# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 153
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3044 "2016-10-20T06:21:17Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > He put a live stream on Facebook is all I’ve read. That’s not really a launch. It definitely doesn’t have anyone on television backing it yet. Television is dying. He might go for television, because his ego runs his whole show without any interference from those pesky voices of rationality most of us have, but if FOX can’t even get FOX Business News in the black these days, an upstart who is definitionally abrasive and self-limiting in terms of audience will stand even less of a chance. This is only somewhat to do with the quality of TV programming. The fact is, essentially nothing on TV has to be consumed at a specific time to be relevant. (That’s the definition of “appointment programming”: Stuff which is only on at a specific time, so you have to block off your own time to see it.) The only exceptions are sports and disaster alerts, and I might even be wrong about sports. That means on-demand streaming services have it all over appointment programming, and that’s never going to change, regardless of how good the appointment programming is. [_The Atlantic_ has a good piece about Trump TV.](http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/10/donald-j-trumps-television-future/504500/) Their conclusion: > [@](#): > > But if there is a theme to Trump’s portfolio of eponymous projects, from his steaks and neckties to his university, it is that he has no problem licensing his name to products without bothering to ensure their quality. If Trump loses the election but appears to keep his audience, he may be tantalized to pursue a lazier option—for example, to license his face and surname to a Breitbart feature that also sells his merchandise. After all, for a real-estate mogul and defeated presidential candidate to reinvent himself as a network mastermind would require Trump to pull off one of the most successful post-defeat reinventions since, well, this guy. [Al Gore] And if there’s one thing America has learned about Trump in the last six months, it’s that he’s not gifted at pivoting. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3045 "2016-10-20T06:32:32Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Why can’t it be both nefarious _and_ inept? So you’re saying that Trump is really Dr Doofenschmirtz? ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3046 "2016-10-20T08:10:24Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > So you’re saying that Trump is really Dr Doofenschmirtz? He’ll rue the day he invented the gropeinator. Or he’ll conclude that it must be Agent P’s fault. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3047 "2016-10-20T10:15:45Z")
PaddyPower betting market has started paying out on the Clinton to win tickets - [https://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/its-a-done-deal-irish-bookie-paddy-power-already-paying-out-more-than-1-million-on-bets-clinton-would-win/](https://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/its-a-done-deal-irish-bookie-paddy-power-already-paying-out-more-than-1-million-on-bets-clinton-would-win/) ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3048 "2016-10-20T10:16:49Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > That’s why I hope the National press doesn’t give Trump a pulpit to rip this country down. They have to be responsible and decide when he should be ignored. The people to whom refusal to concede would be a wink-nudge to engage in lone-wolf terrorism\* would be getting the winks and nudges directly from his Twitter feed and local Rush-wannabe talk radio hosts and whatnot, not the major national media. \*Why do the Republicans refuse to call it by its name? It cannot be defeated unless it is called by its True Name[tm], as they incessantly tell us. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3049 "2016-10-20T11:42:53Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > The 3rd debate is over and although I know that this thread is populated by people intensely interested in politics, I feel certain that [this story](https://munchies.vice.com/en/articles/scenes-from-an-anti-trump-pro-taco-protest-in-las-vegas) has not gotten the attention it deserves. I like [these guys](https://munchies.vice.com/en/articles/this-mexican-brewery-tricked-donald-trump-supporters-into-funding-a-fiesta)’ marketing ideas. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3050 "2016-10-20T11:45:30Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > So you’re saying that Trump is really Dr Doofenschmirtz? At least Vanessa Doofenschmirtz is embarrassed by her father’s antics. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3051 "2016-10-20T11:52:29Z")
I wonder if Trump is setting a trap for Democrats on the “election is rigged” issue. Say Trump wins even though polls show Clinton 6 points ahead. Does Clinton just gracefully concede, or does she refuse to recognize the legitimacy of the results right away? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3052 "2016-10-20T11:58:24Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I wonder if Trump is setting a trap for Democrats on the “election is rigged” issue. Say Trump wins even though polls show Clinton 6 points ahead. Does Clinton just gracefully concede, or does she refuse to recognize the legitimacy of the results right away? Oh come on… what reason could anyone have to believe that Trump plans his idiocy ahead like this? Josh Marshall’s “Trump’s razor” is the best explanation – everything Trump has done or said is best explained by the stupidest possibility. In this case, and in many others, it’s that Trump is undisciplined, uncontrollable, says whatever he feels at that moment regardless of truth or campaign plan, and has no sense of honor, dignity, decency, or patriotism. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3053 "2016-10-20T12:02:50Z")
True, but nevertheless I wonder if Clinton and other Democrats might start yelling “Russia!” should a surprise result emerge. They’ve pretty much ruled out that such conspiratorial talk is remotely acceptable. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3054 "2016-10-20T12:19:35Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > True, but nevertheless I wonder if Clinton and other Democrats might start yelling “Russia!” should a surprise result emerge. They’ve pretty much ruled out that such conspiratorial talk is remotely acceptable. I’d say there’s a substantial difference between “I’m behind by a ton in all the polls, but if I lose, it’s obviously because everyone cheated at every level” and “I’m ahead by degrees not seen since Reagan, the exit polls show me way ahead as well, every secular indication is that I _should_ win by a landslide, but for some reason that didn’t happen.” At this point, given what we know, Clinton losing is an extremely bizarre and erratic result, and Trump losing is entirely realistic. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3055 "2016-10-20T12:19:45Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I wonder if Trump is setting a trap for Democrats on the “election is rigged” issue. Say Trump wins even though polls show Clinton 6 points ahead. Does Clinton just gracefully concede, or does she refuse to recognize the legitimacy of the results right away? That’s the stupidest fucking “trap” I’ve ever heard of. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3056 "2016-10-20T12:19:52Z")
Let him not concede, he doesn’t have to. As to media coverage, I say just make it clear you will _not park a shot of an empty stage with “TRUMP” displayed onscreen_ all night but will _only cut to his location when he is actually at the mic, speaking_; and that if someone else started their victory or concession speech before he does, you will _ **not** _ cut away because there’s signs of him. Besides for many of the MSM it may become a safety concern for their reporters to be at a Trump event if things are going badly. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3057 "2016-10-20T12:26:08Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Or his kids won’t have a major corporation to inherit. they already do not have that. the trump organization is not really a major corporation outside of the blustering of Trump. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3058 "2016-10-20T12:30:52Z")
The latest poll has Evan McMullin winning Utah. (In case you care, his running mate is someone named Mindy Finn.) He’s still a longshot but it would actually be pretty cool if he won the state. They’d have to decide on a color for him. I went to his website and unfortunately he uses no dominant colors other than red, white and blue, and red and blue are taken. I guess the Green Party has green. (The “About Evan and Mindy” photo of the two looks like a bad holiday photo, complete with the top of McMullin’s head being out of the frame and it kind of looking like Finn herself took the shot with her phone.) Also on McMullin’s page is a donation button that says “Chip in $15.” I like the guy and I hope we wins Utah, since that won’t affect Clinton’s chances and he’ll be famous for it. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3059 "2016-10-20T12:31:54Z")
I haven’t seen a discussion here, but Dan “Santorum” Savage has finally decided on a sex act to use the Trump name for: The Trump Talk. This is the talk that parents of girls need to have at some point with their daughters, about how some men will treat them like objects and not like people; that if they’re grabbed or groped or otherwise assaulted, it’s not the girl’s fault, she did nothing to make it happen, it’s entirely the fault of the attacker, and she should speak up. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3060 "2016-10-20T12:35:04Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > they already do not have that. the trump organization is not really a major corporation outside of the blustering of Trump. It’s a big enough organization that they could sell it and be rich the rest of their lives. I guess it depends what you mean by “major.” The company is easily worth two billion dollars; whatever his failings, Trump has amassed a lot of assets and has a lot of equity in them. His Manhattan properties alone are worth a fortune. But in the grand scheme of things, no, it’s not a HUGE company. It isn’t one of the thousand largest businesses in America. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3061 "2016-10-20T12:40:56Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > That’s the stupidest fucking “trap” I’ve ever heard of. I should clarify, I’m not commenting on you, **adaher**. I meant that if that’s what the Trump team intends in any way, they are even bigger idiots than they have already proven themselves to be. And that saying a lot for the worst-run presidential campaign ever: no money, a terrible candidate, no strategy, picking fights with allies, and maybe even coming up with stupid traps that remind me of David Bossie’s history of mental illness and insane conspiracies. (For example, when Bossie was on the Whitewater investigation committee, he reportedly directed staffers to receive firearms self-defense training in case the Clintons sent hitmen to take out congressional staffers the way that they took out Vince Foster.) ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3062 "2016-10-20T12:42:06Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > At least Vanessa Doofenschmirtz is embarrassed by her father’s antics. Yeah, but sometimes [a strange set of circumstances](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDtzUymj3Ic) can change her mind. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3063 "2016-10-20T12:42:07Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Mindy Finn What is that, some GHB in a Cosmo? > [@](#): > > I went to his website and unfortunately he uses no dominant colors other than red, white and blue, and red and blue are taken. Well, he’s there to win an election and deny Trump Utah, and the Clinton team pretty much has the election sewn up. I have no idea how much bubble gum he’s got. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=152) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=154)