# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 145
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2884 "2016-10-18T19:18:23Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Melania always appears very stoned. She’s usually so stoned she shows no emotions whatsoever. My personal theory is that it’s how she gets through her hellish existence. Money only compensates for so much. Prescription pharmaceuticals. With the right doctor she never has to give a shit about anything at all, and it’s all legal! And one thing I do have to give Trump some props for is showing up for the debates as I was sure he was going to make impossible demands to justify not showing up. After the beating he got in the last two, showing up to this one either shows extreme courage or extreme stupidity, not sure which 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2885 "2016-10-18T19:21:45Z")
> [@leftfield6](#): > > Trump supporter does not fact check, gets facts all wrong. > > Lashes out at “the media” and “librul hypocrisy!” like they are the ones who caused this. > > Whines that everyone is picking on Trump, poor little thing. > :rolleyes: > > Good grief, grow the fuck up and be a responsible and informed participant in the discussion. Or not. Maybe that’s a choice too. That’ll earn you a warning, leftfield. Under no circumstances can you insult other posters like this. Please don’t do it again. ---
**Author:** ![quimper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/7c8e57/32.png) [@quimper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/quimper)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2886 "2016-10-18T19:22:55Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > One expects more of a presidential candidate than one does of an animal. But you’re the one who made the comparison, not me. > > He’s been lashing out since the beginning of the campaign. And with his claims that the election is rigged even before the vote he’s seeking to undermine the legitimacy of the democratic process. This is not “just show,” it’s profoundly dangerous. I would say at this point it’s verging on seditious. That’s a pretty serious charge. [QUOTE=Wiki] If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. > **[Seditious conspiracy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seditious_conspiracy)** > > Seditious conspiracy is a crime in various jurisdictions of conspiring against the authority or legitimacy of the state. As a form of sedition, it has been described as a serious but lesser counterpart to treason, targeting activities that undermine the state without directly attacking it. > In common law jurisdictions, seditious conspiracy is an agreement by two or more persons to do any act with the intention to excite hatred or contempt against the persons or institutions of state, to excite t... [/QUOTE] And seditious conspiracy is pretty nebulously defined. Maybe fruitful to watch the Trump watchers watching the poll… watchers. or will it devolve into watchers all the way down? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2887 "2016-10-18T19:23:11Z")
Been thinking about it, and I have come to the conclusion that Trump pacing around and looming behind Hillary wasn’t about intimidation. It was about _attention_, the old actors trick of “upstaging” the other actor to draw attention from them. Attention is his heroin, his addiction, its why he thinks rallies are a really big deal, that’s where he gets his fix. So that’s why. The attention energy is on her, and he wants it, craves it, and the closer he is to her, the more of it he gets to steal. Probably doesn’t even know he’s doing it. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2888 "2016-10-18T19:26:21Z")
I just heard a part of a Trump campaign rally in Colorado. Trump was haranguing the press for not widely reporting a story that confirms that the DNC paid protestors to attend a Trump rally (although, he said, it’s all over the internet). I googled to figure out what he was talking about, and found [this](http://abcnews.com.co/donald-trump-protester-speaks-out-i-was-paid-to-protest/) story: [[QUOTE=abcnews.com.co](http://QUOTE=abcnews.com.co)] “I was given $3,500 to protest Donald Trump’s rally in Fountain Hills,” said 37-year-old Paul Horner. “I answered a Craigslist ad about a group needing actors for a political event. I interviewed with them and got the part.” [/QUOTE] I had to re-read when I got to this, paragraph, though > [@](#): > > “I knew those weren’t real protesters, they were too organized and smart,” said 59-year-old Tom Downey, a Trump supporter who attended the rally in Fountain Hills. “I knew there was something up when they started shouting all these facts and nonsense like that. The best we could do was just yell and punch em’ and stuff.” Downey continued, “I think we did a good job though. I was shouting at them the whole time, calling them losers, telling them to get a job or go back home to mommy’s house; I got a bunch of high-fives from my fellow Trump supporters. It was a great time.” And, sure enough, "abc news dot com dot “co” is a parody news site. It didn’t stop Trump’s [son](http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/300742-trumps-son-tweets-fake-news-story-about-paid-protesters) from tweeting about it (“the truth comes out!”), though. And it didn’t stop Fat Donald from alluding to it in his speech moments ago. On preview, he may have been talking instead about [video](http://www.independentsentinel.com/project-veritas-video-ii-theyve-been-rigging-elections-for-fifty-years-and-they-wont-stop-now/) uncovered discussing corruption by DNC operatives! Do any of you remember the dude in the pimp outfit who made fake videos to undermine ACORN and other political organizations? This [guy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_O%27Keefe) again. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2889 "2016-10-18T19:27:36Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > First step- changing her husband’s twitter password. No! Then he might sign up here! ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2890 "2016-10-18T19:37:27Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Video of CNN interview here](http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/10/17/melania-trump-allegations-response-anderson-cooper-intv-ac.cnn). > > Is it just me, or does Melania appear to be very stoned in that interview? I think it is just her ‘model’ face - that’s the look she has been trained to do in public, such that it is natural to her now. Or, she’s stoned to the gills to deal with her husband - either one works for me. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2891 "2016-10-18T19:43:49Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > [Astrologers predict a Hillary Clinton victory is in the stars.](http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-astrology-election-20161018-snap-story.html) Well, I guess that’s that. OK, but is it on Planet Earth? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2892 "2016-10-18T19:44:58Z")
I’d be perfectly satisfied if it were within the United States. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2893 "2016-10-18T19:45:00Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > I think it is just her ‘model’ face - that’s the look she has been trained to do in public, such that it is natural to her now. > > Or, she’s stoned to the gills to deal with her husband - either one works for me. I understand she calls that look “Blue Steel”. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2894 "2016-10-18T19:46:45Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > By now one would expect people would have figured that it is very unlikely that he will gloriously immolate before our eyes during a debate. It’s going to be slow painful agony for three weeks and I’m dreading it. I would have considered it unlikely that Trump would call Hillary the devil or threaten to throw her in jail during a debate, but he did exactly that. I guess the standards for considering something an immolation have gone down too… ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2895 "2016-10-18T19:59:23Z")
> [@quimper](#): > > That’s a pretty serious charge. > > And seditious conspiracy is pretty nebulously defined. Maybe fruitful to watch the Trump watchers watching the poll… watchers. > > or will it devolve into watchers all the way down? [Hey, if the District Attorney in North Dakota can charge a reporter with inciting to riot for \*reporting \*about disruptions at the protest site …](http://crcconnection.com/2016/10/18/judge-tosses-reporter-amy-goodmans-riot-charge-for-covering.html) ---
**Author:** ![Anny\_Middon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2896 "2016-10-18T20:22:55Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Prescription pharmaceuticals. With the right doctor she never has to give a shit about anything at all, and it’s all legal! And one thing I do have to give Trump some props for is showing up for the debates as I was sure he was going to make impossible demands to justify not showing up. > > After the beating he got in the last two, showing up to this one either shows extreme courage or extreme stupidity, not sure which 😃 Nah, I think it’s the third choice – extreme egotism. He thinks he won the first two debates. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2897 "2016-10-18T20:29:06Z")
> [@Anny\_Middon](#): > > Nah, I think it’s the third choice – extreme egotism. He thinks he won the first two debates. He does. He literally says so on Twitter, and points to call in and log in polls like Breitbart to prove it. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2898 "2016-10-18T20:39:31Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Been thinking about it, and I have come to the conclusion that Trump pacing around and looming behind Hillary wasn’t about intimidation. It was about _attention_, the old actors trick of “upstaging” the other actor to draw attention from them. … Yes, I thought so at the time and still think so. If you look at the video at moments when she’s talking and he’s sidling up behind her, you can see him taking sidelong glances at the camera to confirm that it’s showing the red light (or whatever they use these days to indicate which camera’s feed is going out live, in a multi-camera setup). He’d have been pleased at the thought he was intimidating her, but that wasn’t his primary goal; being on-camera _was_. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2899 "2016-10-18T20:46:30Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > The constant battering of Trump is getting to me. It’s just piling on. Kicking a guy that’s down. Yeah, it’s funny how you can never hear anything good about that David Duke fella, neither… Seriously, what do you expect? Trump is a _terrible person_. If that was all there was to it, if he was just my racist jerk uncle, then I could understand letting up on him. But he’s not. He’s _running for president_. This deplorable, racist, sexist, narcissistic _douchebag_ is _running for president_. And in the process, he’s not just making a complete mockery of America to the rest of the world and showing off our absolute worst qualities to our allies and enemies, but as an added bonus he’s doing everything he can to undermine to basic norms and guardrails of democracy. America is absolutely, _indisputably_ a worse place because of Trump’s words and deeds, and as he ramps up his dangerous, violent rhetoric, he’s showing no signs that he gives even the slightest bit of a shit about any of the things he’s throwing under the bus in an attempt to soothe his pathetic ego. Trump deserves ever bit of drubbing he gets. If he gets placed into a live re-enactment of one of the SAW movies, _then_ I will consider saying that he’s “had enough” and that we should stop “kicking him while he’s down”. ---
**Author:** ![Norse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Norse)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2900 "2016-10-18T20:48:15Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > OK, but is it on Planet Earth? And what would it be on Rupert? ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2901 "2016-10-18T21:26:48Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Yes, I thought so at the time and still think so. If you look at the video at moments when she’s talking and he’s sidling up behind her, you can see him taking sidelong glances at the camera to confirm that it’s showing the red light (or whatever they use these days to indicate which camera’s feed is going out live, in a multi-camera setup). It’s called a “tally light”, and it’s still standard. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2902 "2016-10-18T21:28:13Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > It’s called a “tally light”, and it’s still standard. “Tally light”–good to know. (You can bet that Trump is an expert at spotting them.) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2903 "2016-10-18T21:32:22Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > That’s terrible and disgraceful. > > I fully support free expression in written word, music and art. > > I appreciated the satire in the Trump and Hillary statues. Art is intended to start a dialogue. Obviously these statues did. I’d be interested in seeing the Hillary statue in its entirety (or at least a derailed description). What I saw of hers seemed like it was making a far more explicit political statement than the Trump statue. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=144) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=146)