# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 154
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3064 "2016-10-20T12:44:13Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > PaddyPower betting market has started paying out on the Clinton to win tickets - > > [https://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/its-a-done-deal-irish-bookie-paddy-power-already-paying-out-more-than-1-million-on-bets-clinton-would-win/](https://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/its-a-done-deal-irish-bookie-paddy-power-already-paying-out-more-than-1-million-on-bets-clinton-would-win/) “Girl, the dress is in the bag…!” - Spanky McFarland ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3065 "2016-10-20T12:46:30Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > Well, he’s there to win an election and deny Trump Utah, and the Clinton team pretty much has the election sewn up. > > I have no idea how much bubble gum he’s got. Bravo BTW you could color Utah a sort of beige/orange if that were needed. Or maybe pale pink. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3066 "2016-10-20T12:50:24Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Bravo > BTW you could color Utah a sort of beige/orange if that were needed. Or maybe pale pink. I like orange: it really goes with the Desert West location of his base. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3067 "2016-10-20T12:54:00Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > I’d say there’s a substantial difference between “I’m behind by a ton in all the polls, but if I lose, it’s obviously because everyone cheated at every level” and “I’m ahead by degrees not seen since Reagan, the exit polls show me way ahead as well, every secular indication is that I _should_ win by a landslide, but for some reason that didn’t happen.” At this point, given what we know, Clinton losing is an extremely bizarre and erratic result, and Trump losing is entirely realistic. There’s an even more important distinction that’s being glossed over. If an elections official comes forward and says, “60% of black voters who attempted to vote in our district were unable to do so because their names were not on the rolls, whereas these names appeared on test rolls printed out in early October,” or, “Our system detected an intrusion at 8:23 pm on November 8, and we can find no record of any votes in our district prior to 8:23 pm,” or, “Our district shows that 100% of votes were cast for Clinton, despite earlier records showing that 43% of our voters registered as Republican,” then yeah, it’s totally legitimate for the election to be disputed, **headed up by the officials responsible**. What’s not legitimate is for a candidate, with no evidence except for a general feeling that he’s a winner, to dispute the election publicly. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3068 "2016-10-20T13:06:16Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I haven’t seen a discussion here, but Dan “Santorum” Savage has finally decided on a sex act to use the Trump name for: > > The Trump Talk. > > This is the talk that parents of girls need to have at some point with their daughters, about how some men will treat them like objects and not like people; that if they’re grabbed or groped or otherwise assaulted, it’s not the girl’s fault, she did nothing to make it happen, it’s entirely the fault of the attacker, and she should speak up. Niiice. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3069 "2016-10-20T13:42:16Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Is this a joke? If so, it is subtler than the other one upthread about some kind of insanely advanced approximation technique. I’ve started a thread about mental math tricks [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19715590](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19715590) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3070 "2016-10-20T14:04:14Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > …Trump better focus on salvaging The Trump brand. Or his kids won’t have a major corporation to inherit. Well, it’s obviously a step up from running for President: [http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/20/politics/donald-trump-junior-running-step-down/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/20/politics/donald-trump-junior-running-step-down/index.html) > [@Ludovic](#): > > I like orange: it really goes with the Desert West location of his base. I don’t think so. You know what else is orange this year? Of course you do. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3071 "2016-10-20T14:09:09Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > He’s dead, Jim. Rung down the curtain, joined the Choir Invisible. This is an ex-puppet. It has ceased to be. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3072 "2016-10-20T14:47:33Z")
He’s not dead, he’s campaigning. Check out #TrumpBookReport: [#TrumpBookReport trends after debate as people imagine Donald Trump's response to literature](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/20/trumpbookreport-trends-after-debate-as-people-imagine-donald-tru/) ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3073 "2016-10-20T15:03:35Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Oh come on… what reason could anyone have to believe that Trump plans his idiocy ahead like this? Josh Marshall’s “Trump’s razor” is the best explanation – everything Trump has done or said is best explained by the stupidest possibility. In this case, and in many others, it’s that Trump is undisciplined, uncontrollable, says whatever he feels at that moment regardless of truth or campaign plan, and has no sense of honor, dignity, decency, or patriotism. You’re the puppet. You’re the puppet. [http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161020/df4244b58ad298d7f75e911a00da2a04.png](http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161020/df4244b58ad298d7f75e911a00da2a04.png) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![squidfood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a87d85/32.png) [@squidfood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squidfood)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3074 "2016-10-20T16:36:23Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > This is the talk that parents of girls need to have at some point with their daughters, about how some men will treat them like objects and not like people; that if they’re grabbed or groped or otherwise assaulted, it’s not the girl’s fault, she did nothing to make it happen, it’s entirely the fault of the attacker, and she should speak up. Utterly utterly appropriate, as my pre-teen daughter was required to watch debate #2 for her social studies class, and she asked questions about key bits, which led to me wife and I giving her the Trump Talk. Not what we expected or wanted, but it ended up being something that “made her angry, then stronger.” ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3075 "2016-10-20T16:46:25Z")
Speaking of which, [another woman comes forward](https://www.google.com/amp/www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/amp/karena-virginia-becomes-tenth-woman-accuse-trump-sexual-misconduct-n670146?client=safari). Wrenching. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3076 "2016-10-20T16:50:59Z")
whats this about Hillary getting questions ahead of time for a debate? (just watched 8 minutes of Trumps ‘Will accept if I win’ rally in Ohio - he went on and on about that). ---
**Author:** ![Anny\_Middon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3077 "2016-10-20T17:15:53Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > The latest poll has Evan McMullin winning Utah. (In case you care, his running mate is someone named Mindy Finn.) He’s still a longshot but it would actually be pretty cool if he won the state. They’d have to decide on a color for him. FWIW 538 is using a purple shade for him. ---
**Author:** ![Anny\_Middon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3078 "2016-10-20T17:22:40Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > The media is going nuts over Trump refusing to endorse the election results. Who gives a fuck what Trump says post election? > > Isn’t conceding to the winner a courtesy? Basic decorum and etiquette? The results aren’t dependant on the loser actually conceding, are they? > > I’m assuming a big victory for Hillary. If we have another close election like Bush/Gore then what Trump says matters. He could force recounts in close states. Challenge voter roles. > > The press will need to use their right of discretion after the election. Every word that pours from the loser’s mouth isn’t newsworthy forever. Give Trump a couple weeks to whine and cry. Let him have his say. Then ignore him. The press decides every day which stories are worth covering. The National press has no obligation to cover Trump. Let the tabloids get in the mud with him. Trump can cry on twitter. Well, Trump gives a fuck about what he says post election. I think this is his goal – he figures there’s a good chance he’ll lose, and this gives him an excuse to call press conferences (“Will he finally concede? Tune in at ten to find out!”) In the I-should-know-but-don’t department, when does the EC meet? I’m thinking that’s the point at which this fucking election will actually be over. If there is a real effort to invalidate the voting results, the EC meeting will be postponed if necessary, right? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3079 "2016-10-20T17:35:03Z")
> [@Anny\_Middon](#): > > In the I-should-know-but-don’t department, when does the EC meet? I’m thinking that’s the point at which this fucking election will actually be over. If there is a real effort to invalidate the voting results, the EC meeting will be postponed if necessary, right? December 19th. We have a full on constitution crisis on our hands if there was enough fraud to significantly alter the election to the point where the EC vote would be delayed. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3080 "2016-10-20T17:41:19Z")
Trump just said at a rally that he would accept the results of the election "[if I win.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-accept-election-results_us_5808ef7fe4b0b994d4c50817?utm_hp_ref=donald-trump)"So much for those attempting to spin this. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3081 "2016-10-20T17:52:56Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > Trump just said at a rally that he would accept the results of the election "[if I win.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-accept-election-results_us_5808ef7fe4b0b994d4c50817?utm_hp_ref=donald-trump)"So much for those attempting to spin this. Trumps a “Heads I win, tails you lose” kinda guy. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3082 "2016-10-20T18:00:48Z")
> [@simster](#): > > whats this about Hillary getting questions ahead of time for a debate? (just watched 8 minutes of Trumps ‘Will accept if I win’ rally in Ohio - he went on and on about that). God only knows. Wallace said no one had the questions early although the broad topics were known (and widely reported on) days ago. I guess Clinton cheated by knowing stuff. Rigged! ---
**Author:** ![Anny\_Middon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3083 "2016-10-20T18:20:41Z")
After the Billy Bush Bus talk thing hit the news, I (and IIRC others here) was thinking the Clinton campaign would drop another turd into Trump’s punchbowl before the third debate. Tapes of him using the n-word were thought to perhaps be it. Obviously that hasn’t happened. But that may be a timing issue, where the campaign felt that dropping any new story just before the debate may be viewed as a negative for the Clinton campaign. But I was thinking – if they have something they’re holding and it’s not the n-word thing, what could it be? My guess is that some former girlfriend will come forward to say that Trump financed an abortion for her, with some kind of corroborating evidence (i.e., a copy of a cancelled check from Trump to the doctor). OK, I guess I’m just fantasizing here… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=153) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=155)