# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 164
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2016, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3264 "2016-10-22T14:09:46Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > It has nothing at all to do with class. It’s pragmatism. > > I don’t understand what is so confusing about the Republican establishment continuing to endorse Trump, albeit unenthusiastically. They consider Trump to be as buffoonish as most everyone else with a brain, but one they could control once elected. Trump’s presidency would be titular with the real power distributed among various members of Congress. They believe they would be getting another Dubya in Trump but one who cared even less about the details and with little desire to actually perform the functions of President. > > Trump is not very well informed and does not care to be. He just wants to be king, which is just fine with the Republican establishment. Let him be king while others actually run things. Thing is, they can’t even control him now. What makes them think they could control him if he were elected President? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2016, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3265 "2016-10-22T14:18:42Z")
> [@soonerblue](#): > > My cranky auntie says - 'the poor boy just wants to be loved. He craves attention and will say anything to draw the adoring crowds, doesn’t matter if they’re deplorable, they love him and cheer him. He probably only said those awful things on that bus, and to that radio guy (Stern), just so they’d accept him as one of the guys. I heard that he has no close friends." > > BTW - she’s 80, and voting for Hillary. Your cranky aunt is a perceptive lady. However, feeling sorry for someone is never a good reason to elect someone to the most powerful position in the free world. Hillary must be wondering why this is even a contest. I think he has a learning disability, personally; it’s not just that he doesn’t read, he probably actually can’t or has comprehension problems. He’s a fake Rolex rly peddler with a boiling dollar bank account. His lack of intelligence on anything related to government is embarrassingly obvious, especially compared to the witty and intelligent man who currently holds the office of President. Trump would definitely be a HYUUUGE step backwards. He makes George W Bush seem like a scholar by comparison. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2016, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3266 "2016-10-22T15:09:05Z")
Remember way back when it was assumed that Trump was just running to increase the value of his brand? New Trump properties will [no longer be named “Trump”](http://www.travelandleisure.com/hotels-resorts/trump-scion-hotels) but rather “Scion” amidst falling occupancy rates. Maybe making your name poison to everyone except white men without college educations isn’t the best way to market luxury hotels. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2016, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3267 "2016-10-22T15:16:49Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > That’s enough, right there. > > Everyone remain civil. Clearly, the US electoral system needs a moderator-in-chief. I nominate **Jonathan** for the position. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2016, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3268 "2016-10-22T15:35:34Z")
Michael Steele, former RNC chair, won’t be voting for Trump. Neither will four other former RNC chairs. [http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/michael-steele-no-support-trump-230138](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/michael-steele-no-support-trump-230138) > [@](#): > > Steele said Trump has “captured the racist underbelly, that frustration, that angry underbelly of American life and gave voice to that,” according to BuzzFeed. > > “I was damn near puking during the debates,” Steele said. ---
**Author:** ![Anny\_Middon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2016, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3269 "2016-10-22T16:20:45Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > In my state (FL) voter’s registered party affiliation is public info readily available to all parties. > > A such I doubt it makes a lot of sense for one party to call known adherents of the other party. As a sample size of one, I’ve received several GOTV callers from the Ds and zero from the Rs. I’ve also stopped answering calls from out of state numbers, most of which leave no message, so I may be leaving data about GOTV efforts on the floor. > > FL also has a plurality of folks who choose not to register a party affiliation. I’d bet those folk’s phones are ringing constantly from both sides. > > Is any of this applicable to you in IL? (I tried to answer this yesterday, but I was on my Surface and after I’d written 90% of my reply, somehow I lost it.) Illinois has open primaries. I think they record which ballot you accept. I have voted in the Republican primary at times – my county (Dupage) used to be so Republican that the Dems often didn’t field a candidate in some local elections that in order to have a choice I felt I had to vote in the Pub primary. At any rate, after the first time I voted in the Pub primary I started to get USPS mail from GOP candidates. I voted in the Pub primary this year, too – solely so that I could vote against Trump. (It was a pretty good bet that both Clinton and Duckworth would win the Dem primary.) However the only mail the household has gotten so far from the Pubs is 2-3 pieces from Trump that were addressed to my mother. I had my mother’s mailing address changed to mine after she died in 2010. She was registered to vote in Cook County, not Dupage, so apparently whoever coordinates the mailings wasn’t cross-referencing their list (clearly quite old) with voter registrations. When I’ve worked phones for Clinton, the list was entirely supporters and the main objectives were to assure the person would actually vote (we have info on early voting locations if needed) and (I think more importantly) to ask people to volunteer. On Thursday evening, we were asking for people to go to Iowa to knock on doors. The Duckworth campaign has different objectives for its phone bank. We called people all over Illinois, and the list was I believe based on registered voters. I had a number of people hang up on me. I did get some robocalls before the primary. I have received only one call for the general election – and that was from the Dems about volunteering again (I had also volunteered for Obama in 2012). ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2016, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3270 "2016-10-22T16:27:29Z")
> [@](#): > > Steele said Trump has “captured the racist underbelly, that frustration, that angry underbelly of American life and gave voice to that,” according to BuzzFeed. > > “I was damn near puking during the debates,” Steele said. If he was “damn near puking”, imaging the guy who has his old job. Reince Priebus is probably curled up in a fetal position sobbing uncontrollably by now. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2016, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3271 "2016-10-22T16:33:43Z")
No, by this time of day, he’s probably up and about, putting Baileys on his cornflakes. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2016, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3272 "2016-10-22T16:53:58Z")
Trump, in Gettysburg PA today, vowed to sue all the women accusing him of sexual misconduct. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2016, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3273 "2016-10-22T17:06:08Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Trump, in Gettysburg PA today, vowed to sue all the women accusing him of sexual misconduct. Along with suing the press, Trump U. and the 13 year old, it sounds like The Donald will spend most of his term in court. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2016, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3274 "2016-10-22T17:09:35Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > I believe he did speak at the Republican convention. Has he been on Dancing With The Stars yet? Celebrity Rehab? Hollywood Squares? In any event, he’s surely a thought leader in the conservative movement. Years ago, [Bobcat Goldthwait warned us](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEgzSjWNCYs). But did we listen? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2016, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3275 "2016-10-22T17:13:59Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Along with suing the press, Trump U. and the 13 year old, it sounds like The Donald will spend most of his term in court. > > 😃 Maybe he realises that he might have time on his hands, come November 9th. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2016, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3276 "2016-10-22T17:54:26Z")
; > [@Anny\_Middon](#): > > At any rate, after the first time I voted in the Pub primary I started to get USPS mail from GOP candidates. I am not getting squat from either, though I took a Pub ballot one primary to vote against someone. We need a Dupage Dope. It can be you, me, and **Dinsdale**. And if you are in his district, vote for Steve Swanson for state rep. His wife will thank you because he’s been at loose ends since he retired as my pastor and there are only so many protests at McDonalds HQ to get arrested at. ETA: Wife hated everything Henry Hyde was about, but she kept voting for him because he brought home the pork. You can take the girl out of Chicago, but… ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2016, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3277 "2016-10-22T18:34:01Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > …Ryan is utterly fucked, even his mild condemnation without endorsement withdrawal has totally fucked him. After Trump loses and he lays the blame on those who “betrayed” him his political career is over… I disagree. Ryan can probably still get reelected in his Wisconsin district, when/if Trump loses, and his colleagues in the House GOP will understand what a fine line he had to walk. I agree Ryan’s presidential prospects in 2020 or beyond are poor, given how many pissed-off GOP primary and caucus voters there will be, but he might remain Speaker for quite awhile longer. > [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Clearly, the US electoral system needs a moderator-in-chief. > > I nominate **Jonathan** for the position. 🙂 Seconded! > [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Maybe he realises that he might have time on his hands, come November 9th. Ahem. His _short-fingered_ hands. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2016, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3278 "2016-10-22T18:42:57Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Remember way back when it was assumed that Trump was just running to increase the value of his brand? > > New Trump properties will [no longer be named “Trump”](http://www.travelandleisure.com/hotels-resorts/trump-scion-hotels) but rather “Scion” amidst falling occupancy rates. > > Maybe making your name poison to everyone except white men without college educations isn’t the best way to market luxury hotels. That’s hysterical. Damn, let’s shift the focus to the trump offspring! nothing wrong with them! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2016, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3279 "2016-10-22T18:46:44Z")
[Anything said about me, by me or by my surrogates, should not be held against me.](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/10/21/trump-university-lawsuit-motion/92526538/) > [@](#): > > When it comes to the Trump University lawsuit, Donald Trump’s attorneys believe what happens on the presidential campaign trail, stays on the presidential campaign trail. > > Trump’s lawyers filed a motion in federal court Thursday to “exclude certain statements by or about Donald Trump.” Those include things he said in his debates, speeches, and tweets. They also want to keep out anything his surrogates have said, anything that has come out about his taxes, “personal conduct accusations” and “comments about this case or the court.” > [@](#): > > “During the current Presidential campaign, Mr. Trump has been the focus of perhaps unprecedented media coverage and public interest,” Must suck when it bites you in the ass. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2016, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3280 "2016-10-22T19:10:29Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Trump, in Gettysburg PA today, vowed to sue all the women accusing him of sexual misconduct. He got off to a good start, opening his appearance with “It is my privilege to be here in Gettysburg, hallowed ground where so many lives were given in service to freedom — amazing place.” He’s aware of the special place Gettysburg has in American history. Then he went on to whine of an unfair media and say that all those women were lying just to hurt his campaign. Ah, the Party of Lincoln. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/22/in-historic-gettysburg-lincoln-spoke-of-unity-trump-complained-of-a-rigged-system/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/22/in-historic-gettysburg-lincoln-spoke-of-unity-trump-complained-of-a-rigged-system/) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2016, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3281 "2016-10-22T19:22:26Z")
[Trump’s 28-Point Policy Plan](http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=125980126) is a real howler. It starts off with the ridiculous premise that he can get all this done in the first 100 days. I especially like “Cancel every unconstitutional executive action, memorandum and order issued by President Obama”, “Direct the Secretary of Commerce and U.S. Trade Representative to identify all foreign trading abuses that unfairly impact American workers and direct them to use every tool under American and international law to end those abuses immediately” and “Propose a Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress”(good luck getting THAT one out of committee, Trumpy!). ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2016, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3282 "2016-10-22T19:25:41Z")
> [@Lacunae\_Matata](#): > > Re: what’s wrong with Trump. > > I have a probably-ridiculous theory, based on just enough medical knowledge to be totally-not-a-doctor. > > At some point, I heard rumors about Trump’s use of prescription amphetamines for weight control. Okay, pretty common medical practice years ago, and not unheard-of today. (And I understand that reputable doctors monitor such things carefully. I’m not saying that it’s inappropriate in the right context.) But the only medical information I’ve seen about Trump lately has come from Dr. Feelgood, who wrote the memorable release on Donald’s stunning physical condition a few months ago. It seems possible that the man who wrote such a weird medical history for his patient might also be a little cavalier in his prescribing methods. > > Based on no solid facts - I readily admit - I started to assume that Trump used amphetamines for weight control, for many years. Maybe decades. But wait. Aren’t amphetamines commonly used to treat ADD/ADHD? Was that medication accidentally treating a real, if undiagnosed issue? And allowing Trump to function in business - maybe not perfectly, but well enough to keep up the facade? > > And was it discontinued as the campaign heated up? The symptoms of amphetamine withdrawal can include irritability, mood swings, sensory misperceptions, etc. Right up to psychosis. And weight gain. Dehydration. (How much water did Donald drink during the first debate?) > > Throw in a heaping helping of narcissism, and it adds up to the strange man who is campaigning for the presidency. > > But that’s just my stupid theory. That would make a great episode of House, M.D.: Chase- House, I know we have discovered Trump’s inadvertent self-medicating for his ADHD, but I don’t think we should tell him or treat him. Hippocratic oath be damned, but we have bigger things to worry about than one man’s mental health! Cameron- I can’t believe you! Has House completely corrupted your moral compass?!? Trump is our _patient_. We have a duty to that, outside consequences be damned. Chase- What? You think we should give Trump a treatment that will help him win the election? What happens after that? We’ll probably all get nuked by ISIS, after giving Texas away to the Russians. Cameron- You sound more like a politician than a doctor. Trump is a _human being_! Why don’t you have any compassion?!? Chase- Wot? I’m a human being, too. So are you. 300 million human beings have to live with the consequences of what we decide to do with this differential diagnosis. House- Now now, you two. Why don’t you just go have sex and make up and be nice again? Cameron and Chase [in unison]- WE JUST _HAD_ SEX! ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2016, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3283 "2016-10-22T19:37:14Z")
Yes, Donald go ahead and sue all of your accusers. Discovery alone will entertain millions. Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=163) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=165)