# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 172
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3424 "2016-10-24T18:37:41Z")
> [@Finagle](#): > > I’m rather dismayed by the number of white males who went to college, learned something about critical thinking, theoretically have some understanding of the nature of government, and still believe Trump is qualified to hold the job. Even being charitable and assuming that they’re in it for the Supreme Court nominations, there has to be a point where you pull the plug on a candidate who spends his 3AM hours generating tweets with a fourth grade vocabulary. The charitable interpretation is just part of the complex of reasons they might support Trump even if they should know better – they might also be racists, sovereign-citizen government-hating types just looking for disruption, etc. Education tends to mitigate those things but it doesn’t necessarily cure them. > [@CarnalK](#): > > Well wolfpup, 29% of the stupid white men are voting Hillary and the smart white guys are evenly split at 42, all according to your numbers. So I guess those 3 years of college ended up making only 13% of those dudes actually smarter, right? Bad math. You’re looking at the Hillary column but not the Trump column. Instead of putting your own spin on it, just look at the “Clinton-Trump diff.” in the last four lines. As said, many factors contribute to supporting one or the other, but from the summary column, it appears that, all else being equal, college education increases the Hillary leaning by 31 points among white men, and 41 points among white women. That’s yuuuuuge! Education is the best factor! It’s the best, believe me. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3425 "2016-10-24T18:41:11Z")
> [@Finagle](#): > > I’m rather dismayed by the number of white males who went to college, learned something about critical thinking, theoretically have some understanding of the nature of government, and still believe Trump is qualified to hold the job. Yeah, that puzzles me too. Minorities and college-educated women are saving the country. Seems appropriate somehow. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3426 "2016-10-24T18:44:42Z")
@wolfpup: A 31 point change is 15.5% switching allegiance, i.e. “getting smart”. So my math isn’t so bad actually just thrown off a little by some of the smart guys going Johnson. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3427 "2016-10-24T18:50:10Z")
Actual _smart guys_ going for Johnson is a vanishingly small fraction of Johnson supporters – in fact, I submit that supporting Johnson impeaches a person’s fair claim to being “smart”. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3428 "2016-10-24T18:54:20Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Do you really think an Art History major learns much about the nature of government in university? Even an Art History major learns something about critical thinking and how to weigh evidence for and against a position. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3429 "2016-10-24T18:57:10Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Even an Art History major learns something about critical thinking and how to weigh evidence for and against a position. Could’ve fooled me. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3430 "2016-10-24T19:08:35Z")
Well that was a needless shot but I still think that Hillary’s better numbers among college educated has very little to do with the critical thinking and government function knowledge that they all picked up at school. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3431 "2016-10-24T19:23:07Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Well that’s the blindspot. Do you really think an Art History major learns much about the nature of government in university? Most people who get smarter in college do so in a pretty narrow field. The students may gain their _primary expertise_ in a narrow field, but universities stress breadth of learning, especially in the more junior years – the art history major will be taking a science course, the science major will take a Shakespeare course, etc. So even the art major will be less likely to be a global warming denier, and even the business-school graduate is less likely to be a boorish philistine, and with any luck both are less likely to vote for a bloviating demagogue. > [@CarnalK](#): > > Well that was a needless shot but I still think that Hillary’s better numbers among college educated has very little to do with the critical thinking and government function knowledge that they all picked up at school. There may also be some element of correlation rather than causation there – the kinds of people motivated and able to attend and graduate from university perhaps helping to define the demographic as well as what they learn there. ---
**Author:** ![purplehearingaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@purplehearingaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehearingaid)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3432 "2016-10-24T19:32:52Z")
I know a woman that college educated and there no way in HELL she going to vote for Hillary and there will college educated voting for Trump .He still GOP in office that voting for him. I voted early today and I voted for the “Such a nasty lady”. There was no one else to really vote for I was stuck with her. I wish Joe Biden had ran ! ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3433 "2016-10-24T19:36:47Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Could’ve fooled me. Maybe you should have taken Art History.😉 ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3434 "2016-10-24T19:38:01Z")
I’d be interested to see how many of non-degreed voters are in rural areas. I think many here are overemphasizing the level of education. I’d bet anything that non-degreed urban voters lean heavily toward Hillary. Where and how people live has a lot bigger impact on their political views than their level of education. ---
**Author:** ![Anny\_Middon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3435 "2016-10-24T20:09:19Z")
[Trump says he’s winning.](http://fortune.com/2016/10/24/donald-trump-phony-polls-winning/) > [@](#): > > In public, the New York billionaire is having none of that talk. He lashed out at the media Monday for promoting “phony polls” during a round table discussion with Florida farmers gathered next to a local pumpkin patch. > > “We’re winning this race. I really believe we are winning,” Trump told the farmers, baskets of gourds, bales of hay and corn stalks behind him. Sounds like he’s in position to ask the Great Pumpkin to make him POTUS. ---
**Author:** ![Anny\_Middon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3436 "2016-10-24T20:12:55Z")
[Trump got $17 million for damage no one really remembers](http://fortune.com/2016/10/24/donald-trump-hurricane-payout-mar-a-lago/) What’s the penalty in Florida for insurance fraud? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3437 "2016-10-24T20:24:23Z")
> [@Maastricht](#): > > Do you think he actually would have paid her ? :dubious: “Her work was very poor. Very bad. Didn’t give me what I needed. Sad.” ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3438 "2016-10-24T21:00:41Z")
This election has not divided the US. What I am surprised to learn is that the United States was already SO divided. And is full of so many Racist, misogynic asses. As Soon as Trump won the GOP ticket, it was clear that there was only one way to go to beat him. HRC does not thrill me, but is a much better choice than Trump. Actually, the more I see of HRC, the more I like her. Heh. I wrote, ‘choice’ above. Trump is not a choice. He’s ridiculous. That this isn’t obvious stuns me. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3439 "2016-10-24T21:09:09Z")
Well, don’t get complacent. As my father mentioned this weekend “Remember Jessie”. Jesse Ventura was running third for Governor between two very unpopular politicians. He was something like 8 points behind either of them going into election day. And then people like me, in the voting booth, said “Oh well, I can’t win, so I’ll vote for him” and he won. We need everyone with any level of sanity to get out to vote for Clinton, or like Brexit, there’s a very real chance Trump could win. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3440 "2016-10-24T21:10:26Z")
Like Brexit? I think yo’ll find if it was rerun the majority would be a lot clearer. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3441 "2016-10-24T21:19:23Z")
[Donald Trump doesn’t need to grope women, because he’s one of the handsomest billionaires who have ever lived.](http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/wayne-allyn-root-trump-never-groped-women-because-hes-one-of-the-handsomest-billionaires-thats-ever-lived/) ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3442 "2016-10-24T21:24:01Z")
Yes it’s exactly like Brexit cuz people are voting and stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Peanut\_Gallery](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/838e76/32.png) [@Peanut\_Gallery](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peanut_Gallery)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3443 "2016-10-24T21:34:08Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Two weeks to go. Anyone think the media’ll try to make this a horse race one last time? > “TRUMP SURGES TO WITHIN 2 POINTS OF CLINTON” > > “TRUMP: LAST-MINUTE LEAD IN SWING STATES” > > etc. etc. At least two sources are living in the real world. Fun headlines today: [Donald Trump’s chances of winning are approaching zero](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/24/donald-trumps-chances-of-winning-are-approaching-zero/) [Trump’s window is closing](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/clinton-trump-election-countdown-polls-230212) We’ve finally discovered how bad a campaign must look for the media to openly acknowledge it. Last week I think Krugman said: we may have moved from horse race coverage to Trump disaster porn. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=171) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=173)