# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 139
**Author:** ![Corry\_El](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@Corry\_El](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corry_El)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2764 "2016-10-17T21:39:13Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > No, I don’t. The problem with the idea Trump’s going to create a news network that actually threatens Fox News isn’t that there isn’t a market for this stuff. It’s that the market already has the product. Why would Trump’s product be more popular - especially after he loses? Trump isn’t polling 40% of people who want a news network, they want Trump to be President. If he fails, he will be a failure to them. A yuge loser, you might say. Moreover a lot of the 40% just don’t want Hillary Clinton to be president rather than positively wanting Trump in particular, and some who even positively want Trump aren’t that interested in politics outside election time. Although, highly successful political news/infotainment programming is based on small audiences compared to the whole electorate. Limbaugh and Hannity have low teens millions weekly listeners. Fox News has ~1-2 mil average daily viewers (not an apples to apples comparison but the standard for each type of media) depending whether you count all day or prime time. Also IMHO to some extent we may be suffering a little here from left leaning group think in classifying Fox as purely a political outlet. It’s a news network that doesn’t view the world through a Manhattan liberal (‘trying to be fair and professional’) lens (albeit it’s based there, I walk by it frequently so I’m not unaware of that 🙂 ). That includes a cultural outlook, even just stuff like inviting country music and NASCAR people onto the fluff segments as opposed to The Today Show’s guests, even just a different regional emphasis in news coverage in the US. But anyway your point stands. There was a gap in the market for people annoyed by coastal liberal dominated news/infotainment. Fox filled it. What’s Fox not filling that could be even a few million viewers? In that respect of an overall news network. You can make a fortune in a more concentrated political product, talk radio, which also costs a hell of a lot less to produce aside from mega bucks paid to the radio personality if it’s successful. But is Trump going to be Limbaugh? Droning on for hours every day isn’t as easy as it looks, and Trump doesn’t actually seem to be into hard work. And anyway again the issue would remain what unique new POV the right leaning talk radio audience is pining for but not getting. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2765 "2016-10-17T22:10:29Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > John McCain is campaigning for Republicans around the country (even though he’s in a very tight reelection bid in Arizona) by[promising that a Republican majority in the Senate would block any Hillary Supreme Court nominee.](http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/10/17/mccain-just-admitted-republicans-will-block-justice-nominated-hillary/) And if republicans wanted to get rid of the tea party / trumpists this would be the last sort of thing that they ought to be proposing. They keep baiting these animals with the promise of raw meat. They ought to know by now that that’s just going to delay a civil war. If republicans were smart they would capitalize on the opportunity to make themselves look attractive again by rejecting these clowns – if they want to wait until after the election to be good citizens again I can accept that, but something tells me there will be an attempt to make good on reducing the number of supreme court justices. This only hurts them in the long run. It hurts democrats but it hurts them as well. ---
**Author:** ![Catamount](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/catamount/32/2840_2.png) [@Catamount](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catamount)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2766 "2016-10-17T22:22:24Z")
I just saw an ad on TV that made me literally fall to the floor laughing. A woman talks about the time a man attacked her with a knife, but she defended herself with a pistol. Hillary Clinton wants to take away your 2nd Amendment rights, so Donald Trump is the true defender of women. My Google-fu is weak so I can’t find a link. If any of you find it, please share it because I need to show this to everyone who needs a hearty laugh. ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2767 "2016-10-17T22:26:11Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > [A Democratic campaign HQ was attacked in NC on the same night as the Republican office was firebombed.](http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/nc-democratic-headquarters-attacked-on-same-night-nearby-gop-office-was-firebombed/) Should we wait for the Republican gofundme to help them rebuild? ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2768 "2016-10-17T22:35:33Z")
> [@Corry\_El](#): > > Moreover a lot of the 40% just don’t want Hillary Clinton to be president rather than positively wanting Trump in particular, and some who even positively want Trump aren’t that interested in politics outside election time. > > Although, highly successful political news/infotainment programming is based on small audiences compared to the whole electorate. Limbaugh and Hannity have low teens millions weekly listeners. Fox News has ~1-2 mil average daily viewers (not an apples to apples comparison but the standard for each type of media) depending whether you count all day or prime time. > > Also IMHO to some extent we may be suffering a little here from left leaning group think in classifying Fox as purely a political outlet. It’s a news network that doesn’t view the world through a Manhattan liberal (‘trying to be fair and professional’) lens (albeit it’s based there, I walk by it frequently so I’m not unaware of that 🙂 ). That includes a cultural outlook, even just stuff like inviting country music and NASCAR people onto the fluff segments as opposed to The Today Show’s guests, even just a different regional emphasis in news coverage in the US. But anyway your point stands. There was a gap in the market for people annoyed by coastal liberal dominated news/infotainment. Fox filled it. What’s Fox not filling that could be even a few million viewers? > > In that respect of an overall news network. You can make a fortune in a more concentrated political product, talk radio, which also costs a hell of a lot less to produce aside from mega bucks paid to the radio personality if it’s successful. But is Trump going to be Limbaugh? Droning on for hours every day isn’t as easy as it looks, and Trump doesn’t actually seem to be into hard work. And anyway again the issue would remain what unique new POV the right leaning talk radio audience is pining for but not getting. Right wing talk radio has seen it’s peak. The trump phenomenon is part of the same macro process too. Maybe to do with demographics, race, and our narcissism. We are raging out, burning it at both ends. Glenn Beck, and limbaugh took the rage propaganda fantasy as far as it can go without revolution. I see a pendulum swing. My prediction is that any trump media will be his next bankruptcy. His name alone is going to be mud all the way down to little kids history books. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2769 "2016-10-17T22:42:15Z")
> [@Ulfreida](#): > > Should we wait for the Republican gofundme to help them rebuild? Graffiti isn’t usually compared to firebombings. Yes, it is intimidation, but nobody ever says “Thank God a staffer wasn’t sleeping on the couch after working late when the spray cans went off!” ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2770 "2016-10-17T22:58:55Z")
[Melania Trump says](http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/17/politics/melania-trump-interview/index.html) that when The Donald bragged about sexually assaulting women, that was just “boy talk”. And he was “egged on”. That mean other guy MADE Donald say that, otherwise he would have called him chicken. So he had to talk about sexually assaulting women. It’s not his fault. So no big deal then. Just little boys playing, talking about sexually assaulting women, doing whatever they want to them. I think most Americans would prefer that a grownup was president, rather than a little boy who can be dared to brag about sexual assaults. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2771 "2016-10-17T23:08:32Z")
> [@Catamount](#): > > I just saw an ad on TV that made me literally fall to the floor laughing. A woman talks about the time a man attacked her with a knife, but she defended herself with a pistol. Hillary Clinton wants to take away your 2nd Amendment rights, so Donald Trump is the true defender of women. And isn’t that actually correct? Clinton talks about ‘[gun safety](https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/gun-violence-prevention/)’, but that’s just doubletalk for gun control. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2772 "2016-10-17T23:14:44Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > And isn’t that actually correct? Clinton talks about ‘[gun safety](https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/gun-violence-prevention/)’, but that’s just doubletalk for gun control. It is? That’s interesting. What else is “just doubletalk”? ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2773 "2016-10-17T23:19:27Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > It is? That’s interesting. What else is “just doubletalk”? equality, peace, justice, you know, all those commie plots. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2774 "2016-10-17T23:19:47Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > And isn’t that actually correct? Clinton talks about ‘[gun safety](https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/gun-violence-prevention/)’, but that’s just doubletalk for gun control. I don’t think so. I don’t remember any candidate saying, “I will abolish the 2nd Amendment”. That would be political suicide. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2775 "2016-10-17T23:24:23Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > I don’t think so. I don’t remember any candidate saying, “I will abolish the 2nd Amendment”. That would be political suicide. When Clinton says “I think I’d like a cheeseburger please”, everyone knows that is just coded language for “I’d like to grab all the guns and leave honest Americans defenceless.” ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2776 "2016-10-17T23:27:09Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > I don’t think so. I don’t remember any candidate saying, “I will abolish the 2nd Amendment”. That would be political suicide. I seem to recall Trump specifically saying that - with the implentation of ‘stop and frisk’ that they would ‘take any guns found’.- [QUOTE=[http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/trump-stop-and-frisk-only-chicago-228516#ixzz4NO7GTENx](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/trump-stop-and-frisk-only-chicago-228516#ixzz4NO7GTENx)] Trump shared his denotation of the term, first explaining that “there are different levels” to stop-and-frisk. **“Basically, they will, if they see poss… — you know, they’re proactive, and if they see a person possibly with a gun or they think may have a gun, they will see the person, and they’ll look and they’ll take the gun away,** ” Trump said. “They’ll stop, they’ll frisk, and they’ll take the gun away, and they won’t have anything to shoot with. I mean, how it’s not being used in Chicago is, to be honest with you, it’s quite unbelievable. And, you know, the police, the local police, they know who has a gun, who shouldn’t be having a gun. They understand that.” [/QUOTE] (bolding mine) ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2777 "2016-10-17T23:46:02Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > And isn’t that actually correct? Clinton talks about ‘[gun safety](https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/gun-violence-prevention/)’, but that’s just doubletalk for gun control. Yeah, I gotta say, if the worst thing that was happening this election was ads which took a candidate’s actual position, exaggerated it to an extreme, and then claimed that you’d better vote against that candidate to avoid that extreme; we’d be in VASTLY better shape as a nation than we are. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2778 "2016-10-17T23:48:21Z")
> [@simster](#): > > I seem to recall Trump specifically saying that - with the implentation of ‘stop and frisk’ that they would ‘take any guns found’.- Well, that’s OK, because Trump was clearly just talking about talking guns away from “those people” if you know what I mean. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2779 "2016-10-18T00:29:39Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > John McCain is campaigning for Republicans around the country (even though he’s in a very tight reelection bid in Arizona) by[promising that a Republican majority in the Senate would block any Hillary Supreme Court nominee.](http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/10/17/mccain-just-admitted-republicans-will-block-justice-nominated-hillary/) A few people have responded to this post without pointing out that McCain is not actually in a tight re-election bid. He’s up like 10 points. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2780 "2016-10-18T00:34:56Z")
It’s always a mistake to overthink individual polls too much but whaddup with some odd ones today? Ohio a tie in a Quinnipiac and Trump +4 per CNN/ORC? Utah basically a three-way tie in Rasmussen? Yeah I know … polls only are useful in aggregate and neither states needles have move much in 538 … but RCP’s rolling average is now Ohio +0.7 Trump. No big deal and again I would be unsurprised to see some regression the mean nationally (i.e. back towards Clinton +4) in polling before we are done, but the directionality still surprises. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2781 "2016-10-18T00:42:29Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > John McCain is campaigning for Republicans around the country (even though he’s in a very tight reelection bid in Arizona) by[promising that a Republican majority in the Senate would block any Hillary Supreme Court nominee.](http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/10/17/mccain-just-admitted-republicans-will-block-justice-nominated-hillary/) I agree with him about one thing: that’s why the Senate races are so important. ETA: wasn’t McCain the guy who said, “Elections have consequences”? ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2782 "2016-10-18T01:01:07Z")
> [@Catamount](#): > > “Vote for us and keep the gears of government fully locked! Getting things done is for losers!” > > :rolleyes: The logical result of said attitude would be a Supreme Court ten years from now with 3-4 unfilled vacancies. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2783 "2016-10-18T01:05:31Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > When Clinton says “I think I’d like a cheeseburger please”, everyone knows that is just coded language for “I’d like to grab all the guns and leave honest Americans defenceless.” FTR- I think that puts an Awful lot of pressure on WENDYs. > [@BrianH035](#): > > I’ve been wondering about this also. I’d be perfectly fine if Hillary wants to ‘run up the score’ between now and Election Day, but I could also see the option for her to say that “enough is enough” and revert to run-out-the-clock mode. I disagree and it was said before by Carville: _“When your opponent is sinking, throw him an anchor”_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=138) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=140)