# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 150
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2984 "2016-10-19T18:48:02Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > So, even knowing exactly how Clinton responded, that was the best they could do? Just read the whole thing. He has NO answers for anything. And it doesn’t appear that Trumpy OR his campaign staff understood that the questions were for the candidates, not for representatives. “Mr. Trump” this and “Mr. Trump” that. And still there’s millions of votes going in favor of this shit. EMWIGMT. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2985 "2016-10-19T18:51:48Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > I actually thought [this was satire](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/18/opinion/your-questions-for-the-candidates-answered.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region®ion=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region), but the NY Times asked both campaigns several questions and printed the response. The responses are, um, telling. To paraphrase, Clinton answers each question with an answer to the question. Trump answers each question by saying Clinton and/or Obama is terrible. I like Trump’s first answer: If we were willing to pollute the fuck out of our country we could bring our manufacturing costs down low enough to compete with China and Mexico. Yay, Trump has a plan! ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2986 "2016-10-19T19:01:12Z")
> [@Jennshark](#): > > . . . and don’t even bring up the Great Jarts Massacre of '82! > > I heard a guy on NPR Monday night (sorry, his name and affiliation escapes me) who is a staunch anti-Trumpador, but had some nice things to say about Conway. He cited her as a smart campaigner who has confided in some folks about Trump being a total trainwreck. I certainly don’t care for her as a woman (and human) who signed on and is working for such a d\*bag, but it sparked my curiosity about her – has anyone found a level-handed article about her? Try this: > **[Meet the N.J. native who's running Donald Trump's campaign](https://www.nj.com/politics/2016/09/meet_the_nj_native_whos_running_donald_trumps_camp.html)** > > Experts say Kellyanne Conway has helped revive Trump's bid for the White House. And her journey started three decades ago on a south Jersey's blueberry farm. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2987 "2016-10-19T19:24:08Z")
Wasn’t Ms Conway foisted on the Trump campaign by the GOP backer Robert Mercer and his daughter Rebekah? That article makes it sound like hiring Ms Conway for women’s outreach was entirely el Trumpo’s idea. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2988 "2016-10-19T19:32:07Z")
> [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](#): > > Wasn’t Ms Conway foisted on the Trump campaign by the GOP backer Robert Mercer and his daughter Rebekah? That article makes it sound like hiring Ms Conway for women’s outreach was entirely el Trumpo’s idea. No it doesn’t. It’s entirely about her background and that she was a good hire. ---
**Author:** ![Lok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@Lok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lok)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2989 "2016-10-19T19:32:28Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > At last, he’s gotten a newspaper endorsement! That makes…one, IIRC. Rachel Maddow has been keeping track. He actually has 3 endorsements from daily newspapers. [The first two were over the weekend.](http://www.mediaite.com/online/donald-trump-receives-first-two-daily-newspaper-endorsements/) [QUOTE=Mediaite] The Santa Barbara News-Press of Santa Barbara, Ca., and the St. Joseph News-Press of St. Joseph, Mo. have declared on their editorial pages that they endorse Donald Trump for President. [/QUOTE] The third was a tiny Texas daily yesterday that doesn’t even show up on a Google search. So still no major papers. ---
**Author:** ![Jennshark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Jennshark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jennshark)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2990 "2016-10-19T19:35:00Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Try this: > > [Meet the N.J. native who's running Donald Trump's campaign - nj.com](http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/09/meet_the_nj_native_whos_running_donald_trumps_camp.html) Hmmm . . . Trump is “the cream who rises to the top” :dubious: She is more accomplished and educated than I assumed, thanks for the link. (And now I’m craving blueberries). ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2991 "2016-10-19T19:45:38Z")
[Ailes and Trump, no longer speaking](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-ailes-no-longer-speaking). > [@](#): > > Donald Trump has reportedly lost a key ally in former Fox News CEO Roger Ailes, who decided that advising the GOP presidential nominee was “a waste of time,” according to a Wednesday report. > > Ailes and Trump fell out after the former Fox boss learned “that Trump couldn’t focus—surprise, surprise,” New York Magazine editor Gabriel Sherman told attendees at the Vanity Fair New Establishment Summit, according to a report by Vanity Fair. “These debate prep sessions weren’t going anywhere.” ---
**Author:** ![Jennshark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Jennshark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jennshark)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2992 "2016-10-19T19:51:47Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > [Ailes and Trump, no longer speaking](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-ailes-no-longer-speaking). So is this a major wrench in the works for launching the “Angry White Supremacist” cable channel? Wow, Ailes sure looks like an overgrown toddler in that pic! ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2993 "2016-10-19T19:55:43Z")
I can’t wait for the Tweet-storm about how Roger Ailes is a loser. It’s a win-win for everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2994 "2016-10-19T19:58:24Z")
> [@Jennshark](#): > > Hmmm . . . Trump is “the cream who rises to the top” :dubious: As they say, cream isn’t the only thing that rises to the top. **The Law of the Septic Tank** : The biggest turds float highest. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2995 "2016-10-19T20:00:36Z")
[Trump: “We will have to leave borders behind and go for global unity when it comes to financial stability.”](http://edition.cnn.com/2013/01/22/business/opinion-donald-trump-europe/) Choice quotes from this CNN op-ed “penned” by Trump back in 2013: > [@](#): > > "Editor’s note: Donald Trump is an American entrepreneur and one of the world’s foremost investors. He is the Chairman and President of The Trump Organization. In this article, Trump discusses solutions to the global financial crisis and Europe as an investment opportunity. > > "“Europe is a tapestry that is dense, colorful and deserving of continued longevity and prosperity.” > > “Our challenge is to acknowledge those pieces and to see how they can form a whole that works together well without losing any cultural flavor in the process. It’s a combination of preservation along with forward thinking.” > > “The future of Europe, as well as the United States, depends on a cohesive global economy. All of us must work toward together toward that very significant common goal.” NO, I am not making this up! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2996 "2016-10-19T20:06:52Z")
[Even more trouble with Trump Foundation filings with the NY AG](http://www.citizensforethics.org/press-release/trump-foundations-got-problems-taxes/) > [@](#): > > Things get worse for the Trump Foundation in documents they turned over to the NY AG. They have maintained since March that Trump staff (most likely Trump Organization staff, as the Foundation does not appear to employ anyone) looked up Bondi’s group, And Justice For All, in a book of charities—IRS Publication 78—and saw a Utah-based group with that name, and assumed the check was supposed to go to there (though they then claimed the money had gone to a separate Kansas group on their taxes). However, in June 2011, two years before Bondi solicited Trump, the IRS announced that foundations could “no longer rely on the paper version of Publication 78.” Amazingly, the version they told the NY AG they used is dated September 30, 2007, meaning they only considered charities that existed in 2007, and may have continued to do so up until 2016 [p. 29]. > > “We’re past the point where a reasonable person could believe this is just a never-ending series of once in a lifetime errors,” said CREW Communications Director Jordan Libowitz. “This may not be anything nefarious, but if it isn’t, that would mean that the Trump operation is completely inept when it comes to running the Trump Foundation.” Link to filings: [http://s3.amazonaws.com/storage.citizensforethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/19150013/160645-Responsive-Docs-pgs-1-57.pdf](http://s3.amazonaws.com/storage.citizensforethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/19150013/160645-Responsive-Docs-pgs-1-57.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2997 "2016-10-19T20:11:05Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > I also notice that Clinton’s answers are in the first person (“I’ll do this”, “I believe that”) whereas Trump’s are all in the third person (“Trump thinks Clinton is terrible”). > > Really, the Trump campaign answers all read as though they were doing homework on the bus on the way to school. That is exactly my impression. Those were just half-assedly banged out. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2998 "2016-10-19T20:18:31Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > [Even more trouble with Trump Foundation filings with the NY AG](http://www.citizensforethics.org/press-release/trump-foundations-got-problems-taxes/) > > Link to filings: [http://s3.amazonaws.com/storage.citizensforethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/19150013/160645-Responsive-Docs-pgs-1-57.pdf](http://s3.amazonaws.com/storage.citizensforethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/19150013/160645-Responsive-Docs-pgs-1-57.pdf) > [@](#): > > “This may not be anything nefarious, but if it isn’t, that would mean that the Trump operation is completely inept when it comes to running the Trump Foundation.” Quite honestly, this explanation would not surprise me in the least. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/2999 "2016-10-19T20:25:30Z")
Why can’t it be both nefarious _and_ inept? > [@Locrian](#): > > …EMWIGMT. Can’t find this defined anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3000 "2016-10-19T20:26:37Z")
Here’s CNN’s latest Electoral College projection. Utah is a battleground state now. Jeezopete, _Utah_!: [http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/19/politics/road-to-270-electoral-college-map-5-october/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/19/politics/road-to-270-electoral-college-map-5-october/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3001 "2016-10-19T20:42:36Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Why can’t it be both nefarious _and_ inept? > Can’t find this defined anywhere. I think I got it from Uncle Cecil. Excuse Me While I Grind My Teeth 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3002 "2016-10-19T20:56:07Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Posted again because it’s just so good - Conway on her day off: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjbc15X1zSM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjbc15X1zSM) I laughed my ass off a week ago or so when that was on SNL. She nails KAC even better than she nails HRC. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3003 "2016-10-19T20:56:17Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Third-person singular references are a sure sign of megalomania in a candidate. > … Agree completely that Trump’s a raging megalomaniac. OED ought to update their next edition to put his pic right there next to the definition. IIRC Bob Dole had a similar penchant. He’d say stuff like (totally made up example): “People ask Bob Dole what he thinks about interest rates. Bob Dole thinks they’re too high.” I never thought of him as a megalomaniac. An old and tired mainstream conservative? Sure. A classic public servant in standard mold of the 1960s-1990s? Sure. Megalomaniac? Never. FYI, wiki surprises me by saying Bob Dole is yet alive at age 93. I’d thought he’d departed for the filibuster eternal some years ago. Assuming he’s still got his marbles, I wonder what he thinks of this year’s shenanigans. He’s appalled I’m sure. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=149) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=151)