if this is just a gambit to simultaneously harm Trump and help elect a GOP Senate. I’ve long said that the Glorious Dictatorship of Justice Elena Kagan in Year 2032 will be a period of relative happiness for the country. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2748 "2016-10-17T19:45:26Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > You bigly overestimate the sanity of the New American Alt-Right. No, I don’t. The problem with the idea Trump’s going to create a news network that actually threatens Fox News isn’t that there isn’t a market for this stuff. It’s that the market already has the product. Why would Trump’s product be more popular - especially after he loses? Trump isn’t polling 40% of people who want a news network, they want Trump to be President. If he fails, he will be a failure to them. A yuge loser, you might say. It’s akin to saying that there seems to be an insatiable demand for superhero movies, so Donald Trump can just start writing and producing superhero movies and he’ll take half of Marvel’s audience. That would be perfectly logical except for the small problem that Trump doesn’t know how to make a movie and people seem to be pretty good with the superhero movie franchises they’ve got. ---
**Author:** ![Catamount](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/catamount/32/2840_2.png) [@Catamount](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catamount)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2749 "2016-10-17T19:46:12Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > John McCain is campaigning for Republicans around the country (even though he’s in a very tight reelection bid in Arizona) by[promising that a Republican majority in the Senate would block any Hillary Supreme Court nominee.](http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/10/17/mccain-just-admitted-republicans-will-block-justice-nominated-hillary/) “Vote for us and keep the gears of government fully locked! Getting things done is for losers!” :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2750 "2016-10-17T19:47:02Z")
> **[Trump Left Off Official Alaska Voter Guide After Missing Deadline](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-left-off-alaska-voter-guide)** > > Undecided Alaskan voters will be able to read about Hillary Clinton and Jill Stein in an informational pamphlet sent to them over the weekend, but not Donald Trump. Trump’s campaign didn’t send the… Oops. I wonder if Alaska is the only one? ---
**Author:** ![soonerblue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/soonerblue/32/3302_2.png) [@soonerblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/soonerblue)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2751 "2016-10-17T19:47:36Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > I find this extremely troubling – political violence is unheard of in this country. I hope to God that we haven’t crossed a line and are now a full-fledged banana republic. > > On the other hand – I know this sounds like right-wing bat-shit conspiracy-theory stuff, but I could totally believe it if this was a false flag operation. It was the first thing I thought of, it’s logical to wonder. Smells like a Trump supporter to me; killing two birds with one stone - making Clinton supporters look bad, and getting back at the GOP biggies for snubbing Trump. Trump was the only one who benefited. Why would Democrats do this? How would it benefit us? All we have to do is sit tight until Election Day. Let Trump continue to implode, filling the headlines with crazy - such as SNL is in on the vast global conspiracy against him. Truth be told, I’ve been worried about worse being staged than this empty office bombing attack… ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2752 "2016-10-17T19:49:49Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > [Trump Left Off Official Alaska Voter Guide After Missing Deadline - TPM – Talking Points Memo](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-left-off-alaska-voter-guide) > > Oops. I wonder if Alaska is the only one? It’s interesting that on that same page, their poll has Hillary within 2 points of Trump of taking Alaska. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2753 "2016-10-17T19:52:19Z")
> [@Catamount](#): > > “Vote for us and keep the gears of government fully locked! Getting things done is for losers!” > > :rolleyes: [Flippity-flop.](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mccain-will-vote-on-clinton-supreme-court-nominee) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2754 "2016-10-17T20:02:26Z")
The N Vietnamese couldn’t break John McCain, but John McCain could. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2755 "2016-10-17T20:38:06Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > On NPR just now they were saying the Trump network might be by subscription, a la Netflix, Hulu, etc. > > Also, I see an ongoing shopping program. Perfect vehicle for Ivanka’s clothing and anything else the Trumpsters care to peddle-- hunting stuff, survivalist gear, home schooling products, electronics. The network will get a percentage, of course. And I assume there will be a grab-a-pussy pet store show also. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2756 "2016-10-17T20:47:29Z")
> [@Nonsuch](#): > > Unless Trump can get people to pony up for web subscriptions. He could perhaps get enough [del]suckers[/del] subscribers to make such a venture self-sustaining, at least for a time. I dunno. He’s no Oprah, and he doesn’t like to give away free stuff neither. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2757 "2016-10-17T20:49:41Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > [Trump Left Off Official Alaska Voter Guide After Missing Deadline - TPM – Talking Points Memo](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-left-off-alaska-voter-guide) > > Oops. I wonder if Alaska is the only one? That can only be a plus for Trump. The more people know about him, the less they like him. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2758 "2016-10-17T20:58:44Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > [Trump Left Off Official Alaska Voter Guide After Missing Deadline - TPM – Talking Points Memo](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-left-off-alaska-voter-guide) > > Oops. I wonder if Alaska is the only one? Relevant quote from the article: "Trump’s campaign didn’t send the necessary materials to Alaskan election officials before the August 30 deadline, according a report from The Hill. Gary Johnson’s campaign also failed to respond to Alaskan election officials in time. The Hill reported that Josie Bahnke, Alaska’s director of elections, also reached out to the Republican National Committee, Paul Ryan, and the Alaska GOP, but no one responded in time to be included in the pamphlet." So the Trump campaign is the one who dropped the ball here. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2759 "2016-10-17T21:09:46Z")
Trump dropped the ball in many ways. Not doing the work and pissing off people otherwise inclined to help him. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2760 "2016-10-17T21:15:45Z")
[A Democratic campaign HQ was attacked in NC on the same night as the Republican office was firebombed.](http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/nc-democratic-headquarters-attacked-on-same-night-nearby-gop-office-was-firebombed/) ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2761 "2016-10-17T21:26:18Z")
Radical Independent Terrorism? They are the biggest group after all aren’t they? ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blue_blistering_barnacle/32/3386_2.png) [@Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blue_Blistering_Barnacle)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2762 "2016-10-17T21:26:26Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > …snipped… > > OK, Reagan appointed James Watt Secretary of the Interior. Does _that_ burnish his environmentalist credentials? > > …snipped… Don’t forget Anne Gorsuch to “head” (sorry, I mean “strip down”) the EPA. > **[Anne Gorsuch Burford](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Gorsuch_Burford)** > > Anne Irene McGill Gorsuch Burford (/ˈɡɔːrsʌtʃ/ GOR-sutch; April 21, 1942 – July 18, 2004), also known as Anne M. Gorsuch, was an American attorney and politician. Between 1981 and 1983, while known as Anne M. Gorsuch, she served under President Ronald Reagan as the first female Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). Her son is sitting Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States Neil Gorsuch. > Born Anne Irene McGill in Casper, Wyoming, Gorsuch grew up in Denver... ---
**Author:** ![BrianH035](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e5b9ba/32.png) [@BrianH035](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrianH035)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2763 "2016-10-17T21:30:12Z")
> [@Theodore\_Striker](#): > > At this point, I think that she not only wants to beat Trump, she wants to humiliate him and the Republican party. I refuse to believe that after all of the crap that the other side has tried to sling at her, Hillary does not have the thought of bringing the reckoning down upon the republicans or their figurehead. I don’t think there will be a let up now, I think there will be a pouring on in an attempt to not only destroy Trump, but also to influence right side voters to stay home because the cause is so lost. I’ve been wondering about this also. I’d be perfectly fine if Hillary wants to ‘run up the score’ between now and Election Day, but I could also see the option for her to say that “enough is enough” and revert to run-out-the-clock mode. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=137) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=139)