# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 140
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2784 "2016-10-18T01:33:50Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > The logical result of said attitude would be a Supreme Court ten years from now with 3-4 unfilled vacancies. Isn’t the logical result an empty SC? McCain said that it was unacceptable for any president to nominate a liberal. By that logic the other party should, must, as their duty to their supporters, prevent conservatives from nomination, and we can just stop paying for an expensive supreme court. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2785 "2016-10-18T01:38:51Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > The logical result of said attitude would be a Supreme Court ten years from now with 3-4 unfilled vacancies. At which point President Sean Penn might finally get the Democratic Senate he’s been working for, hoping that Majority Leader Sarah Silverman can push through his slate of justices to reinvent the Constitution (and occasionally undertake disaster relief efforts in rented boats). ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2786 "2016-10-18T01:57:33Z")
Michael Gerson really nailed it [here.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-spirals-into-ideological-psychosis/2016/10/17/91bf4366-948d-11e6-bc79-af1cd3d2984b_story.html?utm_term=.26fdc40a3022) > [@](#): > > But history generally does not remember good political arguments. It remembers acts of conscience in the face of them. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2787 "2016-10-18T02:08:08Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > Isn’t the logical result an empty SC? > > McCain said that it was unacceptable for any president to nominate a liberal. By that logic the other party should, must, as their duty to their supporters, prevent conservatives from nomination, and we can just stop paying for an expensive supreme court. And of course, they say it wouldn’t be cricket to replace Scalia, in particular, with a liberal. But it was fine to replace Thurgood Marshall with Clarence Thomas. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2788 "2016-10-18T03:18:06Z")
> [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > FTR- I think that puts an Awful lot of pressure on WENDYs. > > I disagree and it was said before by Carville: > > _“When your opponent is sinking, throw him an anchor”_ Just to pick a nit- _“When your opponent is drowning, throw the son of a bitch an anvil”_ ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2789 "2016-10-18T03:33:12Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > That phrase usually refers to killing a person. Still might apply. > [@John\_DiFool](#): > > :smack: Did not mean to imply that at all (esp. if it obscured my actual point)… I’ve never heard it used to mean killing someone, but to indicate that someone has succeeded in getting to the next stage. The analogy is to the conductor on a train punching one’s ticket, confirming the trip. For instance: _“With last week’s win over BC, the Saskatchewan Roughriders have punched their ticket to the playoffs.”_ (Above sentence given for illustrative purposes. Bears no relationship to current CFL playoff standings, alas.) ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2790 "2016-10-18T03:39:33Z")
> [@BrianH035](#): > > I’ve been wondering about this also. I’d be perfectly fine if Hillary wants to ‘run up the score’ between now and Election Day, but I could also see the option for her to say that “enough is enough” and revert to run-out-the-clock mode. There’s an important value for her to run up the score, and that is to rebut any allegation that the election is rigged. Barely crossing 270, being carried by one or two states might feed that argument. Winning 350 votes and many states more than needed will make the talking of “rigging” impossible for all but the most committed/delusion Trumpeters to buy. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2791 "2016-10-18T03:44:29Z")
Especially if Mike Pence, Paul Ryan and other GOP bigshots are contradicting Trump even more openly by then. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2792 "2016-10-18T03:47:48Z")
She absolutely needs to run up the score. Anything close will be contested, and I don’t mean with just a midnight tweet. Voters already have it in their heads that the election is going to be stolen from them. I think the race will get tighter one final time. I don’t think Hillary will win with the landslide numbers being tossed around in the latest projections, but if she can win 4 or 5 out of 7 battleground states that would probably convince Trump surrogates to let Trump contest the election on his own. The danger is, if it’s close, it won’t be just Trump and his deplorables shouting “It’s rigged! It’s rigged!” There could be an effort by some office holders to keep fighting the good fight. ---
**Author:** ![quimper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/7c8e57/32.png) [@quimper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/quimper)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2793 "2016-10-18T03:52:14Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > And if republicans wanted to get rid of the tea party / trumpists this would be the last sort of thing that they ought to be proposing. They keep baiting these animals with the promise of raw meat. They ought to know by now that that’s just going to delay a civil war. If republicans were smart they would capitalize on the opportunity to make themselves look attractive again by rejecting these clowns – if they want to wait until after the election to be good citizens again I can accept that, but something tells me there will be an attempt to make good on reducing the number of supreme court justices. This only hurts them in the long run. It hurts democrats but it hurts them as well. 騎虎難下 “When one rides a tiger, it becomes hard to dismount.” ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2794 "2016-10-18T04:07:37Z")
Yep, don’t want to have any of the “well, she lost the popular vote” crappola. Run up the score, hopefully it will pull the Senate and bring the House closer. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2795 "2016-10-18T04:14:31Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > Yep, don’t want to have any of the “well, she lost the popular vote” crappola. Run up the score, hopefully it will pull the Senate and bring the House closer. And discourage the next populist whackadoo from running. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2796 "2016-10-18T04:19:10Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Winning 350 votes and many states more than needed will make the talking of “rigging” impossible for all but the most committed/delusion Trumpeters to buy. I wish you were right, but I think there’s more than a few of them that would take a big win for Clinton as more evidence it was rigged, not less. They’d say “But Trump had more people at his rallies than Clinton, so she must have cheated!” ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2797 "2016-10-18T04:25:00Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > And isn’t that actually correct? Clinton talks about ‘[gun safety](https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/gun-violence-prevention/)’, but that’s just doubletalk for gun control. I didn’t know you were one of the people who think that it is illegal to own guns outside the USA. You may want to check your own local laws. ---
**Author:** ![soonerblue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/soonerblue/32/3302_2.png) [@soonerblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/soonerblue)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2798 "2016-10-18T09:17:40Z")
> [@F.U.Shakespeare](#): > > Michael Gerson really nailed it [here.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-spirals-into-ideological-psychosis/2016/10/17/91bf4366-948d-11e6-bc79-af1cd3d2984b_story.html?utm_term=.26fdc40a3022) Excellent read, thank you. Sent from my old-as-dirt barn computer using a browser supplied by AOL … (Just kidding, iPhoners) ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2799 "2016-10-18T09:23:46Z")
“Quid pro quo” > **[FBI and State Department say there was no quid pro quo on Clinton email](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fbi-state-department-say-no-quid-pro-quo-clinton-email-n667926)** > > The document focuses attention on talks about which parts of Clinton's emails should have been be marked classified before release to the public. This story seems to be bubbling up the last 24 hours. Looks like Trump’s negative news cycle might be coming to an end for a few days and Clinton might again be on the defensive. Ironically, it was an FBI FOIA dump, not Wikileaks, that did it. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 9:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2800 "2016-10-18T09:49:12Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > I didn’t know you were one of the people who think that it is illegal to own guns outside the USA. You may want to check your own local laws. **Quartz** is (AFAIK) in the UK so, with very few exceptions, it _is_ illegal to own guns where he lives. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2801 "2016-10-18T10:51:17Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > “Quid pro quo” > > [FBI, State Department Say No Quid Pro Quo on Clinton Email](http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fbi-state-department-say-no-quid-pro-quo-clinton-email-n667926) > > This story seems to be bubbling up the last 24 hours. Looks like Trump’s negative news cycle might be coming to an end for a few days and Clinton might again be on the defensive. Ironically, it was an FBI FOIA dump, not Wikileaks, that did it. Yeah, I’m trying to figure out how bad this one is going to be. There ended up being neither quid nor quo, which makes this like so many other Clinton “scandals.” Also, if I understand correctly, the request was made before the scandal had really unrolled. The request shouldn’t have been made. But I’m unconvinced there’s fire there. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2802 "2016-10-18T11:16:45Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Yeah, I’m trying to figure out how bad this one is going to be. There ended up being neither quid nor quo, which makes this like so many other Clinton “scandals.” Also, if I understand correctly, the request was made before the scandal had really unrolled. > > The request shouldn’t have been made. But I’m unconvinced there’s fire there. That’s how I read it – a nothing burger story in reality. For one thing the FBI itself released the documents without any apparent controversy to the media, so I’m guessing they probably thought it was relatively innocuous stuff. Moreover, this is probably how a lot of inter-agency classification is done anyway. But in our current climate of “news” media reality, various outlets are competing to sensationalize anything that even remotely passes the “This might be a scandal” sniff test. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2803 "2016-10-18T11:22:24Z")
If there’s a negative Clinton story in the news, I predict another Trump-related bombshell will be dropped shortly to, er, trump it. You _know_ the Clinton campaign has binders full of [del]women[/del] scandals ready to go. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=139) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=141)