# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 173
**Author:** ![tim314](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim314/32/3468_2.png) [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3444 "2016-10-24T21:36:16Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > This election has not divided the US. What I am surprised to learn is that the United States was already SO divided. And is full of so many Racist, misogynic asses. I try to comfort myself by remembering that not all Trump supporters are necessarily racists and misogynists. For instance, some of them are just willing to _work with_ racist misogynists if that’s what it takes to turn America into the theocracy they want it to be. This is . . . perhaps not as comforting as I would have hoped.☹ ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3445 "2016-10-24T21:45:00Z")
Theocracy, free-fire zone for corporate power, tax-free Libertarian paradise, authoritarian police state. It doesn’t matter which Glorious goal any given voter wants. Getting the racist misogynists on board can only speed the day when their Paradise comes to pass. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3446 "2016-10-24T22:29:42Z")
Eric Trump and the campaign[gets _trolled_ bigly.](https://www.yahoo.com/style/why-this-latina-contra-trump-shirt-represents-a-bigger-statement-about-trump-and-millennial-latinas-182621344.html) > [@](#): > > So taking a marker to a white T-shirt, Annie Cardelle wrote “Latina Contra Trump” — or “Latina Against Trump.” In case you’re not up on your high-school Spanish, “contra,” like “contrary” in English, does not imply an affinity for something. Then, off she and her sister went. > > Although she initially wore a sweater over her homemade statement tee, Annie Cardelle nervously removed the sweater halfway through Eric Trump’s speech — but no one seemed to notice the message her shirt was putting out there. > > At the end of the event, though, the sisters were shocked when Eric and his wife, Lara, beckoned the two forward and let them snap a picture. > > “I couldn’t wrap my brain around it,” Ceci Cardelle told BuzzFeed News, “so I just stood there and smiled.” > > Added Ceci to BuzzFeed News, “We were kind of in disbelief that no one understood this protest. It really goes to show the lack of diversity in their team.” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3447 "2016-10-24T22:38:50Z")
_Que lastima! Dos chicas esta en las t-shirts contra pendejo_! ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3448 "2016-10-24T22:45:14Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > _Que lastima! Dos chicas esta en las t-shirts contra pendejo_! Don’t try to fool us. We know that [_pendejo_](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2G3x0CF74I) means “my real good friend.” ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3449 "2016-10-24T22:50:21Z")
Oh my goodness. The hysterical hyperbole doesn’t stop even if the ol Harpy has it all sewn up. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3450 "2016-10-24T22:55:38Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Oh my goodness. The hysterical hyperbole doesn’t stop even if the ol Harpy has it all sewn up. If you’re against hysterical hyperbole, maybe you shouldn’t refer to Clinton as an “ol Harpy.” But it appears you’re only against hysterical hyperbole from one side. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3451 "2016-10-24T23:00:22Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > If you’re against hysterical hyperbole, maybe you shouldn’t refer to Clinton as an “ol Harpy.” But it appears you’re only against hysterical hyperbole from one side. Ol Harpy is the disparaging comment that gets your attention? What about the non-stop disparaging comments made about Trump’s appearance, his mannerisms, and his supporters? Why say nothing about that? I don’t like the lack of decorum from either side. But this board seems to have no problem tolerating jackassery directed towards Republicans or their nominees. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3452 "2016-10-24T23:08:45Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Ol Harpy is the disparaging comment that gets your attention? What about the non-stop disparaging comments made about Trump’s appearance, his mannerisms, and his supporters? Why say nothing about that? > > I don’t like the lack of decorum from either side. But this board seems to have no problem tolerating jackassery directed towards Republicans or their nominees. So your answer to that is to do the same thing. I’m not complaining about you calling her an “ol Harpy.” I’m calling you on complaining about hysterical hyperbole and _then_ calling her an “ol Harpy.” ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3453 "2016-10-24T23:27:32Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > So your answer to that is to do the same thing. > > I’m not complaining about you calling her an “ol Harpy.” I’m calling you on complaining about hysterical hyperbole and _then_ calling her an “ol Harpy.” Fair enough. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3454 "2016-10-24T23:58:57Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Ok, then the demographic is “ignorant white men.” Actually, non college educated white women are going for Trump too, by a 9 point margin. So non college educated whites in general are pro-Trump. Another interesting tidbit, although solely of academic significance, is that yet another poll shows Gary Johnson doing better among Hispanics than any other group. Given how much that demographic is growing, the LP would be wise to make note of their appeal among Latino voters. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3455 "2016-10-25T00:12:23Z")
Er, I am sure that this has already been noted, but… [http://www.trump.tv/](http://www.trump.tv/) ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3456 "2016-10-25T00:20:22Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Er, I am sure that this has already been noted, but… > > [http://www.trump.tv/](http://www.trump.tv/) So? ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3457 "2016-10-25T00:23:33Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > So? So the owner of the domain that Trump neglected to purchase has allegedly been threatened with legal action. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3458 "2016-10-25T00:45:39Z")
Dear lord, this is internet 101. What’s wrong with that team? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3459 "2016-10-25T00:56:39Z")
> [@Mighty\_Girl](#): > > Dear lord, this is internet 101. > > What’s wrong with that team? He hires the _best._ 😛 ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3460 "2016-10-25T01:08:39Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Actually, non college educated white women are going for Trump too, by a 9 point margin. So non college educated whites in general are pro-Trump. Which, obviously, highlights republican opposition to education in general and college loan subsidies in particular. > [@](#): > > Another interesting tidbit, although solely of academic significance, is that yet another poll shows Gary Johnson doing better among Hispanics than any other group. Given how much that demographic is growing, the LP would be wise to make note of their appeal among Latino voters. [This page suggests](http://brandongaille.com/26-important-libertarian-demographics/) that that assertion may be problematic, as a large segment of the Hispanic/Latino demographic tends to reject those labels in the first place. More amusing, from that page, > [@](#): > > The percentage of Libertarians who believe that corporations are making too much profit today: 46% I am not clear how that can mesh. The basic libertarian ethos is _Hands Off, let the market police itself_. To do something to curb corporate profits would be very difficult while hewing to the mantra of _freedom_. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3461 "2016-10-25T01:14:26Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > He hires the _best._ > 😛 One would think that anyone competent at running a major political web campaign knows how to use Google and find out if the person wanting to hire them pays their bills. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3462 "2016-10-25T01:19:49Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > I am not clear how that can mesh. The basic libertarian ethos is _Hands Off, let the market police itself_. To do something to curb corporate profits would be very difficult while hewing to the mantra of _freedom_. It’s kinda like abortion, you can disapprove of it without supporting laws against it. Although being a libertarian doesn’t mean opposing all regulation or taxation, it just indicates a great deal of skepticism towards such things. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3463 "2016-10-25T01:20:48Z")
So, the [Telegraph](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/24/exclusive-investigation-donald-trump-faces-foreign-donor-fundrai/) decided to play a sting operation on both the Trump and Clinton campaigns and PACS: Posing as representatives of a Chinese investor, they approach both campaigns with an open desire to funnel $2 million Chinese dollars into the Presidential election. Which is against the law. All of the Clinton organizations didn’t bother to return the calls/messages. [The Great America PAC](http://www.fec.gov/fecviewer/CandidateCommitteeDetail.do?candidateCommitteeId=C00608489&tabIndex=1), a pro-Trump PAC which has spent over $10 million in advertising, did: > [@](#): > > Senior figures involved with the Great America PAC, one of the leading “independent” groups organising television advertisements and grassroots support for the Republican nominee, sought to channel $2 million from a Chinese donor into the campaign to elect the billionaire despite laws prohibiting donations from foreigners. > > In return, undercover reporters purporting to represent the fictitious donor were assured that he would obtain “influence” if Mr Trump made it to the White House. > > Last week Eric Beach, the PAC’s co-chairman, confirmed to the reporters at an event in Las Vegas that their client’s support would be “remembered” if Mr Trump became president. > > … > > In an initial call on October 4 the reporter explained that the benefactor wanted to donate to support Mr Trump’s campaign, “but he’s not a US national.” > > Mr Beach (PAC co-chair) agreed that making such a donation to the PAC could be difficult. But he did, however, have a suggestion involving a 501(c)(4) – a tax-exempt “social welfare organisation” – which he described as a “non-disclose entity” through which the client could make a contribution for a “specific purpose”. > > … > > A PAC with a “sister” 501(c)(4) could therefore encourage donors to give to that body. The 501(c)(4) could then contribute to the PAC, or simply spend the money on a project that the group would otherwise have funded. > > … > > Discussing how the money would be spent on pro-Trump grassroots campaigning as well as television advertising, (Jesse Benton, sr. exec at PAC until last May) warned: “You shouldn’t put any of this on paper.” > > He suggested that the $2 million paid to his firm could be billed simply as “a large retainer” for consulting work. He then sent a $2 million invoice, for the sake of “appearances”, for his services providing “analysis of the American political and business landscape”. > > In one of a series of telephone conversations over a two-week period, he explained that the work, which “doesn’t cost any money” apart from a “couple hours of my time” would be reports on the spending of the 501(c)(4)s and PAC. This has nothing to do with the Trump campaign - the PAC is independent. But remember all those emails to foreign leaders that were “oops!” sent last June? Looks like a few of them landed some whales. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=172) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=174)